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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> on 2011/07/19 07:37:36 UTC
OOo Trademark
Hi,
I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I have
been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So, my
questions are:
- Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
- If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org, right?
- If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
+ Do requesters still have to use the web form?
Or, is there any interims process?
Best regards,
Peter
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Rob Weir <ap...@robweir.com>.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Ross Gardler
<rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> On 19 July 2011 06:37, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use the
>> trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I have been
>> pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So, my questions are:
>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>
> I'm not sure if it has finally transferred I know the paperwork has
> been flying around. Shane/Sam are either of you able to give an
> update?
>
>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org, right?
>
> It's the job of the (P)PMC to manage the trademark policy (see
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/)
>
> What this means is that the request should come to ooo-dev first. If
> it is clearly within the policy then the (P)PMC can give permission.
> If there is any doubt then it should be referred to trademarks@a.o
>
> Note trademarks@a.o will enforce the policy if there is a case of
> misuse, so it is important that the (P)PMC is fully aware of the
> policy when giving permission.
>
>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>
> Requests should come here (or ooo-private if the company has need for
> the request to be private). If you have a webform that has been used
> in the past it would make sense to continue to use it, but the
> requests need to be brought to the project community.
>
Good information. I've added an item to the "Help Wanted" wiki page
[1] to turn this into a defined PPMC process that we can describe on
the website's Community FAQ's.
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
> Ross
>
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Am 19.07.2011 16:38, schrieb Ross Gardler:
> On 19 July 2011 06:37, Peter Junge<pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
[...]
>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org, right?
>
> It's the job of the (P)PMC to manage the trademark policy (see
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/)
>
> What this means is that the request should come to ooo-dev first. If
> it is clearly within the policy then the (P)PMC can give permission.
> If there is any doubt then it should be referred to trademarks@a.o
>
> Note trademarks@a.o will enforce the policy if there is a case of
> misuse, so it is important that the (P)PMC is fully aware of the
> policy when giving permission.
Thanks for the pointer.
>
>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>
> Requests should come here (or ooo-private if the company has need for
> the request to be private). If you have a webform that has been used
> in the past it would make sense to continue to use it, but the
> requests need to be brought to the project community.
The web form was used by Oracle. I think we won't need it anymore, but
the process --as described above-- should work well. If the OOo
trademark is still with Oracle, it would like to ask (added Andrew on
CC) to delegate all related issues to the AOOo (P)PMC ASAP in order to
ensure legal certainty for future requesters.
Peter
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
On 19 July 2011 06:37, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use the
> trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I have been
> pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So, my questions are:
> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
I'm not sure if it has finally transferred I know the paperwork has
been flying around. Shane/Sam are either of you able to give an
update?
> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org, right?
It's the job of the (P)PMC to manage the trademark policy (see
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/)
What this means is that the request should come to ooo-dev first. If
it is clearly within the policy then the (P)PMC can give permission.
If there is any doubt then it should be referred to trademarks@a.o
Note trademarks@a.o will enforce the policy if there is a case of
misuse, so it is important that the (P)PMC is fully aware of the
policy when giving permission.
> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
Requests should come here (or ooo-private if the company has need for
the request to be private). If you have a webform that has been used
in the past it would make sense to continue to use it, but the
requests need to be brought to the project community.
Ross
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Am 20.07.2011 00:51, schrieb Andrew Rist:
>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>> my questions are:
>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
OK.
>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>> right?
>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
> be moved over to Apache.
Good idea.
>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>> Or, is there any interims process?
> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
> things in reasonably short order.
OK, does anyone have objections if I'm starting to forward TM requests
to this list?
Peter
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
Danese Cooper wrote:
> Well, after a policy is decided on, I'd suggest we publish it along with a
> "request for permission" link that goes to a special list in this PPMC of
> people willing to moderate the OOo trademark policy. That's how OSI,
> Mozilla, Wikimedia and a few other projects I can think about do it. One
> "nice to have" is pre-canned logo usage for the most common and simplest
> cases (like..."I want to print a tee-shirt for my conference", or "I want to
> reference your project in my story (from journalists)")
>
> I would be willing to serve on that list.
>
> D
As will I.
Andy
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com>.
