Re: [NOTICE] ECharts Issues need to be fixed ASAP, from my shepherd perspective

[Danny Angus <da...@gmail.com>]

This raises a question for me, if you are finding it hard to increase
contributors, could this be related to using Chinese? I would hypothesise
that using English for all things would make it harder for some Chinese
speakers to contribute, but much easier for people who don't speak Chinese
to get involved with the project.
Just my 2c
Danny

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 5:03 am Sheng Wu, <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Echarts PPMC and contributor team
>
> From the ECharts incubator report, Echarts is facing serious issues of
> following the Apache way.
> ECharts has been in Apache Incubator 1.5 years, which is a long time. But
> the ECharts still acts like a GitHub OSS, rather than Apache project.
> In Apache, we are helping project believing the Apache way, rather than
> convincing or forcing project to do something. The progress of ECharts
> makes a lot of concerns in Incubator.
> As in my personal connection w/ ECharts PPMC members, Wenli and Zhongyi,
> they still think Echarts want to be part of the foundation, I am doing this
> review report as a shepherd perspective.
>
> I hope the following *SERIOUS* issues could be fixed as quickly as
> possible, and showing the incubator ECharts community is embracing the
> Apache Wa
>
> 1. Mail list communication. Today, Mail list has very little traffic, any
> decision made is not forwarding to it, even if some discussions happen at
> GitHub.
> 2. Chinese is still widely used in GitHub. I am also a native Mandarin
> speaker, but the purpose of being in the Foundation is looking forward to
> wider/global users, so we need English. Translation service could be used
> if the PPMC think English is a block. But for my personal perspective,
> maybe many people English is not very good, but good enough to understand.
> The community just needs to be guided.
> 3. Serious Branding Issue. https://echarts.baidu.com/ needs to be
> abandoned, including Baidu advertising in this page
> 4. Community build lacked. Developer lacked. From my OSS experiences, js
> project should have more codes contributors, especially for a widely-used
> project like ECharts. Even I know, there are different ways to project
> contributions, but still too less. Only 7 contribute codes over 100 lines.
> At the same time, the top 2 contribute 100k+ and 5k+ lines. This is more
> serious issue than just diversity lacked. If the top 2 left or are busy in
> some cases, the project would stop.
> 5. Mentors feel without PPMC and community feedback/support. Mentors from
> Foundations are volunteers to offer help, these help only work when you are
> willing to learn. I don't have so much to say about this, this depends on
> PPMC and contributor team willings.
> 6. Who will do mental lead? The community in Apache should be(but not yet
> for ECharts) diversity, but I hope/think someone from PPMC could step out,
> do the lead. Such as starting the discussion about report, feature roadmap,
> release plan, community event. This could be not a single individual, but
> really require PPMC show up.
> 7. No one update the Incubator status page.
> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/echarts.html No progress shows
> there.
> 8. Chinese and English websites are not the same. As a native Mandarin,
> this issue shows up. This should not happen. Chinese website should be a
> translation version only, nothing more.
> 9. Why master branch codes have a big gap with the release version. In
> release page, https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases, the
> number of commit differences keep > 300. Why? Where is the real release
> code?
> 10. Unofficial release page with unexpected releases.
> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/dist/, list in ZH website,
> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/download.html. But not showing at EN page.
> I don't know what are they.
> 11. A lot of unofficial releases show up in GitHub release page.
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases. In the release
> page, only 4.2.1 and 4.1.0(I assume these two passed the incubator votes).
> In that release page, a lot of releases made by core contributor with
> changelog.
> 12. Official GitHub page pointing download page to 3rd party pages,
> including EN. https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#get-echarts
> 13. Branding issue about `Official Extensions`(
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#official-extensions). If it
> is official, it should be hosted in Apache, but clearly, they are not.
> 14. Branding even IP issue about `Developers Contributions`, listed in
> official GitHub readme.
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#developers-contributions.
> Many individual names listed there, are they part of ECharts?
>
> Suggestions
> Please PPMC could consider to work on the report(even not officially for
> Incubator), which help you to review the project.
>
> All above opinions are myself only.
> I am going to help review if you have report rather than I need to spend
> several hours to review your repo, website and all other resources.
>
> You have many riche experienced mentors, please work with them ASAP.
>
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Apache Incubator
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>

Re: [NOTICE] ECharts Issues need to be fixed ASAP, from my shepherd perspective

[Danny Angus <da...@gmail.com>]

Thank you, these are interesting data points.
D.

