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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Mike Duffy <md...@yahoo.com> on 2004/07/30 01:27:50 UTC
Struts, JSF, FLEX and the Future of Interface Design
I attended a Webinar today on FLEX, the new design environment from Macromedia. The system is
impressive in functionality, but not impressive in terms of integration with existing frameworks.
Essentially, integration is attained through the creation of web services; so, rather than having
a session object or backing bean, you create a web service that ties into a FLEX UI component.
A major negative is cost. A server component is required at a proposed cost of $12,000 per dual
CPU (FLEX is still in beta so this may change).
In the past few months there have been several threads in this user group on Struts vs JSF. While
I am a big fan of the simplicity and functionality of Struts, I am convinced that Struts in a
system that only has a traditional HTML UI will soon be yesterday's news.
I would prefer not to be tied to any specific vendor, especailly at a high financial cost.
I think the best solution would be to create JSF custom components that are on the same level as
the FLEX custom components. Existing applications that are built on Struts could still use Struts
as the controller and make a transition to JSF (or some combination) for the View.
IBM has a catalog of basic JSF custom components
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/library/jsf/catalog/WebContent/
What we really need is a catalog of advanced JSF components (things that make you go Wow!).
I know that several people from Sun monitor this user group. As a suggestion, I think it would be
a good idea to have a link to resources for advanced custom JSF components on the main JSF page:
http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/
IMHO, it would be a great idea for Sun to sponsor a contest with financial rewards for the
creation of the coolest JSF custom components.
If JSF does not evolve quickly to the same level as FLEX, then the future of interface design will
belong to Macromedia.
Mike
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Re: Struts, JSF, FLEX and the Future of Interface Design
Posted by Javen Fang <fa...@gmail.com>.
hi, Vic Cekvenich
please show me you private yahoo group, and I am interested in Flex.
thanks!
javen
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:32:38 -0500, Vic Cekvenich
<ce...@portalvu.com> wrote:
> I spent many months on flex beta, etc, and have lauched production RIA apps.
> I found Flex slow (not RIA) on non-trivial "forms".
>
> So for the last month I have been doing : https://jdnc.dev.java.net
> So far impresive. I have it working with Struts Chain getting data from
> iBatis for CRUD.
> Very fast.
>
> I have a paper coming out on it in a week or 2, should be release on
> sofwarereality.com.
>
> In the mean time, I have a priavte group on yahoo, so if anyone is
> active in sturts/os, let me know and I will show you what I designed so far.
>
> ..V
>
> Mike Duffy wrote:
> > I attended a Webinar today on FLEX, the new design environment from Macromedia. The system is
> > impressive in functionality, but not impressive in terms of integration with existing frameworks.
> > Essentially, integration is attained through the creation of web services; so, rather than having
> > a session object or backing bean, you create a web service that ties into a FLEX UI component.
> >
> > A major negative is cost. A server component is required at a proposed cost of $12,000 per dual
> > CPU (FLEX is still in beta so this may change).
> >
> > In the past few months there have been several threads in this user group on Struts vs JSF. While
> > I am a big fan of the simplicity and functionality of Struts, I am convinced that Struts in a
> > system that only has a traditional HTML UI will soon be yesterday's news.
> >
> > I would prefer not to be tied to any specific vendor, especailly at a high financial cost.
> >
> > I think the best solution would be to create JSF custom components that are on the same level as
> > the FLEX custom components. Existing applications that are built on Struts could still use Struts
> > as the controller and make a transition to JSF (or some combination) for the View.
> >
> > IBM has a catalog of basic JSF custom components
> > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/library/jsf/catalog/WebContent/
> >
> > What we really need is a catalog of advanced JSF components (things that make you go Wow!).
> >
> > I know that several people from Sun monitor this user group. As a suggestion, I think it would be
> > a good idea to have a link to resources for advanced custom JSF components on the main JSF page:
> > http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/
> >
> > IMHO, it would be a great idea for Sun to sponsor a contest with financial rewards for the
> > creation of the coolest JSF custom components.
> >
> > If JSF does not evolve quickly to the same level as FLEX, then the future of interface design will
> > belong to Macromedia.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Struts, JSF, FLEX and the Future of Interface Design
Posted by Vic Cekvenich <ce...@portalvu.com>.
I spent many months on flex beta, etc, and have lauched production RIA apps.
I found Flex slow (not RIA) on non-trivial "forms".
So for the last month I have been doing : https://jdnc.dev.java.net
So far impresive. I have it working with Struts Chain getting data from
iBatis for CRUD.
Very fast.
I have a paper coming out on it in a week or 2, should be release on
sofwarereality.com.
In the mean time, I have a priavte group on yahoo, so if anyone is
active in sturts/os, let me know and I will show you what I designed so far.
.V
Mike Duffy wrote:
> I attended a Webinar today on FLEX, the new design environment from Macromedia. The system is
> impressive in functionality, but not impressive in terms of integration with existing frameworks.
> Essentially, integration is attained through the creation of web services; so, rather than having
> a session object or backing bean, you create a web service that ties into a FLEX UI component.
>
> A major negative is cost. A server component is required at a proposed cost of $12,000 per dual
> CPU (FLEX is still in beta so this may change).
>
> In the past few months there have been several threads in this user group on Struts vs JSF. While
> I am a big fan of the simplicity and functionality of Struts, I am convinced that Struts in a
> system that only has a traditional HTML UI will soon be yesterday's news.
>
> I would prefer not to be tied to any specific vendor, especailly at a high financial cost.
>
> I think the best solution would be to create JSF custom components that are on the same level as
> the FLEX custom components. Existing applications that are built on Struts could still use Struts
> as the controller and make a transition to JSF (or some combination) for the View.
>
> IBM has a catalog of basic JSF custom components
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/library/jsf/catalog/WebContent/
>
> What we really need is a catalog of advanced JSF components (things that make you go Wow!).
>
> I know that several people from Sun monitor this user group. As a suggestion, I think it would be
> a good idea to have a link to resources for advanced custom JSF components on the main JSF page:
> http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/
>
> IMHO, it would be a great idea for Sun to sponsor a contest with financial rewards for the
> creation of the coolest JSF custom components.
>
> If JSF does not evolve quickly to the same level as FLEX, then the future of interface design will
> belong to Macromedia.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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