Well, after a policy is decided on, I'd suggest we publish it along with a
"request for permission" link that goes to a special list in this PPMC of
people willing to moderate the OOo trademark policy. That's how OSI,
Mozilla, Wikimedia and a few other projects I can think about do it. One
"nice to have" is pre-canned logo usage for the most common and simplest
cases (like..."I want to print a tee-shirt for my conference", or "I want to
reference your project in my story (from journalists)")
I would be willing to serve on that list.
D
> Any observations on how this is typically handled by other
> community-led (as opposed to corporate-led) OSS projects?
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Rob Weir <ap...@robweir.com>.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
> Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on trademark
> enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks. See
> http://www.itworld.com/security/182757/floss-accept-no-substitutes for an
> overview of the issue. At Sun, we regularly pursued the pond-scum who preyed
> on OOo end-users like this - does Apache already have an initiative for
> dealing with it?
>
Any observations on how this is typically handled by other
community-led (as opposed to corporate-led) OSS projects?
-Rob
> S.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, ASF counsel and I are working with Oracle to get the paperwork signed
>> and finished to transfer a number of "OpenOffice.org" registered trademarks
>> (and related marks) to the ASF, from a number of different countries.
>> (Thanks Andrew)
>>
>> Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that webform?
>> http://surveys.services.**openoffice.org/surveys/index.**php?sid=31881<http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881>
>>
>> I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
>> asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the Apache
>> side.
>>
>> In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in, this
>> PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
>> "OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a product
>> that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>>>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>>>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>>>> my questions are:
>>>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>>>>
>>> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>>>
>>>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>>>> right?
>>>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
>>>>
>>> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
>>> be moved over to Apache.
>>>
>>>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>>>> Or, is there any interims process?
>>>>
>>> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
>>> things in reasonably short order.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Simon Phipps
> +1 415 683 7660 : www.webmink.com
>
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 07/22/2011 12:57 AM, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
> Note that Tightrope has abandoned their US trademark application for
> OPENOFFICE. Yay!
>
> http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85298190
Great to know, thanks for the link. :-)
Marcus
> On 7/21/2011 2:14 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>>
>> On 21 Jul 2011, at 06:31, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>
>>> Am 07/21/2011 01:11 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke:
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 2011-07-21 09:21:45 +0800, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on
>>>>>> trademark
>>>>>> enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is indeed a big and painful issue that should somehow be
>>>>> tackled. I think the I remember the former lead of the German OOo
>>>>> Marketing Project had collected several hundreds of cases of
>>>>> subscription fraud with OOo.
>>>>
>>>> About 2000 reported cases as of June 2010, see
>>>> http://de.openoffice.org/abgezockt/ (all in German)
>>>
>>> Wow, what a frigthening number of cases. :-O
>>
>> And there are many more in other countries. Defending the
>> OpenOffice.org trademark just against this nasty abuse is a full-time
>> project. I would be be happy to participate in it once Apache has
>> standing.
>>
>> Also, Shane& Andrew, do you know whether Oracle has objected to the
>> trademark application by Tightrope Interactive that was reported in
>> The Register[1]? It would be very sad to see that one fall through the
>> cracks during the hand-over.
>>
>> S.
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/29/oracle_no_comment_on_downed_openoffice_org_url/
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Note that Tightrope has abandoned their US trademark application for
OPENOFFICE. Yay!
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85298190
- Shane
On 7/21/2011 2:14 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On 21 Jul 2011, at 06:31, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>
>> Am 07/21/2011 01:11 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 2011-07-21 09:21:45 +0800, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on trademark
>>>>> enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks.
>>>>
>>>> This is indeed a big and painful issue that should somehow be
>>>> tackled. I think the I remember the former lead of the German OOo
>>>> Marketing Project had collected several hundreds of cases of
>>>> subscription fraud with OOo.
>>>
>>> About 2000 reported cases as of June 2010, see
>>> http://de.openoffice.org/abgezockt/ (all in German)
>>
>> Wow, what a frigthening number of cases. :-O
>
> And there are many more in other countries. Defending the OpenOffice.org trademark just against this nasty abuse is a full-time project. I would be be happy to participate in it once Apache has standing.
