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[codec] Java 8
Hi All,
Now that Codec 1.12 is out, I plan on updating from Java 7 to Java 8.
Gary
Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Benedikt Ritter <br...@apache.org>.
Am Fr., 22. März 2019 um 16:13 Uhr schrieb Gary Gregory <
garydgregory@gmail.com>:
> Hi All,
>
> Now that Codec 1.12 is out, I plan on updating from Java 7 to Java 8.
>
+1
>
> Gary
>
Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 18:56, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
> > becomes a big hassle.
> >
> > Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
> >
>
> I see it the other way around: Why do we want to handcuff new development
> on a dead platforms? For new contributors, this is a huge turn off.
Code written for Java 7 still runs on Java 8+
Java 7 is not dead in that sense.
> Gary
>
>
> > On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 15:31, Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That seems reasonable.
> > >
> > > > On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This comes up from time to time and I can only offer my usual "if you
> > want
> > > > support for a dead version of Java, feel free to provide a PR" We can
> > > > always provide 1.12.1 for Java 7 security fixes or other fixes deemed
> > > > important enough.
> > > >
> > > > Gary
> > > >
> > > >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> +1, but there are considerable projects out there that would want us
> > to
> > > >> maintain backwards compatibility with Java 7.
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi All,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Now that Codec 1.12 is out, I plan on updating from Java 7 to Java 8.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gary
> > > >>
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
If it were easier to maintain branches against various releases of
Java, perhaps this wouldn't be as much of an issue.
Also, philosophically, I'm already at the point where I consider Java
8 to be the "old" version of Java that's considered a bare minimum,
and new/existing projects should be running on Java 12 (or 11) even if
they're not targeting that source level yet. Hearing about people
still stuck with older versions is disheartening.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 14:13, Bruno P. Kinoshita <ki...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Indeed. I worked in a bank and in a research company, where in both at least one department was stuck in an old version for issues with the code base or environment policies/decisions.
> Agree not the best choice, but sometimes developers simply cannot immediately upgrade jvm.
> Some managers may even prefer to pay a vendor (eg oracle) for extra time support.
> B
>
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> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 8:10, sebb<se...@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 19:01, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to know what developers are both stuck in Java 7 (or earlier)
> > and also have the liberty to upgrade any of their dependencies
> > regardless of compatibility concerns. My thoughts are that being stuck
> > in the past for one dependency tends to leak into every other
> > dependency for the same underlying reasons.
>
> There is a big difference between upgrading the JVM and upgrading one
> or two dependencies.
>
> It's much easier to test against a new version of a single dependency
> than to test against a new version of Java.
>
> Changing JVM is akin to asking a business to upgrade from Windows 7 to
> Windows 8 just to use an updated version of one application on a
> system that has many other apps that rely on Windows 7.
>
> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 06:27, Pascal Schumacher
> > <pa...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 22. März 2019 19:56:29 MEZ schrieb Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>:
> > > >On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
> > > >> becomes a big hassle.
> > > >>
> > > >> Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >I see it the other way around: Why do we want to handcuff new
> > > >development
> > > >on a dead platforms? For new contributors, this is a huge turn off.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by "Bruno P. Kinoshita" <ki...@apache.org>.
Indeed. I worked in a bank and in a research company, where in both at least one department was stuck in an old version for issues with the code base or environment policies/decisions.
Agree not the best choice, but sometimes developers simply cannot immediately upgrade jvm.
Some managers may even prefer to pay a vendor (eg oracle) for extra time support.
B
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On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 8:10, sebb<se...@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 19:01, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to know what developers are both stuck in Java 7 (or earlier)
> and also have the liberty to upgrade any of their dependencies
> regardless of compatibility concerns. My thoughts are that being stuck
> in the past for one dependency tends to leak into every other
> dependency for the same underlying reasons.
There is a big difference between upgrading the JVM and upgrading one
or two dependencies.
It's much easier to test against a new version of a single dependency
than to test against a new version of Java.
Changing JVM is akin to asking a business to upgrade from Windows 7 to
Windows 8 just to use an updated version of one application on a
system that has many other apps that rely on Windows 7.
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 06:27, Pascal Schumacher
> <pa...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 22. März 2019 19:56:29 MEZ schrieb Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>:
> > >On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
> > >> becomes a big hassle.
> > >>
> > >> Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
> > >>
> > >
> > >I see it the other way around: Why do we want to handcuff new
> > >development
> > >on a dead platforms? For new contributors, this is a huge turn off.
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 19:01, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to know what developers are both stuck in Java 7 (or earlier)
> and also have the liberty to upgrade any of their dependencies
> regardless of compatibility concerns. My thoughts are that being stuck
> in the past for one dependency tends to leak into every other
> dependency for the same underlying reasons.
There is a big difference between upgrading the JVM and upgrading one
or two dependencies.
It's much easier to test against a new version of a single dependency
than to test against a new version of Java.
Changing JVM is akin to asking a business to upgrade from Windows 7 to
Windows 8 just to use an updated version of one application on a
system that has many other apps that rely on Windows 7.
