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Posted to diversity@apache.org by Gris Cuevas <gr...@apache.org> on 2019/05/01 05:13:43 UTC
Re: Revamping the ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Sharan - thank you so much for sharing this.
I went ahead and started the following Design Doc[1] for the survey. The objective is to give structure and cadence to the survey publishing. I see this as a release and we can approach it as such.
Right now, I need help getting into the survey backend to grab all questions and put them in the "Current Edition Questions" section. We can then start editing based in the feedback Sharan shared, and I can outline activities needed before launching.
Who could volunteer to help me get access to the backend and put questions in the design doc?
Who could help us upload the new questions to the backend?
Thanks,
G
[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r9oqJ7Ccm9d6nxWTh6Q6h2PUIemMgR7erIEilxHMkeE/edit?ts=5cc8899a#
On 2019/04/14 10:35:27, Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Gris
>
> Please see my responses inline.
>
> On 2019/04/09 22:58:48, Griselda Cuevas <gr...@google.com.INVALID> wrote:
> > Hi folks - I'd like to kick start the revamp of the ASF Committer Diversity
> > Survey. As agreed in the thread "On Meritocracy" sent to the ComDev lists
> > [1], we want to revamp the survey in order to inform our Diversity and
> > Inclusion strategy.
> >
> > @Sharan - I believe you were the lead on this effort back in 2016, so you
> > input here would be valuable to help us scope the effort. Here are some
> > questions to help us do that:
> > - What's been done to revamp the survey so far? What's the current status?
>
> At this stage not much. I kicked off the idea of re-running and that seemed to get consensus.
> I am involved a little with CHAOSS and they have a Diversity and Inclusion working group https://github.com/chaoss/wg-diversity-inclusion that is in the process of defining what metrics to collect.
>
> I was planning to initially start by doing some research about what others have done and via CHAOSS in October last year I was introduced to Emma Irwin from Mozilla and also Amy Marrich from OpenStack who were involved with their diversity and inclusion efforts. Links to their stuff is here
>
> https://s.apache.org/OVQE
> https://s.apache.org/sAoD
>
> We were all planning to setup a call to discuss things but that didn’t happen as some personal things came up that I needed to focus on. So the current status is that there has been no movement and if someone here wants to pick it up then that’s fine.
>
> > - What tasks are needed so we revamp the survey?
>
> To revamp the survey, some work probably needs to be done on what people want the new survey to contain. I got a lot of feedback around the wording of the original questions and some of the responses we received gave ideas for potential improvements. The gender and ethnic origin questions were the most difficult to formulate so changing these will depend how or if you want to do any comparisons with the first survey.
>
> Also a couple of questions were added that were probably not so much diversity related (eg the one about finding information...)
>
> > - What technology was used to apply the survey?
>
> The survey was done using Survey Monkey. I created an account and we had to pay to upgrade it to be able to have the potential of all 5800 committer responses. That subscription has expired now so if we needed to do it again, we’d need the upgrade.
>
> When we ran the survey the Infra team helped us setup a link so that you needed to login using your Apache ID to access the survey and prove you were a committer, then the Apache ID was dropped an nothing was collected about the person responding.
>
>
> > - How does someone gets access to the survey's backend?
>
> To get access to the backend, you will need the login details to the Survey Monkey account which is managed by the ComDev PMC. I think this access this data needs to be carefully managed and I see you have some ComDev PMC people on this list so they should be able to get access to these credentials.
>
> When we ran the survey we told everyone that
> “The data collected will be used to generate consolidated and aggregated statistics for the Apache Community Development team and the Apache Software Foundation. These details may be published as part of Apache presentations and reports, and made publicly available.”
> The survey was anonymous and even so, not everyone gave their permission to publish anything related to their comments so I ended up paraphrasing it so that people could get the general idea.
>
> We received a lot of feedback which I tried to consolidate into various areas. See below for the feedback we received about Diversity in general and potential survey improvements.
>
> https://s.apache.org/zVwR
> https://s.apache.org/iotN
> https://s.apache.org/dDNn
>
> We did follow up the PMCs of individual projects that were explicitly mentioned to ensure they were aware of the feedback.
>
> I hope this answers your questions and if you need any more information then please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> >
> > Once we have direction in these areas, I can help organize the timeline and
> > next steps.
> >
> > In the meantime, I'd love to hear ideas on topics/questions/areas that
> > weren't included in the 2016 edition [2], with the caveat that we won't be
> > able to add them all since it would result in either a very different
> > survey which will be hard to use to measure change or a long survey which
> > people won't take.