>
> Also, Shane& Andrew, do you know whether Oracle has objected to the trademark application by Tightrope Interactive that was reported in The Register[1]? It would be very sad to see that one fall through the cracks during the hand-over.
>
> S.
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/29/oracle_no_comment_on_downed_openoffice_org_url/
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Andrew Rist <an...@oracle.com>.
On 7/21/2011 11:14 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2011, at 06:31, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>
>> Am 07/21/2011 01:11 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 2011-07-21 09:21:45 +0800, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on trademark
>>>>> enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks.
>>>> This is indeed a big and painful issue that should somehow be
>>>> tackled. I think the I remember the former lead of the German OOo
>>>> Marketing Project had collected several hundreds of cases of
>>>> subscription fraud with OOo.
>>> About 2000 reported cases as of June 2010, see
>>> http://de.openoffice.org/abgezockt/ (all in German)
>> Wow, what a frigthening number of cases. :-O
> And there are many more in other countries. Defending the OpenOffice.org trademark just against this nasty abuse is a full-time project. I would be be happy to participate in it once Apache has standing.
>
> Also, Shane& Andrew, do you know whether Oracle has objected to the trademark application by Tightrope Interactive that was reported in The Register[1]? It would be very sad to see that one fall through the cracks during the hand-over.
Oracle has been dealing with the Tightrope issue.
A.
>
> S.
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/29/oracle_no_comment_on_downed_openoffice_org_url/
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
On 21 Jul 2011, at 06:31, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 07/21/2011 01:11 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke:
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> On Thursday, 2011-07-21 09:21:45 +0800, Peter Junge wrote:
>>
>>>> Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on trademark
>>>> enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks.
>>>
>>> This is indeed a big and painful issue that should somehow be
>>> tackled. I think the I remember the former lead of the German OOo
>>> Marketing Project had collected several hundreds of cases of
>>> subscription fraud with OOo.
>>
>> About 2000 reported cases as of June 2010, see
>> http://de.openoffice.org/abgezockt/ (all in German)
>
> Wow, what a frigthening number of cases. :-O
And there are many more in other countries. Defending the OpenOffice.org trademark just against this nasty abuse is a full-time project. I would be be happy to participate in it once Apache has standing.
Also, Shane & Andrew, do you know whether Oracle has objected to the trademark application by Tightrope Interactive that was reported in The Register[1]? It would be very sad to see that one fall through the cracks during the hand-over.
S.
[1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/29/oracle_no_comment_on_downed_openoffice_org_url/
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 07/21/2011 01:11 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke:
> Hi Peter,
>
> On Thursday, 2011-07-21 09:21:45 +0800, Peter Junge wrote:
>
>>> Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on trademark
>>> enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks.
>>
>> This is indeed a big and painful issue that should somehow be
>> tackled. I think the I remember the former lead of the German OOo
>> Marketing Project had collected several hundreds of cases of
>> subscription fraud with OOo.
>
> About 2000 reported cases as of June 2010, see
> http://de.openoffice.org/abgezockt/ (all in German)
Wow, what a frigthening number of cases. :-O
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Eike Rathke <oo...@erack.de>.
Hi Peter,
On Thursday, 2011-07-21 09:21:45 +0800, Peter Junge wrote:
> >Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on trademark
> >enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks.
>
> This is indeed a big and painful issue that should somehow be
> tackled. I think the I remember the former lead of the German OOo
> Marketing Project had collected several hundreds of cases of
> subscription fraud with OOo.
About 2000 reported cases as of June 2010, see
http://de.openoffice.org/abgezockt/ (all in German)
Eike
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Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Am 20.07.2011 07:57, schrieb Simon Phipps:
> Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on trademark
> enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks. See
> http://www.itworld.com/security/182757/floss-accept-no-substitutes for an
> overview of the issue. At Sun, we regularly pursued the pond-scum who preyed
> on OOo end-users like this - does Apache already have an initiative for
> dealing with it?
This is indeed a big and painful issue that should somehow be tackled. I
think the I remember the former lead of the German OOo Marketing Project
had collected several hundreds of cases of subscription fraud with OOo.
Peter
>
> S.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Shane Curcuru<as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, ASF counsel and I are working with Oracle to get the paperwork signed
>> and finished to transfer a number of "OpenOffice.org" registered trademarks
>> (and related marks) to the ASF, from a number of different countries.
