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Posted to dev@apex.apache.org by Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com> on 2017/02/02 00:43:34 UTC
[DISCUSS] Tweets from ApacheApex handle
I want to see what the community feels about posting tweets on ApacheApex
handle. My thoughts are that the committers should have the right to post a
tweek on ApacheApex. For contributors and anyone else, we could have a
mechanism where they request it on dev@apex.apache.org and a committer can
help out. In essence we treat tweet same as code. I would expect committers
to ensure that the tweet is related to Apex, I believe that will more or
less remain true.
Aside from this, I think the release-manager should be expected to post
release tweets on ApacheApex handle.
Thoughts?
Thks
Amol
Re: [DISCUSS] Tweets from ApacheApex handle
Posted by Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com>.
Thomas,
The proposal is for credentials to remain in PMC, and in-effect committers
sending a request to tweet. Here some relevant advice on do's and don'ts
from ASF for social media. I have pasted it as is.
- Feel free to share stories about your project, whether they come from
the community, tech press, or folks outside of the press and community.
Avoid sharing negative stories about "competing" projects.
- Keep posts/reposts relevant to your project community and technology.
Most people love LOLCats, but it's probably best not to share them from
your project's social media accounts.
- Please share event information so long as it's related directly to
your project. Promoting an event where there are talks about CloudStack
(for example) is spot-on. Promoting an event only because a vendor that has
an interest in CloudStack is participating would be outside the scope of
CloudStack social media accoun
So lets say we find a vendor/customer/someone saying "I used Apex for ...;
here is my use case; .. Apex worked for me"; Or a blog on some nuances of
Apex. These are stories about Apex, why would we not want to tweet/retweet
these? For adoption of Apex, it is good for everyone to know about such
stories. Moreover it is enpowering for committers to know that they can be
eyes-ears of Apex stories.
Thks,
Amol
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> The link that I provided gives context about how projects overall work. I
> find that useful to understand before embarking into further discussion.
> And I also found some more guidance regarding social media activity:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/socialmedia
>
> My preference is that the handle will only tweet official communication
> from the PMC. I looked at a number of other projects that may serve as good
> role models and found that to be the case also.
>
> For retweets, we should probably come up with similar guidelines as for
> listing events, including clean representation of Apache Apex as project,
> vendor neutrality, unrelated to commercial interests.
>
> Thomas
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Pramod Immaneni <pr...@datatorrent.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I prefer option 2 at least till there is a critical mass of social
> activity
> > and awareness happening outside around apex that we don't need to tweet
> > actively on the community page.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thomas,
> > > The discussion is not about handle being operated outside PMC. It is
> > > perfectly fine to have handle credentials accessible to only PMC
> > members. I
> > > started this discussion to get Apex community opinion on guidelines on
> > what
> > > gets tweeted. The ASF does not have a formal guideline on twitter. So
> far
> > > there are two proposals
> > >
> > > 1. Only do release tweets, and do retweet of tweets on individual
> handle
> > by
> > > requesting PMC on dev@; no special consideration to committers
> > > 2. Have a more open policy on original tweets, and in addition retweet
> of
> > > tweets on individual handle by request PMC on dev@; take up
> committer's
> > > request as semi-binding.
> > >
> > > In #1, the release-tweets are clear, so nothing else go through. In #2
> > PMC
> > > member can do a trust-but-verify that the tweet is relevant to Apex;
> > which
> > > makes is semi-binding, not binding.
> > >
> > > Thks,
> > > Amol
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:34 PM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Note this is follow-up from a previous discussion on the PMC list.
> > > >
> > > > I think the decision on activity for the ApacheApex handle should be
> > with
> > > > the PMC and the handle should be operated by PMC members.
> > > >
> > > > See http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html for more context
> > > about
> > > > roles and responsibilities.
> > > >
> > > > What gets posted on the handle should be evaluated with ASF hat on.
> > > >
> > > > I also think that direct tweets (read on for retweets) should be
> > > restricted
> > > > to official PMC communication (releases etc.). All other tweets
> should
> > > come
> > > > from individual handles. I like the idea of retweet suggestions on
> the
> > > dev@
> > > > list.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I want to see what the community feels about posting tweets on
> > > ApacheApex
> > > > > handle. My thoughts are that the committers should have the right
> to
> > > > post a
> > > > > tweek on ApacheApex. For contributors and anyone else, we could
> have
> > a
> > > > > mechanism where they request it on dev@apex.apache.org and a
> > committer
> > > > can
> > > > > help out. In essence we treat tweet same as code. I would expect
> > > > committers
> > > > > to ensure that the tweet is related to Apex, I believe that will
> more
> > > or
> > > > > less remain true.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aside from this, I think the release-manager should be expected to
> > post
> > > > > release tweets on ApacheApex handle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thks
> > > > > Amol
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Tweets from ApacheApex handle
Posted by Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>.
The link that I provided gives context about how projects overall work. I
find that useful to understand before embarking into further discussion.
And I also found some more guidance regarding social media activity:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/socialmedia
My preference is that the handle will only tweet official communication
from the PMC. I looked at a number of other projects that may serve as good
role models and found that to be the case also.
For retweets, we should probably come up with similar guidelines as for
listing events, including clean representation of Apache Apex as project,
vendor neutrality, unrelated to commercial interests.
Thomas
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Pramod Immaneni <pr...@datatorrent.com>
wrote:
> I prefer option 2 at least till there is a critical mass of social activity
> and awareness happening outside around apex that we don't need to tweet
> actively on the community page.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com> wrote:
>
> > Thomas,
> > The discussion is not about handle being operated outside PMC. It is
> > perfectly fine to have handle credentials accessible to only PMC
> members. I
> > started this discussion to get Apex community opinion on guidelines on
> what
> > gets tweeted. The ASF does not have a formal guideline on twitter. So far
> > there are two proposals
> >
> > 1. Only do release tweets, and do retweet of tweets on individual handle
> by
> > requesting PMC on dev@; no special consideration to committers
> > 2. Have a more open policy on original tweets, and in addition retweet of
> > tweets on individual handle by request PMC on dev@; take up committer's
> > request as semi-binding.
> >
> > In #1, the release-tweets are clear, so nothing else go through. In #2
> PMC
> > member can do a trust-but-verify that the tweet is relevant to Apex;
> which
> > makes is semi-binding, not binding.
> >
> > Thks,
> > Amol
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:34 PM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Note this is follow-up from a previous discussion on the PMC list.
> > >
> > > I think the decision on activity for the ApacheApex handle should be
> with
> > > the PMC and the handle should be operated by PMC members.
> > >
> > > See http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html for more context
> > about
> > > roles and responsibilities.
> > >
> > > What gets posted on the handle should be evaluated with ASF hat on.
> > >
> > > I also think that direct tweets (read on for retweets) should be
> > restricted
> > > to official PMC communication (releases etc.). All other tweets should
> > come
> > > from individual handles. I like the idea of retweet suggestions on the
> > dev@
> > > list.
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I want to see what the community feels about posting tweets on
> > ApacheApex
> > > > handle. My thoughts are that the committers should have the right to
> > > post a
> > > > tweek on ApacheApex. For contributors and anyone else, we could have
> a
> > > > mechanism where they request it on dev@apex.apache.org and a
> committer
> > > can
> > > > help out. In essence we treat tweet same as code. I would expect
> > > committers
> > > > to ensure that the tweet is related to Apex, I believe that will more
> > or
> > > > less remain true.
> > > >
> > > > Aside from this, I think the release-manager should be expected to
> post
> > > > release tweets on ApacheApex handle.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Thks
> > > > Amol
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Tweets from ApacheApex handle
Posted by Pramod Immaneni <pr...@datatorrent.com>.
I prefer option 2 at least till there is a critical mass of social activity
and awareness happening outside around apex that we don't need to tweet
actively on the community page.
Thanks
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com> wrote:
> Thomas,
> The discussion is not about handle being operated outside PMC. It is
> perfectly fine to have handle credentials accessible to only PMC members. I
> started this discussion to get Apex community opinion on guidelines on what
> gets tweeted. The ASF does not have a formal guideline on twitter. So far
> there are two proposals
>
> 1. Only do release tweets, and do retweet of tweets on individual handle by
> requesting PMC on dev@; no special consideration to committers
> 2. Have a more open policy on original tweets, and in addition retweet of
> tweets on individual handle by request PMC on dev@; take up committer's
> request as semi-binding.
>
> In #1, the release-tweets are clear, so nothing else go through. In #2 PMC
> member can do a trust-but-verify that the tweet is relevant to Apex; which
> makes is semi-binding, not binding.
>
> Thks,
> Amol
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:34 PM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Note this is follow-up from a previous discussion on the PMC list.
> >
> > I think the decision on activity for the ApacheApex handle should be with
> > the PMC and the handle should be operated by PMC members.
> >
> > See http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html for more context
> about
> > roles and responsibilities.
> >
> > What gets posted on the handle should be evaluated with ASF hat on.
