You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to dev@ant.apache.org by Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com> on 2003/02/07 02:41:36 UTC
Re: SSH Tasks
So a BSD license would be acceptable? I wrote an ssh and scp task last
month based on the jsch library (java secure channel), which is
currently LGPL'd. I've been talking with the library author about
changing the license, and it appears he may be agreeable to a BSD
license. His concern in changing licenses is that he doesn't want to see
the library go the way of MindTerm, which originally was GPL, then
changed to proprietary. The jsch library is at www.jcraft.com.
Dale Anson
danson@germane-software.com
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>On 30 Jan 2003, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>>IIRC there has been somebody working on a BSD licensed library at
>>sourceforge. Can't remember its name, but it must be in the
>>archives (ant-user, again IIRC).
>>
>>
>
><http://quietcoffee.sourceforge.net/> is what I've been looking for,
>seems to have slowed down, though.
>
>Stefan
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe, e-mail: ant-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>For additional commands, e-mail: ant-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org
>
>
>
Re: SSH Tasks
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Bodewig" <bo...@apache.org>
To: <an...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 01:47
Subject: Re: SSH Tasks
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com> wrote:
>
> > Though we do end up sporadically getting support calls related to
> > some random variant (like the Sun JWSDP version), that we have to
> > field, often by denying all knowledge :)
>
> 8-)
>
> Just one thing to clarify here. AFAIK JSWDP would have shipped a
> non-modified version of Ant if Ant 1.5 had been released in time for
> Sun's release plans. They wanted to have the JDK 1.4/WinXP Bug fixed,
> so they couldn't ship with stock Ant 1.4.1.
>
> Stefan
>
I was actually thinking of a recent bugrep about changes in the .bat file
they supply; that kind of thing is almost version independent.
Re: SSH Tasks
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com> wrote:
> Though we do end up sporadically getting support calls related to
> some random variant (like the Sun JWSDP version), that we have to
> field, often by denying all knowledge :)
8-)
Just one thing to clarify here. AFAIK JSWDP would have shipped a
non-modified version of Ant if Ant 1.5 had been released in time for
Sun's release plans. They wanted to have the JDK 1.4/WinXP Bug fixed,
so they couldn't ship with stock Ant 1.4.1.
Stefan
Re: SSH Tasks
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Bodewig" <bo...@apache.org>
To: <an...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 01:11
Subject: Re: SSH Tasks
> Ant is under a BSDish license. There are people who redistribute our
> code, even in modified form, and do so using a commercial license. Is
> this a problem for us? We still have Ant under our license, we don't
> get access to the modifications others have made, but this is their
> choice IMHO. Furthermore "they" are forced to give credit to us and
> must not call their product Ant.
Though we do end up sporadically getting support calls related to some
random variant (like the Sun JWSDP version), that we have to field, often by
denying all knowledge :)
Re: SSH Tasks
Posted by Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com>.
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Feb 2003, Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Feb 2003, Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I wrote an ssh and scp task last month
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Any pointers to it? Your task, I mean.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>It's at http://sourceforge.net/projects/antelope,
>>
>>
>
>Do you feel like putting together a blurb for our "related projects"
>page for Anteleope?
>
That's been on my "to do" list for the longest!
>
>
>
>>These are (IMHO) a decent start, but need some work, in particular
>>the ability to include filesets in the scp task.
>>
>>
>
>Hmm, even if jsch doesn't change its license, they could as well be a
>start of a task hosted by jsch - unless you really wanted them to
>remain part of Antelope.
>
The ssh tasks are packaged separately, they are not part of Antelope. My
thought is that they are useful on their own, so there is no reliance on
Antelope code to make them run. The only connection to Antelope is in
the package name, which, since it's all open source, can be changed if
anyone wants to.
>
>If an ssh task is part of Ant or the library it requires, the user
>will only have to download two things. Scattering Ant, the library
>and the task into three downloads will make it less attractive. But
>then again users are really in a need for these tasks, so they may be
>willing do that anyway 8-).
>
>
>
>>I'll forward your complete message to him and see where it goes.
>>
>>
>
>I've subscribed to the jsch-users list and will jump in if anything
>comes up.
>
>Stefan
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@ant.apache.org
>For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@ant.apache.org
>
>
>
Re: SSH Tasks
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 07 Feb 2003, Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com> wrote:
> Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Feb 2003, Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I wrote an ssh and scp task last month
>>
>>Any pointers to it? Your task, I mean.
>>
> It's at http://sourceforge.net/projects/antelope,
Do you feel like putting together a blurb for our "related projects"
page for Anteleope?
> These are (IMHO) a decent start, but need some work, in particular
> the ability to include filesets in the scp task.
Hmm, even if jsch doesn't change its license, they could as well be a
start of a task hosted by jsch - unless you really wanted them to
remain part of Antelope.
If an ssh task is part of Ant or the library it requires, the user
will only have to download two things. Scattering Ant, the library
and the task into three downloads will make it less attractive. But
then again users are really in a need for these tasks, so they may be
willing do that anyway 8-).
> I'll forward your complete message to him and see where it goes.
I've subscribed to the jsch-users list and will jump in if anything
comes up.
Stefan
Re: SSH Tasks
Posted by Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com>.
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Feb 2003, Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com> wrote:
>
>>I wrote an ssh and scp task last month based on the jsch library
>>(java secure channel), which is currently LGPL'd.
>>
>
>Any pointers to it? Your task, I mean.
>
It's at http://sourceforge.net/projects/antelope, the ssh tasks are in a
separate file (follow the 'download' link), then get ssh_tasks_021.zip.
The zip has the source, docs, and compiled classes. I packaged them
separately because of the license issues...! These are (IMHO) a decent
start, but need some work, in particular the ability to include filesets
in the scp task.
>
>What can we do to address this concern?
>
I'll forward your complete message to him and see where it goes.
>
>Ant is under a BSDish license. There are people who redistribute our
>code, even in modified form, and do so using a commercial license. Is
>this a problem for us? We still have Ant under our license, we don't
>get access to the modifications others have made, but this is their
>choice IMHO. Furthermore "they" are forced to give credit to us and
>must not call their product Ant.
>
>If you need help in evangelizing, I'm here 8-)
>
Thanks! I've done a lot at work to get rid of shell scripts, python
scripts, perl scripts, dos batch files, etc, to replace them with pure
Ant. Unfortunately, there are still a few things missing, ssh/scp being
a key piece.
>
>Stefan
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe, e-mail: ant-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>For additional commands, e-mail: ant-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org
>
>
>
Re: SSH Tasks
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 06 Feb 2003, Dale Anson <da...@germane-software.com> wrote:
> So a BSD license would be acceptable?
Certainly.
> I wrote an ssh and scp task last month based on the jsch library
> (java secure channel), which is currently LGPL'd.
Any pointers to it? Your task, I mean.
> I've been talking with the library author about changing the
> license, and it appears he may be agreeable to a BSD license.
Cool. This would be extremely useful.
> His concern in changing licenses is that he doesn't want to see the
> library go the way of MindTerm, which originally was GPL, then
> changed to proprietary.
What can we do to address this concern?
Ant is under a BSDish license. There are people who redistribute our
code, even in modified form, and do so using a commercial license. Is
this a problem for us? We still have Ant under our license, we don't
get access to the modifications others have made, but this is their
choice IMHO. Furthermore "they" are forced to give credit to us and
must not call their product Ant.
If you need help in evangelizing, I'm here 8-)
Stefan