>> (Thanks Andrew)
>>
>> Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that webform?
>> http://surveys.services.**openoffice.org/surveys/index.**php?sid=31881<http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881>
>>
>> I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
>> asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the Apache
>> side.
>>
>> In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in, this
>> PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
>> "OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a product
>> that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>>>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>>>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>>>> my questions are:
>>>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>>>>
>>> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>>>
>>>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>>>> right?
>>>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
>>>>
>>> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
>>> be moved over to Apache.
>>>
>>>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>>>> Or, is there any interims process?
>>>>
>>> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
>>> things in reasonably short order.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
Once this is cooked, I'm eager for us to pick up the threads on trademark
enforcement against "subscription fraud" abusers of the trademarks. See
http://www.itworld.com/security/182757/floss-accept-no-substitutes for an
overview of the issue. At Sun, we regularly pursued the pond-scum who preyed
on OOo end-users like this - does Apache already have an initiative for
dealing with it?
S.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> Yes, ASF counsel and I are working with Oracle to get the paperwork signed
> and finished to transfer a number of "OpenOffice.org" registered trademarks
> (and related marks) to the ASF, from a number of different countries.
> (Thanks Andrew)
>
> Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that webform?
> http://surveys.services.**openoffice.org/surveys/index.**php?sid=31881<http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881>
>
> I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
> asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the Apache
> side.
>
> In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in, this
> PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
> "OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a product
> that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
>
> - Shane
>
>
> On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>>> my questions are:
>>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>>>
>> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>>
>>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>>> right?
>>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
>>>
>> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
>> be moved over to Apache.
>>
>>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>>> Or, is there any interims process?
>>>
>> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
>> things in reasonably short order.
>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>
--
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+1 415 683 7660 : www.webmink.com
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Thanks for starting some detailed conversation. A couple of meta notes:
- My objective is to minimize the number of special cases we have in our
policies. Unless there are really fundamental differences, I expect
that the ASF-wide policy [1] will cover all projects. Note: I plan on
continuing to update it, especially the FAQ page, to cover exactly these
kinds of "this specific kind of use is OK" cases.
- We should carefully consider which parts of the potential process
would happen in public vs. private.
If we end up with an Apache OOo "Contact us here to request special
permission", I think that should be done publicly, with a note to
requester that the request will be public.
However trademark enforcement - i.e. us contacting third parties who may
be improperly using our marks, or third parties reporting improper uses
of our marks - is normally done privately, at least for the first
contact to a third party. This is because we've found that many cases
are simple misunderstandings or mistakes, and they are often quickly
cleaned up once we make a polite request.
- We do not currently have a template "here's permission" email or
document, that's a longer term process we should work with the ASF Legal
Affairs Committee at legal-discuss@ to create.
- Shane
On 7/21/2011 5:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> OK. So let's outline a trademark policy. As a strawman I'd propose:
>
> We add a webpage called "Trademark policy" that states states that
> Apache owns the trademarked name and logo, that there are certain uses
> of these trademarks that that require no permission from us, but that
> we require permission for any uses beyond this.
>
> The webpage would describes the pre-allowed uses, including at least
> the "nominative fair use" and other exceptions listed in the Apache
> Trademark Policy. The list of pre-approved uses might be extended for
> this project, by mutual agreement of the PPMC and Apache Branding.
>
> Permission would be granted for specific, documented uses. The
> trademark page would have a form for the requester to fill out,
> describing the intended trademark use. The form would also list our
> conditions on trademark use, likely including that usage shall not
> express endorsement by Apache, etc. The form would also state that
> the permission will be revoked if the terms are violated. The form
> template itself should be reviewed by Apache Branding as well as
> Apache Legal Affairs. Perhaps there is a template we can borrow?
>
> A completed& signed form would then be considered by the PPMC.
> Optional [DISCUSSION] thread, followed by at least 72-hour [VOTE]. A
> record of all granted and rejected permissions would be tracked by the
> PPMC. Decisions would be public. But we would need a policy on
> whether the request forms that are submitted are public or whether
> they are stored in the PPMC's private area.