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019, 1:50 am Sheng Wu, <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that is not the case of don't having Chinese page. We
> We should admit that some people actually have troubles in reading and
> writing English, and as a diversity community, we have nothing wrong to
> support them, especially wr have many native Chinese sprakers.
>
> Apache is preferring to keep doc, discussion and decision in English at
> least, for welcoming more people join, like you said, which is why I asked
> ppmc to make English part better than now, but nothing wrong about adopting
> more.
>
> All from my sides, I am a part of a tlp in Apache, most core maintainers
> are still native speakers, but they could work well in English, and we have
> English and Chinese docs. I didn't see this is a block to community build.
>
> For ECharts case, the contribution path is not clear, and leak of guides
> from ppmc are my thoughts.
>
> Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>于2019年9月3日 周二上午12:25写道：
>
>> What do you think about having pages in Chinese that explain why we
>> prefer to all use English?
>> d.
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 07:21, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes. I think so. That is why I am asking them to keep project documents
>> and websites in dual languages.
>> >
>> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> >
>> > Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Zipkin
>> > Twitter, wusheng1108
>> >
>> >
>> > Danny Angus <da...@gmail.com> 于2019年9月2日周一 下午1:47写道：
>> >>
>> >> This raises a question for me, if you are finding it hard to increase
>> contributors, could this be related to using Chinese? I would hypothesise
>> that using English for all things would make it harder for some Chinese
>> speakers to contribute, but much easier for people who don't speak Chinese
>> to get involved with the project.
>> >> Just my 2c
>> >> Danny
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 5:03 am Sheng Wu, <wu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Echarts PPMC and contributor team
>> >>>
>> >>> From the ECharts incubator report, Echarts is facing serious issues
>> of following the Apache way.
>> >>> ECharts has been in Apache Incubator 1.5 years, which is a long time.
>> But the ECharts still acts like a GitHub OSS, rather than Apache project.
>> >>> In Apache, we are helping project believing the Apache way, rather
>> than convincing or forcing project to do something. The progress of ECharts
>> makes a lot of concerns in Incubator.
>> >>> As in my personal connection w/ ECharts PPMC members, Wenli and
>> Zhongyi, they still think Echarts want to be part of the foundation, I am
>> doing this review report as a shepherd perspective.
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope the following SERIOUS issues could be fixed as quickly as
>> possible, and showing the incubator ECharts community is embracing the
>> Apache Wa
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Mail list communication. Today, Mail list has very little traffic,
>> any decision made is not forwarding to it, even if some discussions happen
>> at GitHub.
>> >>> 2. Chinese is still widely used in GitHub. I am also a native
>> Mandarin speaker, but the purpose of being in the Foundation is looking
>> forward to wider/global users, so we need English. Translation service
>> could be used if the PPMC think English is a block. But for my personal
>> perspective, maybe many people English is not very good, but good enough to
>> understand. The community just needs to be guided.
>> >>> 3. Serious Branding Issue. https://echarts.baidu.com/ needs to be
