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Posted to dev@community.apache.org by siddharth srivastava <ak...@gmail.com> on 2012/08/11 17:40:03 UTC
When would Jira be up ?
Hi
I unable to access Jira for almost two days. At first it showed that
Jira is being indexed and it is 91% complete.
But since yesterday, it shows that Jira is under maintenance and now
even the network status page seems to be down[1].
Is it the same for everyone and is there any expected time when it
would be up again ?
[1]: https://monitoring.apache.org/status/
Thanks
--
Regards
Siddharth Srivastava
Re: When would Jira be up ?
Posted by siddharth srivastava <ak...@gmail.com>.
Hi
> The network status page [1] works for me, but it shows JIRA service in
> green while the actual JIRA site responds with "Maintenance in
> progress" web page.
>
> Best regards,
> Konstantin Kolinko
Thanks for the information. I am also able to access the network
status page now.
--
Regards
Siddharth Srivastava
Re: When would Jira be up ?
Posted by Jed Smith <je...@jedsmith.org>.
That policy applies to the private lists of PMCs, such as
libcloud-private. I do not believe in spirit that policy should apply
to committers@ -- and, it most likely doesn't. While committers@ is
indeed "private", it is not a PMC private list which I believe that
policy is discussing.
Infra is not violating anything. GSoC is obviously a special case, but
I'd assert that it's the responsibility of mentors to keep their
students aware of what is going on. Just don't quote committers@ to do
it, is the only rub.
Let's not get carried away going after Infra when there was a
breakdown of communication between a mentor and his student, they have
enough on their plate as it is.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Konstantin Kolinko
<kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/8/13 Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>:
>> I think there are two separate problems here,
>>
>> 1) Given that an update was sent to committers@, is it ok to quote it or
>> summarise it or mention its existence or non of the above
>>
>> 2) Where should updates be sent to
>>
>>
>> The latter is being debated on infra-dev@. The former I'm unhappy with
>> quoting a committers@ annoucement wholesale, that doesn't set a good
>> precedent for that (private) list.
>>
>
> There is a policy in ASF,
> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-naming-policy
>
> [quote]
> All PMCs SHALL restrict their communication on private mailing lists
> to only issues that cannot be discussed in public such as:
>
> Discussion of
>
> pre-disclosure security problems
>
> pre-agreement discussions with third parties that require
> confidentiality
>
> nominees for project, project committee or Foundation membership
>
> personal conflicts among project personnel
> [/quote]
>
> So I think that Infra members violate the above policy and abuse the
> committers list, in the cases when the information is none of the
> above. The main motivation, I suspect, is that subscription to that
> list is mandatory and it is the easiest way to distribute this
> information to the most of the target audience.
>
> I just point that committers are not the only users of ASF services.
> From community building point of view, it is bad to leave other
> contributors in the dark.
>
> This is not the first time when people ask on public dev@ lists and
> one has nowhere to point to publicly. I think if such announcements
> were dubbed by blog posts, it would solve the problem.
>
>
> I could reply to OP in my own words, but I thought that doing that
> will misrepresent the situation. My apologies.
>
> Best regards,
> Konstantin Kolinko
>
>> Katherine Marsden wrote on Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 07:39:49 -0700:
>>> On 8/11/2012 11:07 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>>> >Konstantin Kolinko wrote on Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 20:43:56 +0400:
>>> >>2
>>> >>The below is a quote from the e-mail that was sent to the committers@
>>> >>mailing list yesterday by Tony Stevenson of the Apache Infrastructure
>>> >>Team. I see that you are not an ASF committer, so you probably have
>>> >>not seen it.
>>> >Don't quote publicly stuff sent to private lists.
>>> >
>>> To what extent can/should committers communicate critical
>>> infrastructure updates to other contributors? Certainly it is
>>> important to everyone, (most critically right now to GSoC students
>>> like Siddharth who face the suggested pencils down date today). Is
>>> there a public place where non-committers can check for this
>>> information? I think http://monitoring.apache.org/status/ would be
>>> a great place to put this type of notice or just a note at the
>>> bottom of the emails that it is ok to share with affected dev groups
>>> would probably be ok.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> KAthey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
--
Jed Smith
jed@jedsmith.org
Re: When would Jira be up ?