>
> Is that generally the idea? I'd like to avoid having a process that
> is unnecessarily heavyweight. But if we have historically seen abuse
> of the trademark and anticipate seeing more, then we will need to take
> this process seriously.
>
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Shane Curcuru<as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>> Thanks for the info. Note that it would be helpful if people interested in
>> working with trademarks read the Apache policies, as well as our growing
>> list of FAQs:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/
>>
>> Part of my strategy is to attempt to cover as many of the basic kinds of
>> uses with generic documentation, and to try to limit the number of explicit
>> agreements or specific grants that we give to third parties.
>>
>> I.e. if we can clearly state in a policy that using our marks in manner X is
>> generally permissible, without having to fillin a webform or email for
>> written permission, it makes our life much, much simpler. There are plenty
>> of uses of trademarks that don't require any permissions and are not
>> infringing - otherwise, how could I order a Coke (or a Pepsi) to drink?
>>
>> For things like journalists writing an article about Apache products, or
>> individuals with personal blogs who just want to link to the download page
>> for a product - I'd like to be able to point to a policy or FAQ that notes
>> if they do it appropriately, no explicit permission is required.
>>
>> Obviously with the userbase and reach of OpenOffice.org, we need to consider
>> how to manage the kinds of requests and the load of requests going forward,
>> now that we're becoming Apache OpenOffice.
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>> On 7/20/2011 9:06 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 20.07.2011 03:57, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that webform?
>>>> http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881
>>>
>>> I've contacted the person who I think was responsible before.
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
>>>> asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the
>>>> Apache side.
>>>
>>> That might depend on the number of requests that have accumulated in
>>> recent weeks.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in,
>>>> this PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
>>>> "OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a
>>>> product that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
>>>
>>> Many of these request are sent by journalists (e.g. providing OOo as
>>> part of an open source DVD as magazine add) and authors (e.g. screen
>>> shots for a publication). Another large group are individual open source
>>> enthusiasts who just want to put the OOo logo on their website to link
>>> the download page. IMHO, it would be easiest to point everyone on this
>>> list, let them briefly summarize their concern and then giving them a
>>> preliminary permission. Next, they can send us the results of using the
>>> OOo logo or trademark, so we can make a final decisions while having the
>>> real context available.
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>> peter
>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Shane
>>>>
>>>> On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>>>>>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>>>>>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>>>>>> my questions are:
>>>>>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
>>>>>
>>>>> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
>>>>> be moved over to Apache.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>>>>>> Or, is there any interims process?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
>>>>> things in reasonably short order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Peter
>>
>>
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Rob Weir <ap...@robweir.com>.
OK. So let's outline a trademark policy. As a strawman I'd propose:
We add a webpage called "Trademark policy" that states states that
Apache owns the trademarked name and logo, that there are certain uses
of these trademarks that that require no permission from us, but that
we require permission for any uses beyond this.
The webpage would describes the pre-allowed uses, including at least
the "nominative fair use" and other exceptions listed in the Apache
Trademark Policy. The list of pre-approved uses might be extended for
this project, by mutual agreement of the PPMC and Apache Branding.
Permission would be granted for specific, documented uses. The
trademark page would have a form for the requester to fill out,
describing the intended trademark use. The form would also list our
conditions on trademark use, likely including that usage shall not
express endorsement by Apache, etc. The form would also state that
the permission will be revoked if the terms are violated. The form
template itself should be reviewed by Apache Branding as well as
Apache Legal Affairs. Perhaps there is a template we can borrow?
A completed & signed form would then be considered by the PPMC.
Optional [DISCUSSION] thread, followed by at least 72-hour [VOTE]. A
record of all granted and rejected permissions would be tracked by the
PPMC. Decisions would be public. But we would need a policy on
whether the request forms that are submitted are public or whether
they are stored in the PPMC's private area.
Is that generally the idea? I'd like to avoid having a process that
is unnecessarily heavyweight. But if we have historically seen abuse
of the trademark and anticipate seeing more, then we will need to take
this process seriously.
[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> Thanks for the info. Note that it would be helpful if people interested in
> working with trademarks read the Apache policies, as well as our growing
> list of FAQs:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/
>
> Part of my strategy is to attempt to cover as many of the basic kinds of
> uses with generic documentation, and to try to limit the number of explicit
> agreements or specific grants that we give to third parties.
