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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org> on 2005/10/13 19:05:23 UTC
[math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Hello,
is there any other place where the 1.1 RCs can be found?
http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/commons/math/binaries/
only contains 1.0.
Also, I was looking to get the latest on the 1.1 release.
Is there anything holding up the 1.1 final?
There was a vote about a month ago, which only resulted in
a minor build issue being fixed.
Since then no other news - either pro or con release.
Oddly, the current version is 1.2-SNAPSHOT.
Have I missed something?
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RE: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Arnaud HERITIER <ah...@gmail.com>.
I think that http://cvs.apache.org/dist/ is used to distribute packages. It doesn't follow the maven repository layout.
The repository to store snapshots for maven is http://cvs.apache.org/repository/
Arnaud
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> Envoyé : samedi 15 octobre 2005 17:53
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> Objet : Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
>
> On 10/15/05, Arnaud HERITIER <ah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You can publish snapshot on this repository which isn't
> synchronized with ibiblio.
> > It's where we put all our snapshots (comes from
> > project.properties.sample in commons-build)
> >
> > # Repository to deploy snapshots
> > maven.repo.apache.snapshots=scp://cvs.apache.org
> > maven.repo.apache.snapshots.directory=/www/cvs.apache.org/repository
> >
> <snip/>
>
> So, whats /www/cvs.apache.org/dist/jakarta for? I see
> snapshots there, and I remember it being referred to as the
> place to put snapshots.
> Thanks!
>
> -Rahul
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 10/15/05, Arnaud HERITIER <ah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can publish snapshot on this repository which isn't synchronized with ibiblio.
> It's where we put all our snapshots (comes from project.properties.sample in commons-build)
>
> # Repository to deploy snapshots
> maven.repo.apache.snapshots=scp://cvs.apache.org
> maven.repo.apache.snapshots.directory=/www/cvs.apache.org/repository
>
<snip/>
So, whats /www/cvs.apache.org/dist/jakarta for? I see snapshots there,
and I remember it being referred to as the place to put snapshots.
Thanks!
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 10/15/05, Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org> wrote:
> Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> >
> > I understand, unfortunately this is against our release policy (at
> > least publishing to ibiblio). I will try to get the actual release
> > out ASAP.
> >
>
> Just to understand - this release policy seems specific to the commons
> math project, since other commons projects seem to deploy RCs and
> snapshots. If so - is there any specific reason for it?
> If not on ibiblio - perhaps another URL on ASF where to deploy the jars?
<snip/>
IIUC, http://cvs.apache.org/dist/jakarta/ may be used for this purpose.
-Rahul
> They would be not be considered public releases - just like the zip and
> tar.gz distributions.
> IMO it would make it a lot easier to test the RCs in real production
> projects and would benefit the commons math project.
>
> Cheers
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org>.
Phil Steitz wrote:
> I just published an RC4-SNAPSHOT jar to cvs.apache.org/repostory --
> commons-math-1.1-RC4-SNAPSHOT.jar
>
> This is not (yet) an RC, as I am still working on BZ 37086. It does
> include other bug fixes after RC3, though, so I thought it best to
> publish a snapshot rather than pusing the RC3 jar.
>
> One correction below. References to "java-repository" mean the
> mirrored, ibiblio-synched official release repo at
> http://www.apache.org/dist/java-repository/. This is all described in
> the "Repository Structure" section in
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/building.html
>
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
I just published an RC4-SNAPSHOT jar to cvs.apache.org/repostory --
commons-math-1.1-RC4-SNAPSHOT.jar
This is not (yet) an RC, as I am still working on BZ 37086. It does
include other bug fixes after RC3, though, so I thought it best to
publish a snapshot rather than pusing the RC3 jar.
One correction below. References to "java-repository" mean the
mirrored, ibiblio-synched official release repo at
http://www.apache.org/dist/java-repository/. This is all described in
the "Repository Structure" section in
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/building.html
Phil
On 10/15/05, Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org> wrote:
> Phil Steitz wrote:
> >
> > There is general consensus that it is OK to publish snapshots to our
> > "internal" repository at cvs.apache.org/repository (aka
> > "java-repository"), but not to ibibilio. The snaps on cvs.apache.org
> > are not guaranteed to remain there and users should not be encouraged
> > to use them in production applications. Others can jump in here and
> > state different opinions, but I think at least within commons we are
> > in agreement that we publish only released jars to ibiblio.