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 06:27, Pascal Schumacher
> <pa...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 22. März 2019 19:56:29 MEZ schrieb Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>:
> > >On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
> > >> becomes a big hassle.
> > >>
> > >> Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
> > >>
> > >
> > >I see it the other way around: Why do we want to handcuff new
> > >development
> > >on a dead platforms? For new contributors, this is a huge turn off.
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Bernd Eckenfels <ec...@zusammenkunft.net>.
This is a good general assumption that legacy installations do not care about new releases, however there is one quite common problem, if they wait for Commons Bugfixes they will be unhappy if a minor Release no longer works in their environment (and they would have to recompile). That’s why I generally vote for updates only to releases where no Läger number of requested bugfixes is shipped.
Gruss
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Von: Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Dienstag, März 26, 2019 8:01 PM
An: Commons Developers List
Betreff: Re: [codec] Java 8
I'd like to know what developers are both stuck in Java 7 (or earlier)
and also have the liberty to upgrade any of their dependencies
regardless of compatibility concerns. My thoughts are that being stuck
in the past for one dependency tends to leak into every other
dependency for the same underlying reasons.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 06:27, Pascal Schumacher
<pa...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 22. März 2019 19:56:29 MEZ schrieb Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>:
> >On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
> >> becomes a big hassle.
> >>
> >> Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
> >>
> >
> >I see it the other way around: Why do we want to handcuff new
> >development
> >on a dead platforms? For new contributors, this is a huge turn off.
>
> +1
>
>
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
I'd like to know what developers are both stuck in Java 7 (or earlier)
and also have the liberty to upgrade any of their dependencies
regardless of compatibility concerns. My thoughts are that being stuck
in the past for one dependency tends to leak into every other
dependency for the same underlying reasons.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 06:27, Pascal Schumacher
<pa...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 22. März 2019 19:56:29 MEZ schrieb Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>:
> >On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
> >> becomes a big hassle.
> >>
> >> Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
> >>
> >
> >I see it the other way around: Why do we want to handcuff new
> >development
> >on a dead platforms? For new contributors, this is a huge turn off.
>
> +1
>
>
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Pascal Schumacher <pa...@gmx.net>.
Am 22. März 2019 19:56:29 MEZ schrieb Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>:
>On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
>> becomes a big hassle.
>>
>> Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
>>
>
>I see it the other way around: Why do we want to handcuff new
>development
>on a dead platforms? For new contributors, this is a huge turn off.
+1
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
> becomes a big hassle.
>
> Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
>
I see it the other way around: Why do we want to handcuff new development
on a dead platforms? For new contributors, this is a huge turn off.
Gary
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 15:31, Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > That seems reasonable.
> >
> > > On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > This comes up from time to time and I can only offer my usual "if you
> want
> > > support for a dead version of Java, feel free to provide a PR" We can
> > > always provide 1.12.1 for Java 7 security fixes or other fixes deemed
> > > important enough.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> +1, but there are considerable projects out there that would want us
> to
> > >> maintain backwards compatibility with Java 7.
> > >>
> > >>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi All,
> > >>>
> > >>> Now that Codec 1.12 is out, I plan on updating from Java 7 to Java 8.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gary
> > >>
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> > >>
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
I see no reason to update to Java 8 unless continuing with Java 7
becomes a big hassle.
Why penalise people stuck on Java 7 unnecessarily?
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 15:31, Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That seems reasonable.
>
> > On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This comes up from time to time and I can only offer my usual "if you want
> > support for a dead version of Java, feel free to provide a PR" We can
> > always provide 1.12.1 for Java 7 security fixes or other fixes deemed
> > important enough.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1, but there are considerable projects out there that would want us to
> >> maintain backwards compatibility with Java 7.
> >>
> >>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Now that Codec 1.12 is out, I plan on updating from Java 7 to Java 8.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com>.
That seems reasonable.
> On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This comes up from time to time and I can only offer my usual "if you want
> support for a dead version of Java, feel free to provide a PR" We can
> always provide 1.12.1 for Java 7 security fixes or other fixes deemed
> important enough.
>
> Gary
>
>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1, but there are considerable projects out there that would want us to
>> maintain backwards compatibility with Java 7.
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Now that Codec 1.12 is out, I plan on updating from Java 7 to Java 8.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
This comes up from time to time and I can only offer my usual "if you want
support for a dead version of Java, feel free to provide a PR" We can
always provide 1.12.1 for Java 7 security fixes or other fixes deemed
important enough.
Gary
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1, but there are considerable projects out there that would want us to
> maintain backwards compatibility with Java 7.
>
> > On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Now that Codec 1.12 is out, I plan on updating from Java 7 to Java 8.
> >
> > Gary
>
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Re: [codec] Java 8
Posted by Rob Tompkins <ch...@gmail.com>.
+1, but there are considerable projects out there that would want us to maintain backwards compatibility with Java 7.
> On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Now that Codec 1.12 is out, I plan on updating from Java 7 to Java 8.
>
> Gary
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