>
> I.e. if we can clearly state in a policy that using our marks in manner X is
> generally permissible, without having to fillin a webform or email for
> written permission, it makes our life much, much simpler. There are plenty
> of uses of trademarks that don't require any permissions and are not
> infringing - otherwise, how could I order a Coke (or a Pepsi) to drink?
>
> For things like journalists writing an article about Apache products, or
> individuals with personal blogs who just want to link to the download page
> for a product - I'd like to be able to point to a policy or FAQ that notes
> if they do it appropriately, no explicit permission is required.
>
> Obviously with the userbase and reach of OpenOffice.org, we need to consider
> how to manage the kinds of requests and the load of requests going forward,
> now that we're becoming Apache OpenOffice.
>
> - Shane
>
> On 7/20/2011 9:06 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>
>> Am 20.07.2011 03:57, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that webform?
>>> http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881
>>
>> I've contacted the person who I think was responsible before.
>>>
>>> I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
>>> asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the
>>> Apache side.
>>
>> That might depend on the number of requests that have accumulated in
>> recent weeks.
>>
>>>
>>> In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in,
>>> this PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
>>> "OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a
>>> product that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
>>
>> Many of these request are sent by journalists (e.g. providing OOo as
>> part of an open source DVD as magazine add) and authors (e.g. screen
>> shots for a publication). Another large group are individual open source
>> enthusiasts who just want to put the OOo logo on their website to link
>> the download page. IMHO, it would be easiest to point everyone on this
>> list, let them briefly summarize their concern and then giving them a
>> preliminary permission. Next, they can send us the results of using the
>> OOo logo or trademark, so we can make a final decisions while having the
>> real context available.
>>
>> best regards,
>> peter
>>
>>>
>>> - Shane
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>>>>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>>>>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>>>>> my questions are:
>>>>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>>>>
>>>> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>>>>>
>>>>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>>>>> right?
>>>>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
>>>>
>>>> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
>>>> be moved over to Apache.
>>>>>
>>>>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>>>>> Or, is there any interims process?
>>>>
>>>> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
>>>> things in reasonably short order.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Peter
>
>
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
Shane Curcuru wrote:
> Thanks for the info. Note that it would be helpful if people interested
> in working with trademarks read the Apache policies, as well as our
> growing list of FAQs:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/
>
> Part of my strategy is to attempt to cover as many of the basic kinds of
> uses with generic documentation, and to try to limit the number of
> explicit agreements or specific grants that we give to third parties.
>
> I.e. if we can clearly state in a policy that using our marks in manner
> X is generally permissible, without having to fillin a webform or email
> for written permission, it makes our life much, much simpler. There are
> plenty of uses of trademarks that don't require any permissions and are
> not infringing - otherwise, how could I order a Coke (or a Pepsi) to drink?
>
> For things like journalists writing an article about Apache products, or
> individuals with personal blogs who just want to link to the download
> page for a product - I'd like to be able to point to a policy or FAQ
> that notes if they do it appropriately, no explicit permission is required.
>
> Obviously with the userbase and reach of OpenOffice.org, we need to
> consider how to manage the kinds of requests and the load of requests
> going forward, now that we're becoming Apache OpenOffice.
>
> - Shane
>
When I first got started with the Distribution project at OOo this is
the way it worked. It was only a few months ago that Oracle changed the
policy. I would prefer the above as well.
Andy
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
On 21 July 2011 10:33, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 07/21/2011 03:16 AM, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
>
> Thanks for the info. Note that it would be helpful if people interested
>> in working with trademarks read the Apache policies, as well as our
>> growing list of FAQs:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/>
>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/faq/<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/>
>>
>> Part of my strategy is to attempt to cover as many of the basic kinds of
>> uses with generic documentation, and to try to limit the number of
>> explicit agreements or specific grants that we give to third parties.
>>
>> I.e. if we can clearly state in a policy that using our marks in manner
>> X is generally permissible, without having to fillin a webform or email
>> for written permission, it makes our life much, much simpler. There are
>> plenty of uses of trademarks that don't require any permissions and are
>> not infringing - otherwise, how could I order a Coke (or a Pepsi) to
>> drink?