> >
> > Some apache projects vote on and release formal betas and some
> > separate release votes from stability votes. At this point, in
> > commons, we follow the process described here:
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases, which is to fix contents
> > of the release via a release plan, then cut RCs for download /
> > inspection from people.apache.org, iterating until a full release vote
> > passes and we publish to apache mirros and ibibilio.
> >
> > This process and the Jakarta voting / release guidelines really
> > predate maven. It may be reasonable to add a "push RC jars to
> > java-repository" to the RC process. If other commons committers are
> > OK with pushing RC jars to java-repository, I will do this for the
> > current [math] RC and update
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases to add a "publish to
> > java-repository" step to the RC step. This creates a little more work
> > for RMs, but if it means the RCs get more / better testing and we are
> > all OK with it from support / oversight perspective, I am OK with it
>
> That'd be great! java-repository is just as easy to add it to the list
> of maven remote repos.
>
> Thanks!
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org>.
Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> There is general consensus that it is OK to publish snapshots to our
> "internal" repository at cvs.apache.org/repository (aka
> "java-repository"), but not to ibibilio. The snaps on cvs.apache.org
> are not guaranteed to remain there and users should not be encouraged
> to use them in production applications. Others can jump in here and
> state different opinions, but I think at least within commons we are
> in agreement that we publish only released jars to ibiblio.
>
> Some apache projects vote on and release formal betas and some
> separate release votes from stability votes. At this point, in
> commons, we follow the process described here:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases, which is to fix contents
> of the release via a release plan, then cut RCs for download /
> inspection from people.apache.org, iterating until a full release vote
> passes and we publish to apache mirros and ibibilio.
>
> This process and the Jakarta voting / release guidelines really
> predate maven. It may be reasonable to add a "push RC jars to
> java-repository" to the RC process. If other commons committers are
> OK with pushing RC jars to java-repository, I will do this for the
> current [math] RC and update
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases to add a "publish to
> java-repository" step to the RC step. This creates a little more work
> for RMs, but if it means the RCs get more / better testing and we are
> all OK with it from support / oversight perspective, I am OK with it
That'd be great! java-repository is just as easy to add it to the list
of maven remote repos.
Thanks!
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
On 10/15/05, Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org> wrote:
> Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> >
> > I understand, unfortunately this is against our release policy (at
> > least publishing to ibiblio). I will try to get the actual release
> > out ASAP.
> >
>
> Just to understand - this release policy seems specific to the commons
> math project, since other commons projects seem to deploy RCs and
> snapshots. If so - is there any specific reason for it?
> If not on ibiblio - perhaps another URL on ASF where to deploy the jars?
We do have an "internal" maven repo at cvs.apache.org/repository.
Assuming others are OK (see below), I will push the RC3 jars there.
> They would be not be considered public releases - just like the zip and
> tar.gz distributions.
> IMO it would make it a lot easier to test the RCs in real production
> projects and would benefit the commons math project.
There is general consensus that it is OK to publish snapshots to our
"internal" repository at cvs.apache.org/repository (aka
"java-repository"), but not to ibibilio. The snaps on cvs.apache.org
are not guaranteed to remain there and users should not be encouraged
to use them in production applications. Others can jump in here and
state different opinions, but I think at least within commons we are
in agreement that we publish only released jars to ibiblio.
Some apache projects vote on and release formal betas and some
separate release votes from stability votes. At this point, in
commons, we follow the process described here:
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases, which is to fix contents
of the release via a release plan, then cut RCs for download /
inspection from people.apache.org, iterating until a full release vote
passes and we publish to apache mirros and ibibilio.
This process and the Jakarta voting / release guidelines really
predate maven. It may be reasonable to add a "push RC jars to
java-repository" to the RC process. If other commons committers are
OK with pushing RC jars to java-repository, I will do this for the
current [math] RC and update
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases to add a "publish to
java-repository" step to the RC step. This creates a little more work
for RMs, but if it means the RCs get more / better testing and we are
all OK with it from support / oversight perspective, I am OK with it
Phil
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RE: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Arnaud HERITIER <ah...@gmail.com>.
