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Posted to users@tomee.apache.org by COURTAULT Francois <fr...@thalesgroup.com.INVALID> on 2022/01/31 08:30:19 UTC
When TomEE will support µProfile 4.x and 5.x ?
Hello,
Is there a TomEE roadmap which include µProfile 4.x or 5.x specifications ?
We are still stuck with µProfile 2.x :(
Best Regards.
Re: When TomEE will support µProfile 4.x and 5.x ?
Posted by "Zowalla, Richard" <ri...@hs-heilbronn.de>.
Hi all,
in order to support 4.x, we would need to do some spec work in geronimo
uProfile impls first [1].
It looks like, that MP breaks its API every 6 monats (?), so it is
mostly a vendor-driven game to play here as we need to do the work in
geronimo first to increase the MP level of TomEE.
Gruß
Richard
[1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@geronimo.apache.org
Am Dienstag, dem 01.02.2022 um 07:12 +0000 schrieb Zowalla, Richard:
> Hi,
>
> don't know what needs to be done to support 4.x
>
> From a quick look it seems, that we rely on Geronimo µProfile
> components to support it.
>
> From the release dates of specific components it seems, that there
> needs to be done some work on Geronimo impls first?
>
> I did not find anything about the MP impl status at Geronimo...
>
> Gruß
> Richard
>
>
> Am Montag, dem 31.01.2022 um 09:47 +0100 schrieb Jean-Louis Monteiro:
> > Hi François,
> >
> > It's up to the community and to whoever can work on it.
> > I'd be happy to see such support.
> >
> > I am working on Jakarta EE 9 and 10 at the moment.
> > --
> > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 9:30 AM COURTAULT Francois
> > <fr...@thalesgroup.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Is there a TomEE roadmap which include µProfile 4.x or 5.x
> > > specifications ?
> > > We are still stuck with µProfile 2.x :(
> > >
> > > Best Regards.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
--
Richard Zowalla, M.Sc.
Research Associate, PhD Student | Medical Informatics
Hochschule Heilbronn – University of Applied Sciences
Max-Planck-Str. 39
D-74081 Heilbronn
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Re: When TomEE will support µProfile 4.x and 5.x ?
Posted by "Zowalla, Richard" <ri...@hs-heilbronn.de>.
Hi,
don't know what needs to be done to support 4.x
From a quick look it seems, that we rely on Geronimo µProfile
components to support it.
From the release dates of specific components it seems, that there
needs to be done some work on Geronimo impls first?
I did not find anything about the MP impl status at Geronimo...
Gruß
Richard
Am Montag, dem 31.01.2022 um 09:47 +0100 schrieb Jean-Louis Monteiro:
> Hi François,
>
> It's up to the community and to whoever can work on it.
> I'd be happy to see such support.
>
> I am working on Jakarta EE 9 and 10 at the moment.
> --
> Jean-Louis Monteiro
> http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 9:30 AM COURTAULT Francois
> <fr...@thalesgroup.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is there a TomEE roadmap which include µProfile 4.x or 5.x
> > specifications ?
> > We are still stuck with µProfile 2.x :(
> >
> > Best Regards.
> >
> >
> >
> >
Re: When TomEE will support µProfile 4.x and 5.x ?
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
Hi François,
It's up to the community and to whoever can work on it.
I'd be happy to see such support.
I am working on Jakarta EE 9 and 10 at the moment.
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 9:30 AM COURTAULT Francois
<fr...@thalesgroup.com.invalid> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is there a TomEE roadmap which include µProfile 4.x or 5.x specifications ?
> We are still stuck with µProfile 2.x :(
>
> Best Regards.
>
>
>
>
Open source alternative to training (was: Re: When TomEE will support µProfile 4.x and 5.x ?)
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
> On Mar 15, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Blevins <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I know people feel their time wouldn't make a difference, but when you have 5 or 6 people doing it at the same time, it makes all the difference.
>
> I encourage everyone reading to consider contributing time to his project you love and rely upon. I know it seems intimidating, but you won't be alone and will be learning from industry experts. It's not just good for the project, but it's amazing for you and a secret weapon to becoming an industry expert yourself. All great endings start with humble beginnings. Just one foot forward starts the journey.