>> abandoned, including Baidu advertising in this page
>> >>> 4. Community build lacked. Developer lacked. From my OSS experiences,
>> js project should have more codes contributors, especially for a
>> widely-used project like ECharts. Even I know, there are different ways to
>> project contributions, but still too less. Only 7 contribute codes over 100
>> lines. At the same time, the top 2 contribute 100k+ and 5k+ lines. This is
>> more serious issue than just diversity lacked. If the top 2 left or are
>> busy in some cases, the project would stop.
>> >>> 5. Mentors feel without PPMC and community feedback/support. Mentors
>> from Foundations are volunteers to offer help, these help only work when
>> you are willing to learn. I don't have so much to say about this, this
>> depends on PPMC and contributor team willings.
>> >>> 6. Who will do mental lead? The community in Apache should be(but not
>> yet for ECharts) diversity, but I hope/think someone from PPMC could step
>> out, do the lead. Such as starting the discussion about report, feature
>> roadmap, release plan, community event. This could be not a single
>> individual, but really require PPMC show up.
>> >>> 7. No one update the Incubator status page.
>> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/echarts.html No progress shows
>> there.
>> >>> 8. Chinese and English websites are not the same. As a native
>> Mandarin, this issue shows up. This should not happen. Chinese website
>> should be a translation version only, nothing more.
>> >>> 9. Why master branch codes have a big gap with the release version.
>> In release page, https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases,
>> the number of commit differences keep > 300. Why? Where is the real release
>> code?
>> >>> 10. Unofficial release page with unexpected releases.
>> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/dist/, list in ZH website,
>> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/download.html. But not showing at EN page.
>> I don't know what are they.
>> >>> 11. A lot of unofficial releases show up in GitHub release page.
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases. In the release
>> page, only 4.2.1 and 4.1.0(I assume these two passed the incubator votes).
>> In that release page, a lot of releases made by core contributor with
>> changelog.
>> >>> 12. Official GitHub page pointing download page to 3rd party pages,
>> including EN. https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#get-echarts
>> >>> 13. Branding issue about `Official Extensions`(
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#official-extensions). If it
>> is official, it should be hosted in Apache, but clearly, they are not.
>> >>> 14. Branding even IP issue about `Developers Contributions`, listed
>> in official GitHub readme.
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#developers-contributions.
>> Many individual names listed there, are they part of ECharts?
>> >>>
>> >>> Suggestions
>> >>> Please PPMC could consider to work on the report(even not officially
>> for Incubator), which help you to review the project.
>> >>>
>> >>> All above opinions are myself only.
>> >>> I am going to help review if you have report rather than I need to
>> spend several hours to review your repo, website and all other resources.
>> >>>
>> >>> You have many riche experienced mentors, please work with them ASAP.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> >>>
>> >>> Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Apache Incubator
>> >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>>
>> --
> Sheng Wu
> SkyWalking, Shardingsphere and Zipkin
>