> >
> > Thanks everyone, looking forward to completing this.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5b88a314fd28ec3753fd9aa57fdf815fe9f7a64c5f60fb00e2d25bcf@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
> > [2]
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+Committer+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
> >
>
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Re: Fwd: Revamping the ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 03/05/2019 09.25, Myrle Krantz wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I asked my marketing professor for feedback on our current survey. You can
> see it in the forwarded email below (shared with his permission).
>
> The context of my question was very gender-oriented and so he answered
> accordingly.
>
> He also has ideas about improving the formulation of our questions which I
> plan to pursue with him but won't be able to get into before June.
>
> What do you all think of splitting the survey up and taking one diversity
> topic at a time? It might also allow us to handle diversity topics more
> delicately that aren't solely US-oriented... (contributors living in
> Western Europe with Arabic or Turkish origins for example).
I think this makes a lot of sense! :). If we are enough people, we might
even split into some working groups and work on different aspects, then
coordinate surveys etc so it doesn't overlap.
One good research is often better than ten waffly ones without depth,
and as Hernan points out, different topics will also both attract
different responders and slightly shape the results (whether intentional
or not). If we cast the net too wide, we may end up with nothing.
Perhaps we should start by discussing which aspects we'd like to
research, then percolate that into groups of topics and look at them
individually.
>
> Best Regards,
> Myrle
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Bruno, Hernan <X>
> Date: Fri, May 3, 2019 at 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Revamping the ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> To: Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>
>
>
> Hello Myrle,
>
>
>
> I wrote that comment very quickly, here is a slightly edited version that
> you can share and that would avoid misunderstandings in this sensitive
> topic. You can share this with my name.
>
> From the survey feedback, I see there is a strong interest in “diversity”
> in general, not just gender diversity. However, I think that a survey of
> this nature needs focus. Not because one kind of diversity is more
> important than other, but because I have a strong intuition that
> respondents would answer differently if asked about gender diversity vs.
> diversity in general. While I believe there are commonalities in the
> discrimination and harassment that non-men endure and those of non-white
> individuals, there are also differences, both in the target respondent,
> contexts, etc. One project cannot uncover all the mysteries of
> discrimination and fix everything. Making a survey about gender imbalance
> will teach you more than making a survey about all the diversity gaps,
> because the respondent would be able to focus, understand the context
> better, and provide more information. My suggestion is that the project
> should be about gender diversity, and explain to the community that other
> imbalances are important and will be dealt with separately.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Prof. Dr. Hernan A. Bruno | University of Cologne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>
> *Date: *Friday, 3. May 2019 at 10:21
> *To: *"Bruno, Hernan" <X>
> *Subject: *Re: Revamping the ASF Committer Diversity Survey.
>
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Fwd: Revamping the ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>.
Hey all,
I asked my marketing professor for feedback on our current survey. You can
see it in the forwarded email below (shared with his permission).
The context of my question was very gender-oriented and so he answered
accordingly.
He also has ideas about improving the formulation of our questions which I
plan to pursue with him but won't be able to get into before June.
What do you all think of splitting the survey up and taking one diversity
topic at a time? It might also allow us to handle diversity topics more
delicately that aren't solely US-oriented... (contributors living in
Western Europe with Arabic or Turkish origins for example).
Best Regards,
Myrle
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Bruno, Hernan <X>
Date: Fri, May 3, 2019 at 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Revamping the ASF Committer Diversity Survey
To: Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>
Hello Myrle,
I wrote that comment very quickly, here is a slightly edited version that
you can share and that would avoid misunderstandings in this sensitive
topic. You can share this with my name.
From the survey feedback, I see there is a strong interest in “diversity”
in general, not just gender diversity. However, I think that a survey of
this nature needs focus. Not because one kind of diversity is more
important than other, but because I have a strong intuition that
respondents would answer differently if asked about gender diversity vs.
diversity in general. While I believe there are commonalities in the
discrimination and harassment that non-men endure and those of non-white
individuals, there are also differences, both in the target respondent,
contexts, etc. One project cannot uncover all the mysteries of
discrimination and fix everything. Making a survey about gender imbalance
will teach you more than making a survey about all the diversity gaps,
because the respondent would be able to focus, understand the context
better, and provide more information. My suggestion is that the project
should be about gender diversity, and explain to the community that other
imbalances are important and will be dealt with separately.
---
Prof. Dr. Hernan A. Bruno | University of Cologne
*From: *Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>
*Date: *Friday, 3. May 2019 at 10:21
*To: *"Bruno, Hernan" <X>
*Subject: *Re: Revamping the ASF Committer Diversity Survey.