I'll add a practical idea for those out there who manage a team and have training budgets.
Keep your money and instead of sending your people to training for a week, send them instead to work for a week on an open source project you rely upon. They will learn from the people who create the technologies you use. Moreover, anything they produce you can actually use in production when you download the next version. Those of us who have ever sent a team to training know there are two costs; the cost paid for the training and the opportunity cost of having your team not working for a week. In the best case scenario of this idea, both costs are eliminated. You get a more adept team with no training cost and ideally code you can use in production.
Now open source is a global affair and that means lag between asking questions and getting answers, so rather than one dedicated week I recommend splitting it up. One day a week over a one month period is great. I recommend that day be Friday so that if the person really gets into it, they can keep hacking over the weekend and stay in the groove.
Unlike training, the learning does not need to stop after that week. The instructors to not go away and the material does not end. The open source project and everyone they get to know will still be there. The learning can continue in their spare time, even increase, if they chose to stay active.
A final recommendation to make this stick. Use the money you would have spent on training to offer a bonus to any of your developers do who remain active after the one-month period where they got company time. The bonus could even be adjusted based on how active: say 100% if active all year; 50% if active for six months after.
I can honestly say that contributing to open source has been the secret weapon to my career. I'm fortunate enough to have been introduced to it when I was 23 and all the best things I've learned have come from working along side amazing contributors around the world. People who volunteer their time to open source are naturally motivated to not waste time and get things done. They want results. Engaging with others teaches them to be team players. Working with people all over the world, in different time zones and with different levels of English, teaches them to get good at communicating over text, not relying on meetings, being patient with each other's ability to communicate, and being a clear communicators themselves.
This is how you pull competency into your team or organization without having to hire a mega superstar at an insane price.
If you were to enact this open-source-alternative-to-training program the people who opt-in and stay active will naturally be the people who rise up through the ranks the fastest. The fact that there are so few employers doing what you do, will make them easier to retain.
This secret weapon can be your secret weapon.
Consider doing this in your team. Consider bring this idea to your team lead.
-David
Re: When TomEE will support µProfile 4.x and 5.x ?
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
> On Jan 31, 2022, at 12:30 AM, COURTAULT Francois <fr...@thalesgroup.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a TomEE roadmap which include µProfile 4.x or 5.x specifications ?
> We are still stuck with µProfile 2.x :(
Our status is that all the specifications come out faster than we can implement them. This is true of both Jakarta EE and MicroProfile. We haven't managed to get out TomEE 9 final which is targeted at Jakarta EE 9.1 compliance and already Jakarta EE 10 is due to release in May. We had to skip Jakarta EE 8 and 9 compliance entirely.
Realistically the project needs more resources and contributors. Being behind doesn't help us get them, so it's very much a catch 22.
I appreciate this is the 7th time you've asked about catching up with MicroProfile specs since 2020 and always get the same answer.
Hope is not lost. There have been at least 2 times in the last 20 years where resources were as low as 1 person active on the project and we managed to turn it around. We managed to ship a Java EE 6 Web Profile certified TomEE 1.0 without any full-time contributors at all.
What we did have, however, is a lot more people contributing in their spare time. Even I had to work in my spare time. I know people feel their time wouldn't make a difference, but when you have 5 or 6 people doing it at the same time, it makes all the difference.
I encourage everyone reading to consider contributing time to his project you love and rely upon. I know it seems intimidating, but you won't be alone and will be learning from industry experts. It's not just good for the project, but it's amazing for you and a secret weapon to becoming an industry expert yourself. All great endings start with humble beginnings. Just one foot forward starts the journey.
-David
Re: When TomEE will support µProfile 4.x and 5.x ?
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
Hi François,
It's up to the community and to whoever can work on it.
I'd be happy to see such support.
I am working on Jakarta EE 9 and 10 at the moment.
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 9:30 AM COURTAULT Francois
<fr...@thalesgroup.com.invalid> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is there a TomEE roadmap which include µProfile 4.x or 5.x specifications ?
> We are still stuck with µProfile 2.x :(
>
> Best Regards.
>
>
>
>