Re: [NOTICE] ECharts Issues need to be fixed ASAP, from my shepherd perspective

[Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>]

I think that is not the case of don't having Chinese page. We
We should admit that some people actually have troubles in reading and
writing English, and as a diversity community, we have nothing wrong to
support them, especially wr have many native Chinese sprakers.

Apache is preferring to keep doc, discussion and decision in English at
least, for welcoming more people join, like you said, which is why I asked
ppmc to make English part better than now, but nothing wrong about adopting
more.

All from my sides, I am a part of a tlp in Apache, most core maintainers
are still native speakers, but they could work well in English, and we have
English and Chinese docs. I didn't see this is a block to community build.

For ECharts case, the contribution path is not clear, and leak of guides
from ppmc are my thoughts.

Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>于2019年9月3日 周二上午12:25写道：

> What do you think about having pages in Chinese that explain why we
> prefer to all use English?
> d.
>
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 07:21, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes. I think so. That is why I am asking them to keep project documents
> and websites in dual languages.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >
> > Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Danny Angus <da...@gmail.com> 于2019年9月2日周一 下午1:47写道：
> >>
> >> This raises a question for me, if you are finding it hard to increase
> contributors, could this be related to using Chinese? I would hypothesise
> that using English for all things would make it harder for some Chinese
> speakers to contribute, but much easier for people who don't speak Chinese
> to get involved with the project.
> >> Just my 2c
> >> Danny
> >>
> >> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 5:03 am Sheng Wu, <wu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Echarts PPMC and contributor team
> >>>
> >>> From the ECharts incubator report, Echarts is facing serious issues of
> following the Apache way.
> >>> ECharts has been in Apache Incubator 1.5 years, which is a long time.
> But the ECharts still acts like a GitHub OSS, rather than Apache project.
> >>> In Apache, we are helping project believing the Apache way, rather
> than convincing or forcing project to do something. The progress of ECharts
> makes a lot of concerns in Incubator.
> >>> As in my personal connection w/ ECharts PPMC members, Wenli and
> Zhongyi, they still think Echarts want to be part of the foundation, I am
> doing this review report as a shepherd perspective.
> >>>
> >>> I hope the following SERIOUS issues could be fixed as quickly as
> possible, and showing the incubator ECharts community is embracing the
> Apache Wa
> >>>
> >>> 1. Mail list communication. Today, Mail list has very little traffic,
> any decision made is not forwarding to it, even if some discussions happen
> at GitHub.
> >>> 2. Chinese is still widely used in GitHub. I am also a native Mandarin
> speaker, but the purpose of being in the Foundation is looking forward to
> wider/global users, so we need English. Translation service could be used
> if the PPMC think English is a block. But for my personal perspective,
> maybe many people English is not very good, but good enough to understand.
> The community just needs to be guided.
> >>> 3. Serious Branding Issue. https://echarts.baidu.com/ needs to be
> abandoned, including Baidu advertising in this page
> >>> 4. Community build lacked. Developer lacked. From my OSS experiences,
> js project should have more codes contributors, especially for a
> widely-used project like ECharts. Even I know, there are different ways to
> project contributions, but still too less. Only 7 contribute codes over 100
> lines. At the same time, the top 2 contribute 100k+ and 5k+ lines. This is
> more serious issue than just diversity lacked. If the top 2 left or are
> busy in some cases, the project would stop.
> >>> 5. Mentors feel without PPMC and community feedback/support. Mentors
> from Foundations are volunteers to offer help, these help only work when
> you are willing to learn. I don't have so much to say about this, this
> depends on PPMC and contributor team willings.
> >>> 6. Who will do mental lead? The community in Apache should be(but not
> yet for ECharts) diversity, but I hope/think someone from PPMC could step
> out, do the lead. Such as starting the discussion about report, feature
> roadmap, release plan, community event. This could be not a single
> individual, but really require PPMC show up.
> >>> 7. No one update the Incubator status page.
> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/echarts.html No progress shows
> there.
> >>> 8. Chinese and English websites are not the same. As a native
> Mandarin, this issue shows up. This should not happen. Chinese website
> should be a translation version only, nothing more.
> >>> 9. Why master branch codes have a big gap with the release version. In
> release page, https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases, the
> number of commit differences keep > 300. Why? Where is the real release
> code?
> >>> 10. Unofficial release page with unexpected releases.
> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/dist/, list in ZH website,
> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/download.html. But not showing at EN page.
> I don't know what are they.
> >>> 11. A lot of unofficial releases show up in GitHub release page.
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases. In the release
> page, only 4.2.1 and 4.1.0(I assume these two passed the incubator votes).
> In that release page, a lot of releases made by core contributor with
> changelog.
> >>> 12. Official GitHub page pointing download page to 3rd party pages,
> including EN. https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#get-echarts
> >>> 13. Branding issue about `Official Extensions`(
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#official-extensions). If it
> is official, it should be hosted in Apache, but clearly, they are not.
> >>> 14. Branding even IP issue about `Developers Contributions`, listed in
> official GitHub readme.
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#developers-contributions.
> Many individual names listed there, are they part of ECharts?
> >>>
> >>> Suggestions
> >>> Please PPMC could consider to work on the report(even not officially
> for Incubator), which help you to review the project.
> >>>
> >>> All above opinions are myself only.
> >>> I am going to help review if you have report rather than I need to
> spend several hours to review your repo, website and all other resources.
> >>>
> >>> You have many riche experienced mentors, please work with them ASAP.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >>>
> >>> Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Apache Incubator
> >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>
> --
Sheng Wu
SkyWalking, Shardingsphere and Zipkin

Re: [NOTICE] ECharts Issues need to be fixed ASAP, from my shepherd perspective

[Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>]

What do you think about having pages in Chinese that explain why we
prefer to all use English?
d.