You can publish snapshot on this repository which isn't synchronized with ibiblio.
It's where we put all our snapshots (comes from project.properties.sample in commons-build)
# Repository to deploy snapshots
maven.repo.apache.snapshots=scp://cvs.apache.org
maven.repo.apache.snapshots.directory=/www/cvs.apache.org/repository
maven.repo.apache.snapshots.username=${maven.repo.apache.releases.username}
maven.repo.apache.snapshots.privatekey=${maven.repo.apache.releases.privatekey}
maven.repo.apache.snapshots.passphrase=${maven.repo.apache.releases.passphrase}
maven.repo.apache.snapshots.group=${maven.repo.apache.releases.group}
Arnaud
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> De : news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] De la part de Mauro Talevi
> Envoyé : samedi 15 octobre 2005 14:10
> À : commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Objet : Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
>
> Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> >
> > I understand, unfortunately this is against our release policy (at
> > least publishing to ibiblio). I will try to get the actual release
> > out ASAP.
> >
>
> Just to understand - this release policy seems specific to
> the commons math project, since other commons projects seem
> to deploy RCs and snapshots. If so - is there any specific
> reason for it?
> If not on ibiblio - perhaps another URL on ASF where to
> deploy the jars?
> They would be not be considered public releases - just like
> the zip and tar.gz distributions.
> IMO it would make it a lot easier to test the RCs in real
> production projects and would benefit the commons math project.
>
> Cheers
>
>
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org>.
Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> I understand, unfortunately this is against our release policy (at
> least publishing to ibiblio). I will try to get the actual release
> out ASAP.
>
Just to understand - this release policy seems specific to the commons
math project, since other commons projects seem to deploy RCs and
snapshots. If so - is there any specific reason for it?
If not on ibiblio - perhaps another URL on ASF where to deploy the jars?
They would be not be considered public releases - just like the zip and
tar.gz distributions.
IMO it would make it a lot easier to test the RCs in real production
projects and would benefit the commons math project.
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
On 10/14/05, Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org> wrote:
> Phil Steitz wrote:
> >
> > What is incorrect is the impl, assuming the test results presented in
> > the bug report are correct (I have not turned these into Junit test
> > cases yet to verify). The "iff" in the javadoc means "if and only if"
> > - so, e.g. the min of {NaN, 0} should be 0, not NaN.
>
> attached patch
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=16699
Thanks!
>
> >
> > What you are looking for should be in the tars/zips here
> > http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/commons-math/
> >
> > Note that these are not "public" apache releases, but release
> > candidates for internal evaluation.
>
> Publishing RCs jars as well (aside from the distributions)
> so that maven can look them up (eg ibiblio or somewhere else at ASF)
> would also be very useful.
>
> It would enable users to quickly upgrade their maven projects
> without needing to download, unpack, etc ...
I understand, unfortunately this is against our release policy (at
least publishing to ibiblio). I will try to get the actual release
out ASAP.
Phil
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org>.
Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> What is incorrect is the impl, assuming the test results presented in
> the bug report are correct (I have not turned these into Junit test
> cases yet to verify). The "iff" in the javadoc means "if and only if"
> - so, e.g. the min of {NaN, 0} should be 0, not NaN.
attached patch
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=16699
>
> What you are looking for should be in the tars/zips here
> http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/commons-math/
>
> Note that these are not "public" apache releases, but release
> candidates for internal evaluation.
Publishing RCs jars as well (aside from the distributions)
so that maven can look them up (eg ibiblio or somewhere else at ASF)
would also be very useful.
It would enable users to quickly upgrade their maven projects
without needing to download, unpack, etc ...
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
On 10/14/05, Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org> wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Phil Steitz wrote:
> >
> >
> > There are two open bugs holding up the release:
> > http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37019 (trivial)
> > http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37086 (requires some work)
> >
> > I will try to get these sorted this weekend. Patches, feedback
> > welcome! Any [math] committers out there, pls review mails and bug
> > report on Complex classes and weigh in so we can resolve and get the
> > release out.
>
> Thanks for the update. Bugzilla server is down ATM.