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Konstantin Kolinko wrote on Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:31:57 +0400:
> 2012/8/13 Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>:
> > I think there are two separate problems here,
> >
> > 1) Given that an update was sent to committers@, is it ok to quote it or
> > summarise it or mention its existence or non of the above
> >
> > 2) Where should updates be sent to
> >
> >
> > The latter is being debated on infra-dev@. The former I'm unhappy with
> > quoting a committers@ annoucement wholesale, that doesn't set a good
> > precedent for that (private) list.
> >
>
> There is a policy in ASF,
> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-naming-policy
>
> [quote]
> All PMCs SHALL restrict their communication on private mailing lists
> to only issues that cannot be discussed in public such as:
> [/quote]
>
> So I think that Infra members violate the above policy and abuse the
> committers list, in the cases when the information is none of the
Infra is not a PMC.
If you have concerns with the operation of infra you're welcome to raise
them with the the infra team, VP Infrastructure, the President, or the
Board.
Re: When would Jira be up ?
Posted by Konstantin Kolinko <kn...@gmail.com>.
2012/8/13 Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>:
> I think there are two separate problems here,
>
> 1) Given that an update was sent to committers@, is it ok to quote it or
> summarise it or mention its existence or non of the above
>
> 2) Where should updates be sent to
>
>
> The latter is being debated on infra-dev@. The former I'm unhappy with
> quoting a committers@ annoucement wholesale, that doesn't set a good
> precedent for that (private) list.
>
There is a policy in ASF,
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-naming-policy
[quote]
All PMCs SHALL restrict their communication on private mailing lists
to only issues that cannot be discussed in public such as:
Discussion of
pre-disclosure security problems
pre-agreement discussions with third parties that require
confidentiality
nominees for project, project committee or Foundation membership
personal conflicts among project personnel
[/quote]
So I think that Infra members violate the above policy and abuse the
committers list, in the cases when the information is none of the
above. The main motivation, I suspect, is that subscription to that
list is mandatory and it is the easiest way to distribute this
information to the most of the target audience.
I just point that committers are not the only users of ASF services.
>From community building point of view, it is bad to leave other
contributors in the dark.
This is not the first time when people ask on public dev@ lists and
one has nowhere to point to publicly. I think if such announcements
were dubbed by blog posts, it would solve the problem.
I could reply to OP in my own words, but I thought that doing that
will misrepresent the situation. My apologies.
Best regards,
Konstantin Kolinko
> Katherine Marsden wrote on Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 07:39:49 -0700:
>> On 8/11/2012 11:07 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>> >Konstantin Kolinko wrote on Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 20:43:56 +0400:
>> >>2
>> >>The below is a quote from the e-mail that was sent to the committers@
>> >>mailing list yesterday by Tony Stevenson of the Apache Infrastructure
>> >>Team. I see that you are not an ASF committer, so you probably have
>> >>not seen it.
>> >Don't quote publicly stuff sent to private lists.
>> >
>> To what extent can/should committers communicate critical
>> infrastructure updates to other contributors? Certainly it is
>> important to everyone, (most critically right now to GSoC students
>> like Siddharth who face the suggested pencils down date today). Is
>> there a public place where non-committers can check for this
>> information? I think http://monitoring.apache.org/status/ would be
>> a great place to put this type of notice or just a note at the
>> bottom of the emails that it is ok to share with affected dev groups
>> would probably be ok.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> KAthey
>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: When would Jira be up ?
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
I think there are two separate problems here,
1) Given that an update was sent to committers@, is it ok to quote it or
summarise it or mention its existence or non of the above
2) Where should updates be sent to
The latter is being debated on infra-dev@. The former I'm unhappy with
quoting a committers@ annoucement wholesale, that doesn't set a good
precedent for that (private) list.
Katherine Marsden wrote on Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 07:39:49 -0700:
> On 8/11/2012 11:07 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> >Konstantin Kolinko wrote on Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 20:43:56 +0400:
> >>2
> >>The below is a quote from the e-mail that was sent to the committers@
> >>mailing list yesterday by Tony Stevenson of the Apache Infrastructure
> >>Team. I see that you are not an ASF committer, so you probably have
> >>not seen it.
> >Don't quote publicly stuff sent to private lists.
> >
> To what extent can/should committers communicate critical
> infrastructure updates to other contributors? Certainly it is
> important to everyone, (most critically right now to GSoC students
> like Siddharth who face the suggested pencils down date today). Is
> there a public place where non-committers can check for this
> information? I think http://monitoring.apache.org/status/ would be
> a great place to put this type of notice or just a note at the
> bottom of the emails that it is ok to share with affected dev groups
> would probably be ok.
>
> Thanks
>
> KAthey
>
>
>
>
Re: When would Jira be up ?
Posted by Katherine Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
On 8/11/2012 11:07 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> Konstantin Kolinko wrote on Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 20:43:56 +0400:
>> 2
>> The below is a quote from the e-mail that was sent to the committers@
>> mailing list yesterday by Tony Stevenson of the Apache Infrastructure
>> Team. I see that you are not an ASF committer, so you probably have
>> not seen it.
> Don't quote publicly stuff sent to private lists.
>
To what extent can/should committers communicate critical infrastructure
updates to other contributors? Certainly it is important to everyone,
(most critically right now to GSoC students like Siddharth who face the
suggested pencils down date today). Is there a public place where
non-committers can check for this information? I think
http://monitoring.apache.org/status/ would be a great place to put this
type of notice or just a note at the bottom of the emails that it is ok
to share with affected dev groups would probably be ok.
Thanks
KAthey
Re: When would Jira be up ?
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Konstantin Kolinko wrote on Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 20:43:56 +0400:
> 2012/8/11 siddharth srivastava <ak...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi
> >
> > I unable to access Jira for almost two days. At first it showed that
> > Jira is being indexed and it is 91% complete.
> > But since yesterday, it shows that Jira is under maintenance and now
> > even the network status page seems to be down[1].
> > Is it the same for everyone and is there any expected time when it
> > would be up again ?
> >
> >
> > [1]: https://monitoring.apache.org/status/
>
> Yes, it is the same for everybody.
>
> The below is a quote from the e-mail that was sent to the committers@
> mailing list yesterday by Tony Stevenson of the Apache Infrastructure
> Team. I see that you are not an ASF committer, so you probably have
> not seen it.
Don't quote publicly stuff sent to private lists.
Re: When would Jira be up ?
Posted by Konstantin Kolinko <kn...@gmail.com>.
2012/8/11 siddharth srivastava <ak...@gmail.com>:
> Hi
>
> I unable to access Jira for almost two days. At first it showed that
> Jira is being indexed and it is 91% complete.
> But since yesterday, it shows that Jira is under maintenance and now
> even the network status page seems to be down[1].
> Is it the same for everyone and is there any expected time when it
> would be up again ?
>
>
> [1]: https://monitoring.apache.org/status/
Yes, it is the same for everybody.
The below is a quote from the e-mail that was sent to the committers@
mailing list yesterday by Tony Stevenson of the Apache Infrastructure
Team. I see that you are not an ASF committer, so you probably have
not seen it.
[quote]
Folks,
We are still having issues with JIRA, which we are trying to work through.
It looks like we will need to move it onto a dedicated machine, which
will hopefully be done in the next day or so.
Apologies for the instability over the past few days, we have been
trying to sure it up but that now seems to have been in vain.
It looks like we will be moving the service back to a native machine,
as the load it is often placed under is too significant.
Cheers,
Tony
On behalf of the Apache Infrastructure Team
[/quote]
There were also messages on the infrabot twitter channel,
http://twitter.com/infrabot
The network status page [1] works for me, but it shows JIRA service in
green while the actual JIRA site responds with "Maintenance in
progress" web page.
Best regards,
Konstantin Kolinko