On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 07:21, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes. I think so. That is why I am asking them to keep project documents and websites in dual languages.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Danny Angus <da...@gmail.com> 于2019年9月2日周一 下午1:47写道：
>>
>> This raises a question for me, if you are finding it hard to increase contributors, could this be related to using Chinese? I would hypothesise that using English for all things would make it harder for some Chinese speakers to contribute, but much easier for people who don't speak Chinese to get involved with the project.
>> Just my 2c
>> Danny
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 5:03 am Sheng Wu, <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Echarts PPMC and contributor team
>>>
>>> From the ECharts incubator report, Echarts is facing serious issues of following the Apache way.
>>> ECharts has been in Apache Incubator 1.5 years, which is a long time. But the ECharts still acts like a GitHub OSS, rather than Apache project.
>>> In Apache, we are helping project believing the Apache way, rather than convincing or forcing project to do something. The progress of ECharts makes a lot of concerns in Incubator.
>>> As in my personal connection w/ ECharts PPMC members, Wenli and Zhongyi, they still think Echarts want to be part of the foundation, I am doing this review report as a shepherd perspective.
>>>
>>> I hope the following SERIOUS issues could be fixed as quickly as possible, and showing the incubator ECharts community is embracing the Apache Wa
>>>
>>> 1. Mail list communication. Today, Mail list has very little traffic, any decision made is not forwarding to it, even if some discussions happen at GitHub.
>>> 2. Chinese is still widely used in GitHub. I am also a native Mandarin speaker, but the purpose of being in the Foundation is looking forward to wider/global users, so we need English. Translation service could be used if the PPMC think English is a block. But for my personal perspective, maybe many people English is not very good, but good enough to understand. The community just needs to be guided.
>>> 3. Serious Branding Issue. https://echarts.baidu.com/ needs to be abandoned, including Baidu advertising in this page
>>> 4. Community build lacked. Developer lacked. From my OSS experiences, js project should have more codes contributors, especially for a widely-used project like ECharts. Even I know, there are different ways to project contributions, but still too less. Only 7 contribute codes over 100 lines. At the same time, the top 2 contribute 100k+ and 5k+ lines. This is more serious issue than just diversity lacked. If the top 2 left or are busy in some cases, the project would stop.
>>> 5. Mentors feel without PPMC and community feedback/support. Mentors from Foundations are volunteers to offer help, these help only work when you are willing to learn. I don't have so much to say about this, this depends on PPMC and contributor team willings.
>>> 6. Who will do mental lead? The community in Apache should be(but not yet for ECharts) diversity, but I hope/think someone from PPMC could step out, do the lead. Such as starting the discussion about report, feature roadmap, release plan, community event. This could be not a single individual, but really require PPMC show up.
>>> 7. No one update the Incubator status page. https://incubator.apache.org/projects/echarts.html No progress shows there.
>>> 8. Chinese and English websites are not the same. As a native Mandarin, this issue shows up. This should not happen. Chinese website should be a translation version only, nothing more.
>>> 9. Why master branch codes have a big gap with the release version. In release page, https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases, the number of commit differences keep > 300. Why? Where is the real release code?
>>> 10. Unofficial release page with unexpected releases. https://echarts.apache.org/zh/dist/, list in ZH website, https://echarts.apache.org/zh/download.html. But not showing at EN page. I don't know what are they.
>>> 11. A lot of unofficial releases show up in GitHub release page. https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases. In the release page, only 4.2.1 and 4.1.0(I assume these two passed the incubator votes). In that release page, a lot of releases made by core contributor with changelog.
>>> 12. Official GitHub page pointing download page to 3rd party pages, including EN. https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#get-echarts
>>> 13. Branding issue about `Official Extensions`(https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#official-extensions). If it is official, it should be hosted in Apache, but clearly, they are not.
>>> 14. Branding even IP issue about `Developers Contributions`, listed in official GitHub readme. https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#developers-contributions. Many individual names listed there, are they part of ECharts?
>>>
>>> Suggestions
>>> Please PPMC could consider to work on the report(even not officially for Incubator), which help you to review the project.
>>>
>>> All above opinions are myself only.
>>> I am going to help review if you have report rather than I need to spend several hours to review your repo, website and all other resources.
>>>
>>> You have many riche experienced mentors, please work with them ASAP.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>
>>> Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Apache Incubator
>>> Twitter, wusheng1108

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Re: [NOTICE] ECharts Issues need to be fixed ASAP, from my shepherd perspective

[Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>]

Yes. I think so. That is why I am asking them to keep project documents and
websites in dual languages.

