Famo.us & cordova?

[Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com>]

>From todays Famo.us email marketting:


*Adobe collaboration*
We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a collaboration
project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core improvements to Cordova
itself. Included as part of this project will be a section of Famo.us
University to teach people how to wrap Famo.us apps.

*The Famo.us Wrapper*
The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview wrapped
inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can provide a Chrome
35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a 10-20MB
payload. We are collaborating with another company on this project—sorry,
but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in the labs and is not
ready for production. We will let you know when it is available. If you'd
like to participate in our beta, please contact fetterman@famo.us.

Re: Famo.us & cordova?

[julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>]

I don't see CocoonJS as a "phonegap killer", maybe a "phonegap build
killer", they've just added cordova/phonegap API support.
They've created an improved webview for iOS and android, but phonegap isn't
about the webview, is about the API over it.
Sad part is they aren't open source, but they did a great job with their
webview.

Anyway, after iOS 8 and android L with their new webviews, maybe this kind
of projects (cocoonjs, crosswalk) won't make much sense in the future

Re: Famo.us & cordova?

[Ross Gerbasi <rg...@gmail.com>]

I am all for "helping make improvements to Cordova itself" but very curious
what exactly they have in mind. As for the second point don't you already
have swappable webview ready to roll for 4.0? I would think if the Famo.us
team was actually helping with cordova and on the mailing list they would
already know this.... And the reason they don't want to just help and
contribute to Open Source is because they need neat buzz words like "The
Famo.us Wrapper".... sad...


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh right, the other "PhoneGap killer".  I bet that I'm going to have
> to once again say "It's much more productive to work with an open
> source project" when I'm asked about these people at a conference.
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:00 AM, julio cesar sanchez
> <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > With this "We are collaborating with another company on this project" I
> > think they are referring to Ludei's CocoonJS
> >
> > El martes, 8 de julio de 2014, Fischer, Paul A <paul.a.fischer@intel.com
> >
> > escribió:
> >
> >> I think they are referring to the Crosswalk pluggable webview. They
> >> currently use Crosswalk as their delivery mechanism for Android and it
> >> includes an approximately 15 MB payload for the replacement webview.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: mmocny@google.com <javascript:;> [mailto:mmocny@google.com
> >> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny
> >>
> >> I'm not concerned about that part Joe.  I'm a little concerned about the
> >> way they worded the second part.  It sounds like its something custom
> they
> >> are building, that isn't related to cordova at all.  I'm assuming it is,
> >> but talk about questionable writeup (gasp, surprise for Famo.us).
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> >> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> > WTF is Adobe Cordova? I know that someone was talking to the Famo.us
> >> > guys, but they really screwed up this mailout. :S
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@google.com
> >> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> > > From todays Famo.us email marketting:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > *Adobe collaboration*
> >> > > We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a
> >> > > collaboration project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core
> >> > > improvements to Cordova itself. Included as part of this project
> >> > > will be a section of Famo.us University to teach people how to wrap
> >> Famo.us apps.
> >> > >
> >> > > *The Famo.us Wrapper*
> >> > > The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview
> >> > > wrapped inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can
> >> > > provide a Chrome
> >> > > 35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a
> >> > > 10-20MB payload. We are collaborating with another company on this
> >> > > project—sorry, but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in
> >> > > the labs and is not ready for production. We will let you know when
> >> > > it is available. If you'd like to participate in our beta, please
> >> contact fetterman@famo.us <javascript:;>.
> >> >
> >>
>

Re: Famo.us & cordova?

[Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>]

Oh right, the other "PhoneGap killer".  I bet that I'm going to have
to once again say "It's much more productive to work with an open
source project" when I'm asked about these people at a conference.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:00 AM, julio cesar sanchez
<jc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With this "We are collaborating with another company on this project" I
> think they are referring to Ludei's CocoonJS
>
> El martes, 8 de julio de 2014, Fischer, Paul A <pa...@intel.com>
> escribió:
>
>> I think they are referring to the Crosswalk pluggable webview. They
>> currently use Crosswalk as their delivery mechanism for Android and it
>> includes an approximately 15 MB payload for the replacement webview.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mmocny@google.com <javascript:;> [mailto:mmocny@google.com
>> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny
>>
>> I'm not concerned about that part Joe.  I'm a little concerned about the
>> way they worded the second part.  It sounds like its something custom they
>> are building, that isn't related to cordova at all.  I'm assuming it is,
>> but talk about questionable writeup (gasp, surprise for Famo.us).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>
>> > WTF is Adobe Cordova? I know that someone was talking to the Famo.us
>> > guys, but they really screwed up this mailout. :S
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@google.com
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > > From todays Famo.us email marketting:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *Adobe collaboration*
>> > > We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a
>> > > collaboration project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core
>> > > improvements to Cordova itself. Included as part of this project
>> > > will be a section of Famo.us University to teach people how to wrap
>> Famo.us apps.
>> > >
>> > > *The Famo.us Wrapper*
>> > > The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview
>> > > wrapped inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can
>> > > provide a Chrome
>> > > 35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a
>> > > 10-20MB payload. We are collaborating with another company on this
>> > > project—sorry, but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in
>> > > the labs and is not ready for production. We will let you know when
>> > > it is available. If you'd like to participate in our beta, please
>> contact fetterman@famo.us <javascript:;>.
>> >
>>

Re: Famo.us & cordova?

[julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>]

With this "We are collaborating with another company on this project" I
think they are referring to Ludei's CocoonJS

El martes, 8 de julio de 2014, Fischer, Paul A <pa...@intel.com>
escribió:

> I think they are referring to the Crosswalk pluggable webview. They
> currently use Crosswalk as their delivery mechanism for Android and it
> includes an approximately 15 MB payload for the replacement webview.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mmocny@google.com <javascript:;> [mailto:mmocny@google.com
> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny
>
> I'm not concerned about that part Joe.  I'm a little concerned about the
> way they worded the second part.  It sounds like its something custom they
> are building, that isn't related to cordova at all.  I'm assuming it is,
> but talk about questionable writeup (gasp, surprise for Famo.us).
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > WTF is Adobe Cordova? I know that someone was talking to the Famo.us
> > guys, but they really screwed up this mailout. :S
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@google.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > From todays Famo.us email marketting:
> > >
> > >
> > > *Adobe collaboration*
> > > We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a
> > > collaboration project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core
> > > improvements to Cordova itself. Included as part of this project
> > > will be a section of Famo.us University to teach people how to wrap
> Famo.us apps.
> > >
> > > *The Famo.us Wrapper*
> > > The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview
> > > wrapped inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can
> > > provide a Chrome
> > > 35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a
> > > 10-20MB payload. We are collaborating with another company on this
> > > project—sorry, but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in
> > > the labs and is not ready for production. We will let you know when
> > > it is available. If you'd like to participate in our beta, please
> contact fetterman@famo.us <javascript:;>.
> >
>

RE: Famo.us & cordova?

["Fischer, Paul A" <pa...@intel.com>]

I think they are referring to the Crosswalk pluggable webview. They currently use Crosswalk as their delivery mechanism for Android and it includes an approximately 15 MB payload for the replacement webview.

-----Original Message-----
From: mmocny@google.com [mailto:mmocny@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny

I'm not concerned about that part Joe.  I'm a little concerned about the way they worded the second part.  It sounds like its something custom they are building, that isn't related to cordova at all.  I'm assuming it is, but talk about questionable writeup (gasp, surprise for Famo.us).


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> WTF is Adobe Cordova? I know that someone was talking to the Famo.us 
> guys, but they really screwed up this mailout. :S
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
> > From todays Famo.us email marketting:
> >
> >
> > *Adobe collaboration*
> > We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a 
> > collaboration project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core 
> > improvements to Cordova itself. Included as part of this project 
> > will be a section of Famo.us University to teach people how to wrap Famo.us apps.
> >
> > *The Famo.us Wrapper*
> > The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview 
> > wrapped inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can 
> > provide a Chrome
> > 35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a 
> > 10-20MB payload. We are collaborating with another company on this 
> > project—sorry, but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in 
> > the labs and is not ready for production. We will let you know when 
> > it is available. If you'd like to participate in our beta, please contact fetterman@famo.us.
>

Re: Famo.us & cordova?

[Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>]

Yes, we've been on the road educating them about Cordova and getting them
to become contributing members of the community. As evidenced by the 'kill
phonegap' rhetoric they still have a lot to learn. ;)

That said, they are very ambitous about contributing back to the 'many
webviews' future so that's great.


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Lorin Beer <lo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Brian and I have been speaking with Famo.us. So far, no technical specifics
> have been discussed or finalized. They do have a demoable wrapper for
> cordova, which I believe was developed as a proof of concept.
>
> Joe: I read that as (Adobe) (Cordova Team)
>
> I'll have more information to relay once I'm back from PTO next week and
> start up the conversation with famo.us.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> > I'm not concerned about that part Joe.  I'm a little concerned about the
> > way they worded the second part.  It sounds like its something custom
> they
> > are building, that isn't related to cordova at all.  I'm assuming it is,
> > but talk about questionable writeup (gasp, surprise for Famo.us).
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > WTF is Adobe Cordova? I know that someone was talking to the Famo.us
> > > guys, but they really screwed up this mailout. :S
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com>
> wrote:
> > > > From todays Famo.us email marketting:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Adobe collaboration*
> > > > We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a
> collaboration
> > > > project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core improvements to
> > Cordova
> > > > itself. Included as part of this project will be a section of Famo.us
> > > > University to teach people how to wrap Famo.us apps.
> > > >
> > > > *The Famo.us Wrapper*
> > > > The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview
> > wrapped
> > > > inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can provide a
> > Chrome
> > > > 35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a
> > 10-20MB
> > > > payload. We are collaborating with another company on this
> > project—sorry,
> > > > but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in the labs and is
> > not
> > > > ready for production. We will let you know when it is available. If
> > you'd
> > > > like to participate in our beta, please contact fetterman@famo.us.
> > >
> >
>

Re: Famo.us & cordova?

[Lorin Beer <lo...@gmail.com>]

Brian and I have been speaking with Famo.us. So far, no technical specifics
have been discussed or finalized. They do have a demoable wrapper for
cordova, which I believe was developed as a proof of concept.

Joe: I read that as (Adobe) (Cordova Team)

I'll have more information to relay once I'm back from PTO next week and
start up the conversation with famo.us.


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:

> I'm not concerned about that part Joe.  I'm a little concerned about the
> way they worded the second part.  It sounds like its something custom they
> are building, that isn't related to cordova at all.  I'm assuming it is,
> but talk about questionable writeup (gasp, surprise for Famo.us).
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > WTF is Adobe Cordova? I know that someone was talking to the Famo.us
> > guys, but they really screwed up this mailout. :S
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
> > > From todays Famo.us email marketting:
> > >
> > >
> > > *Adobe collaboration*
> > > We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a collaboration
> > > project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core improvements to
> Cordova
> > > itself. Included as part of this project will be a section of Famo.us
> > > University to teach people how to wrap Famo.us apps.
> > >
> > > *The Famo.us Wrapper*
> > > The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview
> wrapped
> > > inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can provide a
> Chrome
> > > 35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a
> 10-20MB
> > > payload. We are collaborating with another company on this
> project—sorry,
> > > but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in the labs and is
> not
> > > ready for production. We will let you know when it is available. If
> you'd
> > > like to participate in our beta, please contact fetterman@famo.us.
> >
>

Re: Famo.us & cordova?

[Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>]

I'm not concerned about that part Joe.  I'm a little concerned about the
way they worded the second part.  It sounds like its something custom they
are building, that isn't related to cordova at all.  I'm assuming it is,
but talk about questionable writeup (gasp, surprise for Famo.us).


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> WTF is Adobe Cordova? I know that someone was talking to the Famo.us
> guys, but they really screwed up this mailout. :S
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
> > From todays Famo.us email marketting:
> >
> >
> > *Adobe collaboration*
> > We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a collaboration
> > project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core improvements to Cordova
> > itself. Included as part of this project will be a section of Famo.us
> > University to teach people how to wrap Famo.us apps.
> >
> > *The Famo.us Wrapper*
> > The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview wrapped
> > inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can provide a Chrome
> > 35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a 10-20MB
> > payload. We are collaborating with another company on this project—sorry,
> > but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in the labs and is not
> > ready for production. We will let you know when it is available. If you'd
> > like to participate in our beta, please contact fetterman@famo.us.
>

Re: Famo.us & cordova?

[Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>]

WTF is Adobe Cordova? I know that someone was talking to the Famo.us
guys, but they really screwed up this mailout. :S

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
> From todays Famo.us email marketting:
>
>
> *Adobe collaboration*
> We are proud to announce that we have officially begun a collaboration
> project with the Adobe Cordova team to make core improvements to Cordova
> itself. Included as part of this project will be a section of Famo.us
> University to teach people how to wrap Famo.us apps.
>
> *The Famo.us Wrapper*
> The wrapper will enable developers to create a pluggable webview wrapped
> inside their Android apps. The good news is that you can provide a Chrome
> 35 webview with this method. The bad news is that it comes with a 10-20MB
> payload. We are collaborating with another company on this project—sorry,
> but we can't say their name yet. This solution is in the labs and is not
> ready for production. We will let you know when it is available. If you'd
> like to participate in our beta, please contact fetterman@famo.us.