> >
> > I also think that direct tweets (read on for retweets) should be
> restricted
> > to official PMC communication (releases etc.). All other tweets should
> come
> > from individual handles. I like the idea of retweet suggestions on the
> dev@
> > list.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I want to see what the community feels about posting tweets on
> ApacheApex
> > > handle. My thoughts are that the committers should have the right to
> > post a
> > > tweek on ApacheApex. For contributors and anyone else, we could have a
> > > mechanism where they request it on dev@apex.apache.org and a committer
> > can
> > > help out. In essence we treat tweet same as code. I would expect
> > committers
> > > to ensure that the tweet is related to Apex, I believe that will more
> or
> > > less remain true.
> > >
> > > Aside from this, I think the release-manager should be expected to post
> > > release tweets on ApacheApex handle.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Thks
> > > Amol
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Tweets from ApacheApex handle
Posted by Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com>.
Thomas,
The discussion is not about handle being operated outside PMC. It is
perfectly fine to have handle credentials accessible to only PMC members. I
started this discussion to get Apex community opinion on guidelines on what
gets tweeted. The ASF does not have a formal guideline on twitter. So far
there are two proposals
1. Only do release tweets, and do retweet of tweets on individual handle by
requesting PMC on dev@; no special consideration to committers
2. Have a more open policy on original tweets, and in addition retweet of
tweets on individual handle by request PMC on dev@; take up committer's
request as semi-binding.
In #1, the release-tweets are clear, so nothing else go through. In #2 PMC
member can do a trust-but-verify that the tweet is relevant to Apex; which
makes is semi-binding, not binding.
Thks,
Amol
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:34 PM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> Note this is follow-up from a previous discussion on the PMC list.
>
> I think the decision on activity for the ApacheApex handle should be with
> the PMC and the handle should be operated by PMC members.
>
> See http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html for more context about
> roles and responsibilities.
>
> What gets posted on the handle should be evaluated with ASF hat on.
>
> I also think that direct tweets (read on for retweets) should be restricted
> to official PMC communication (releases etc.). All other tweets should come
> from individual handles. I like the idea of retweet suggestions on the dev@
> list.
>
> Thomas
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com> wrote:
>
> > I want to see what the community feels about posting tweets on ApacheApex
> > handle. My thoughts are that the committers should have the right to
> post a
> > tweek on ApacheApex. For contributors and anyone else, we could have a
> > mechanism where they request it on dev@apex.apache.org and a committer
> can
> > help out. In essence we treat tweet same as code. I would expect
> committers
> > to ensure that the tweet is related to Apex, I believe that will more or
> > less remain true.
> >
> > Aside from this, I think the release-manager should be expected to post
> > release tweets on ApacheApex handle.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Thks
> > Amol
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Tweets from ApacheApex handle
Posted by Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>.
Note this is follow-up from a previous discussion on the PMC list.
I think the decision on activity for the ApacheApex handle should be with
the PMC and the handle should be operated by PMC members.
See http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html for more context about
roles and responsibilities.
What gets posted on the handle should be evaluated with ASF hat on.
I also think that direct tweets (read on for retweets) should be restricted
to official PMC communication (releases etc.). All other tweets should come
from individual handles. I like the idea of retweet suggestions on the dev@
list.
Thomas
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Amol Kekre <am...@datatorrent.com> wrote:
> I want to see what the community feels about posting tweets on ApacheApex
> handle. My thoughts are that the committers should have the right to post a
> tweek on ApacheApex. For contributors and anyone else, we could have a
> mechanism where they request it on dev@apex.apache.org and a committer can
> help out. In essence we treat tweet same as code. I would expect committers
> to ensure that the tweet is related to Apex, I believe that will more or
> less remain true.
>
> Aside from this, I think the release-manager should be expected to post
> release tweets on ApacheApex handle.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thks
> Amol
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Tweets from ApacheApex handle
Posted by Ashwin Chandra Putta <as...@gmail.com>.
+1 I strongly agree since the community is growing. As a community, we need
to be able to publish updates and relevant content to followers. All
committers having access to publish tweets makes community inclusive.
Regards,
Ashwin.
On Feb 1, 2017 4:43 PM, "Amol Kekre" <am...@datatorrent.com> wrote:
I want to see what the community feels about posting tweets on ApacheApex
handle. My thoughts are that the committers should have the right to post a
tweek on ApacheApex. For contributors and anyone else, we could have a
mechanism where they request it on dev@apex.apache.org and a committer can
help out. In essence we treat tweet same as code. I would expect committers
to ensure that the tweet is related to Apex, I believe that will more or
less remain true.
Aside from this, I think the release-manager should be expected to post
release tweets on ApacheApex handle.
Thoughts?
Thks
Amol