> But I've been following the issue 37019.
> It's still not 100% clear what the "correct" scenario is:
> should or should the NaNs have an impact on the result?
> Two comments you made seem slightly inconsistent.
>
> One:
> "The general policy in [math] is to use NaN consistently with floating
> point arithemtic specs (IEEE 754 for real, C99x Annex G for complex
> arithmetic) so for statistics such as Sum, Mean, etc. that involve
> arithmetic computations, NaN values force the return value to be NaN."
>
> Two:
> "This is definitely a bug, as the javadoc indicates clearly that NaN
> values should have no impact on the result:
> "The result is NaN iff all values are NaN (i.e. NaN values have no
> impact on the value of the statistic)."
> "
>
> Could you clarify please? Is the javadoc wrong or the impl?
What is incorrect is the impl, assuming the test results presented in
the bug report are correct (I have not turned these into Junit test
cases yet to verify). The "iff" in the javadoc means "if and only if"
- so, e.g. the min of {NaN, 0} should be 0, not NaN.
>
> > We created a release branch once the contents of the 1.1 release were
> > fixed. That branch is MATH_1_1. The svn trunk version includes some
> > numerical analysis enhancements that will not be included in 1.1.
> > That's why the trunk version says 1.2
>
> That's fine, but I guess what I was also asking is whether you have
> a policy of releasing jars labeled 1.1-rc-* (I haven't been able to find
> them) or only the final release.
What you are looking for should be in the tars/zips here
http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/commons-math/
Note that these are not "public" apache releases, but release
candidates for internal evaluation.
Thanks for the feedback!
Phil
>
> Cheers
>
>
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org>.
Phil,
Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>
> There are two open bugs holding up the release:
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37019 (trivial)
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37086 (requires some work)
>
> I will try to get these sorted this weekend. Patches, feedback
> welcome! Any [math] committers out there, pls review mails and bug
> report on Complex classes and weigh in so we can resolve and get the
> release out.
Thanks for the update. Bugzilla server is down ATM.
But I've been following the issue 37019.
It's still not 100% clear what the "correct" scenario is:
should or should the NaNs have an impact on the result?
Two comments you made seem slightly inconsistent.
One:
"The general policy in [math] is to use NaN consistently with floating
point arithemtic specs (IEEE 754 for real, C99x Annex G for complex
arithmetic) so for statistics such as Sum, Mean, etc. that involve
arithmetic computations, NaN values force the return value to be NaN."
Two:
"This is definitely a bug, as the javadoc indicates clearly that NaN
values should have no impact on the result:
"The result is NaN iff all values are NaN (i.e. NaN values have no
impact on the value of the statistic)."
"
Could you clarify please? Is the javadoc wrong or the impl?
> We created a release branch once the contents of the 1.1 release were
> fixed. That branch is MATH_1_1. The svn trunk version includes some
> numerical analysis enhancements that will not be included in 1.1.
> That's why the trunk version says 1.2
That's fine, but I guess what I was also asking is whether you have
a policy of releasing jars labeled 1.1-rc-* (I haven't been able to find
them) or only the final release.
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Re: [math] math 1.1 RCs and FCS
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
On 10/13/05, Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> is there any other place where the 1.1 RCs can be found?
http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/commons-math/
>
> http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/commons/math/binaries/
> only contains 1.0.
>
> Also, I was looking to get the latest on the 1.1 release.
> Is there anything holding up the 1.1 final?
There are two open bugs holding up the release:
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37019 (trivial)
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37086 (requires some work)
I will try to get these sorted this weekend. Patches, feedback
welcome! Any [math] committers out there, pls review mails and bug
report on Complex classes and weigh in so we can resolve and get the
release out.
Phil
> There was a vote about a month ago, which only resulted in
> a minor build issue being fixed.
> Since then no other news - either pro or con release.
Chasing down findbugs complaints led to review of Complex equals and
arithmetic, which brought up 37086.
>
> Oddly, the current version is 1.2-SNAPSHOT.
> Have I missed something?
We created a release branch once the contents of the 1.1 release were
fixed. That branch is MATH_1_1. The svn trunk version includes some
numerical analysis enhancements that will not be included in 1.1.
That's why the trunk version says 1.2
Phil
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