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Danny Angus <da...@gmail.com> 于2019年9月2日周一 下午1:47写道：

> This raises a question for me, if you are finding it hard to increase
> contributors, could this be related to using Chinese? I would hypothesise
> that using English for all things would make it harder for some Chinese
> speakers to contribute, but much easier for people who don't speak Chinese
> to get involved with the project.
> Just my 2c
> Danny
>
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 5:03 am Sheng Wu, <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Echarts PPMC and contributor team
>>
>> From the ECharts incubator report, Echarts is facing serious issues of
>> following the Apache way.
>> ECharts has been in Apache Incubator 1.5 years, which is a long time. But
>> the ECharts still acts like a GitHub OSS, rather than Apache project.
>> In Apache, we are helping project believing the Apache way, rather than
>> convincing or forcing project to do something. The progress of ECharts
>> makes a lot of concerns in Incubator.
>> As in my personal connection w/ ECharts PPMC members, Wenli and Zhongyi,
>> they still think Echarts want to be part of the foundation, I am doing this
>> review report as a shepherd perspective.
>>
>> I hope the following *SERIOUS* issues could be fixed as quickly as
>> possible, and showing the incubator ECharts community is embracing the
>> Apache Wa
>>
>> 1. Mail list communication. Today, Mail list has very little traffic, any
>> decision made is not forwarding to it, even if some discussions happen at
>> GitHub.
>> 2. Chinese is still widely used in GitHub. I am also a native Mandarin
>> speaker, but the purpose of being in the Foundation is looking forward to
>> wider/global users, so we need English. Translation service could be used
>> if the PPMC think English is a block. But for my personal perspective,
>> maybe many people English is not very good, but good enough to understand.
>> The community just needs to be guided.
>> 3. Serious Branding Issue. https://echarts.baidu.com/ needs to be
>> abandoned, including Baidu advertising in this page
>> 4. Community build lacked. Developer lacked. From my OSS experiences, js
>> project should have more codes contributors, especially for a widely-used
>> project like ECharts. Even I know, there are different ways to project
>> contributions, but still too less. Only 7 contribute codes over 100 lines.
>> At the same time, the top 2 contribute 100k+ and 5k+ lines. This is more
>> serious issue than just diversity lacked. If the top 2 left or are busy in
>> some cases, the project would stop.
>> 5. Mentors feel without PPMC and community feedback/support. Mentors from
>> Foundations are volunteers to offer help, these help only work when you are
>> willing to learn. I don't have so much to say about this, this depends on
>> PPMC and contributor team willings.
>> 6. Who will do mental lead? The community in Apache should be(but not yet
>> for ECharts) diversity, but I hope/think someone from PPMC could step out,
>> do the lead. Such as starting the discussion about report, feature roadmap,
>> release plan, community event. This could be not a single individual, but
>> really require PPMC show up.
>> 7. No one update the Incubator status page.
>> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/echarts.html No progress shows
>> there.
>> 8. Chinese and English websites are not the same. As a native Mandarin,
>> this issue shows up. This should not happen. Chinese website should be a
>> translation version only, nothing more.
>> 9. Why master branch codes have a big gap with the release version. In
>> release page, https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases, the
>> number of commit differences keep > 300. Why? Where is the real release
>> code?
>> 10. Unofficial release page with unexpected releases.
>> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/dist/, list in ZH website,
>> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/download.html. But not showing at EN page.
>> I don't know what are they.
>> 11. A lot of unofficial releases show up in GitHub release page.
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases. In the release
>> page, only 4.2.1 and 4.1.0(I assume these two passed the incubator votes).
>> In that release page, a lot of releases made by core contributor with
>> changelog.
>> 12. Official GitHub page pointing download page to 3rd party pages,
>> including EN. https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#get-echarts
>> 13. Branding issue about `Official Extensions`(
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#official-extensions). If it
>> is official, it should be hosted in Apache, but clearly, they are not.
>> 14. Branding even IP issue about `Developers Contributions`, listed in
>> official GitHub readme.
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#developers-contributions.
>> Many individual names listed there, are they part of ECharts?
>>
>> Suggestions
>> Please PPMC could consider to work on the report(even not officially for
>> Incubator), which help you to review the project.
>>
>> All above opinions are myself only.
>> I am going to help review if you have report rather than I need to spend
>> several hours to review your repo, website and all other resources.
>>
>> You have many riche experienced mentors, please work with them ASAP.
>>
>>
>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>
>> Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Apache Incubator
>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>
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