>>
>> For things like journalists writing an article about Apache products, or
>> individuals with personal blogs who just want to link to the download
>> page for a product - I'd like to be able to point to a policy or FAQ
>> that notes if they do it appropriately, no explicit permission is
>> required.
>>
>> Obviously with the userbase and reach of OpenOffice.org, we need to
>> consider how to manage the kinds of requests and the load of requests
>> going forward, now that we're becoming Apache OpenOffice.
>>
>
> Is there already a list that names simple requests that doesn't need a
> permission? We could create a new webpage on the Wiki or homepage as "I want
> to use your trademark. What to do?" section.
>
I have made a request that I think is fairly well-known. It is to use the
OpenOffice.org name and logo on user certificates and in the handbook. I
will have a draft of the handbook finished in the next couple of days if
anyone wants to look at it. It will get published with an ISBN on Lulu.com
and translated to Spanish. CC ASA 3.0 license.
It might be that I use Apache OpenOffice instead of OpenOffice.org and
include the Apache Logo. Part of the idea is to raise awareness of FOSS
projects and communities so there is a marketing dimension to this that
should be beneficial to everyone.
Just raising this again here for maximum transparency!
--
Ian
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www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
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Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 07/21/2011 03:16 AM, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
> Thanks for the info. Note that it would be helpful if people interested
> in working with trademarks read the Apache policies, as well as our
> growing list of FAQs:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/
>
> Part of my strategy is to attempt to cover as many of the basic kinds of
> uses with generic documentation, and to try to limit the number of
> explicit agreements or specific grants that we give to third parties.
>
> I.e. if we can clearly state in a policy that using our marks in manner
> X is generally permissible, without having to fillin a webform or email
> for written permission, it makes our life much, much simpler. There are
> plenty of uses of trademarks that don't require any permissions and are
> not infringing - otherwise, how could I order a Coke (or a Pepsi) to drink?
>
> For things like journalists writing an article about Apache products, or
> individuals with personal blogs who just want to link to the download
> page for a product - I'd like to be able to point to a policy or FAQ
> that notes if they do it appropriately, no explicit permission is required.
>
> Obviously with the userbase and reach of OpenOffice.org, we need to
> consider how to manage the kinds of requests and the load of requests
> going forward, now that we're becoming Apache OpenOffice.
Is there already a list that names simple requests that doesn't need a
permission? We could create a new webpage on the Wiki or homepage as "I
want to use your trademark. What to do?" section.
Marcus
> On 7/20/2011 9:06 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>> Am 20.07.2011 03:57, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that
>>> webform?
>>> http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881
>>
>> I've contacted the person who I think was responsible before.
>>>
>>> I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
>>> asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the
>>> Apache side.
>>
>> That might depend on the number of requests that have accumulated in
>> recent weeks.
>>
>>>
>>> In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in,
>>> this PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
>>> "OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a
>>> product that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
>>
>> Many of these request are sent by journalists (e.g. providing OOo as
>> part of an open source DVD as magazine add) and authors (e.g. screen
>> shots for a publication). Another large group are individual open source
>> enthusiasts who just want to put the OOo logo on their website to link
>> the download page. IMHO, it would be easiest to point everyone on this
>> list, let them briefly summarize their concern and then giving them a
>> preliminary permission. Next, they can send us the results of using the
>> OOo logo or trademark, so we can make a final decisions while having the
>> real context available.
>>
>> best regards,
>> peter
>>
>>>
>>> - Shane
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>>>>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>>>>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>>>>> my questions are:
>>>>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>>>> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>>>>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>>>>> right?
>>>>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
>>>> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process
>>>> should
>>>> be moved over to Apache.
>>>>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>>>>> Or, is there any interims process?
>>>> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
>>>> things in reasonably short order.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Peter
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Thanks for the info. Note that it would be helpful if people interested
in working with trademarks read the Apache policies, as well as our
growing list of FAQs:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/
Part of my strategy is to attempt to cover as many of the basic kinds of
uses with generic documentation, and to try to limit the number of
explicit agreements or specific grants that we give to third parties.
I.e. if we can clearly state in a policy that using our marks in manner
X is generally permissible, without having to fillin a webform or email
for written permission, it makes our life much, much simpler. There are
plenty of uses of trademarks that don't require any permissions and are
not infringing - otherwise, how could I order a Coke (or a Pepsi) to drink?
For things like journalists writing an article about Apache products, or
individuals with personal blogs who just want to link to the download
page for a product - I'd like to be able to point to a policy or FAQ
that notes if they do it appropriately, no explicit permission is required.
Obviously with the userbase and reach of OpenOffice.org, we need to
consider how to manage the kinds of requests and the load of requests
going forward, now that we're becoming Apache OpenOffice.
- Shane
On 7/20/2011 9:06 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
> Am 20.07.2011 03:57, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
> [...]
>
>> Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that webform?
>> http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881
>
> I've contacted the person who I think was responsible before.
>>
>> I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
>> asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the
>> Apache side.
>
> That might depend on the number of requests that have accumulated in
> recent weeks.
>
>>
>> In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in,
>> this PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
>> "OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a
>> product that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
>
> Many of these request are sent by journalists (e.g. providing OOo as
> part of an open source DVD as magazine add) and authors (e.g. screen
> shots for a publication). Another large group are individual open source
> enthusiasts who just want to put the OOo logo on their website to link
> the download page. IMHO, it would be easiest to point everyone on this
> list, let them briefly summarize their concern and then giving them a
> preliminary permission. Next, they can send us the results of using the
> OOo logo or trademark, so we can make a final decisions while having the
> real context available.
>
> best regards,
> peter
>
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>> On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>>>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>>>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>>>> my questions are:
>>>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>>> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>>>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>>>> right?
>>>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
>>> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
>>> be moved over to Apache.
>>>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>>>> Or, is there any interims process?
>>> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
>>> things in reasonably short order.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Peter
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Am 20.07.2011 03:57, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
[...]
> Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that webform?
> http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881
I've contacted the person who I think was responsible before.
>
> I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
> asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the
> Apache side.
That might depend on the number of requests that have accumulated in
recent weeks.
>
> In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in,
> this PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
> "OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a
> product that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
Many of these request are sent by journalists (e.g. providing OOo as
part of an open source DVD as magazine add) and authors (e.g. screen
shots for a publication). Another large group are individual open source
enthusiasts who just want to put the OOo logo on their website to link
the download page. IMHO, it would be easiest to point everyone on this
list, let them briefly summarize their concern and then giving them a
preliminary permission. Next, they can send us the results of using the
OOo logo or trademark, so we can make a final decisions while having the
real context available.
best regards,
peter
>
> - Shane
>
> On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>>> my questions are:
>>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
>> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>>> right?
>>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
>> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
>> be moved over to Apache.
>>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>>> Or, is there any interims process?
>> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
>> things in reasonably short order.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Peter
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Yes, ASF counsel and I are working with Oracle to get the paperwork
signed and finished to transfer a number of "OpenOffice.org" registered
trademarks (and related marks) to the ASF, from a number of different
countries. (Thanks Andrew)
Andrew (or whoever): how/when can we get the submissions to that webform?
http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881
I'm actually wondering if and how we should review those, versus simply
asking people to start contacting ooo-dev@ about requests from the
Apache side.
In particular, with the transfer of the OOo marks, how do we (as in,
this PPMC and trademarks@) handle any permissions or licensing of
"OpenOffice.org"? Especially since that mark primarily refers to a
product that we - the ASF - do not actually distribute?
- Shane
On 7/19/2011 12:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>
>
>
> On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
>> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
>> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
>> my questions are:
>> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
> Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
>> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
>> right?
>> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
> All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process should
> be moved over to Apache.
>> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
>> Or, is there any interims process?
> Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
> things in reasonably short order.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Peter
Re: OOo Trademark
Posted by Andrew Rist <an...@oracle.com>.
On 7/18/2011 10:37 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use
> the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I
> have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So,
> my questions are:
> - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache?
Oracle legal is currently working with ASF on the transfer.
> - If yes, I recall I have to forward them to trademarks@apache.org,
> right?
> - If not, is Oracle still taking on such requests?
All of these types of requests are on hold at Oracle. The process
should be moved over to Apache.
> + Do requesters still have to use the web form?
> Or, is there any interims process?
Not at this time - and - this should make it over to the Apache side of
things in reasonably short order.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter