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Posted to server-user@james.apache.org by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com> on 2004/12/13 18:20:37 UTC
A lot of links in documentation and Wiki do not work anymore!
Hi,
All the links related to Avalon and Phoenix return to the same page that
"Avalon has been stopped".
Under these conditions for a new user is very hard to understand how
things work in James.
Some of the other links that point to messages in mail archives do not
work either (IMHO for links in mail archives, "an inline" of the message
would be much simpler and better). This problems persists however thru'
all Apache projects.
A lot of new users ask them selfs if they should stick with JAMES or it
will be abandoned too.
IMHO you should post a clear statement on the Apache site, about JAMES
position related to Avalon (now that it's abandoned).
Thanks in advance,
Ahmed.
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RE: A lot of links in documentation and Wiki do not work anymore!
Posted by Daniel Perry <d....@netcase.co.uk>.
One thing to note is that just because avalon is gone, doesnt mean you cant
continue to use it/modify it for your own use. One of the many many benefits
of open source software!
Also, it looks to me like its just been split into several projects. Loom
seems to be a direct replacement for phoenix!
Daniel.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Ahmed Mohombe
> Sent: 13 December 2004 17:32
> To: server-user@james.apache.org
> Subject: Re: A lot of links in documentation and Wiki do not work
> anymore!
>
>
> > James will not be abandoned. It's an entirely different situation.
> Glad to hear that. It would be really bad if the only real Java mail
> server would be abandoned too.
>
> > We don't have one yet. It's a non-trivial change to replace
> your entire
> > backend, so we're still discussing how exactly we'll be moving forward.
> What I mean is just a simple message, on the first page with bold :).
> (e.g. here: http://james.apache.org/ in the News block, or in "What is
> It?" block, after "James is based upon the Apache Avalon..." with bold.
> This would be just to calm the "users" :), till a definitive solution
> is found .
>
> Ahmed.
>
>
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Re: A lot of links in documentation and Wiki do not work anymore!
Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
> James will not be abandoned. It's an entirely different situation.
Glad to hear that. It would be really bad if the only real Java mail
server would be abandoned too.
> We don't have one yet. It's a non-trivial change to replace your entire
> backend, so we're still discussing how exactly we'll be moving forward.
What I mean is just a simple message, on the first page with bold :).
(e.g. here: http://james.apache.org/ in the News block, or in "What is
It?" block, after "James is based upon the Apache Avalon..." with bold.
This would be just to calm the "users" :), till a definitive solution
is found .
Ahmed.
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Re: A lot of links in documentation and Wiki do not work anymore!
Posted by Serge Knystautas <se...@lokitech.com>.
Ahmed Mohombe wrote:
> A lot of new users ask them selfs if they should stick with JAMES or it
> will be abandoned too.
James will not be abandoned. It's an entirely different situation.
> IMHO you should post a clear statement on the Apache site, about JAMES
> position related to Avalon (now that it's abandoned).
We don't have one yet. It's a non-trivial change to replace your entire
backend, so we're still discussing how exactly we'll be moving forward.
--
Serge Knystautas
Lokitech >> software . strategy . design >> http://www.lokitech.com
p. 301.656.5501
e. sergek@lokitech.com
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RE: A lot of links in documentation and Wiki do not work anymore!
Posted by Daniel Perry <d....@netcase.co.uk>.
Well, i have no idea about whats happening with regards to avalon, etc. I
think i recall something about james ditching it for the next major release.
But i suspect the next major release of james is a very long way off!
James isnt one of the most actively developed apache projects. It has a
fairly niche market. It's also quite (note in my experience VERY) stable,
and the the standards it supports also havnt changed that much in the last
decade! For this reason james seems to only really get bug fixes/minor
enhancements. I'm not saying its perfect. IMAP/virtual hosting being my
gripes :)
I certainly dont think james will be dropped anytime soon, as a lot of the
people using it support/develop it when necessary.
Daniel.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Ahmed Mohombe
> Sent: 13 December 2004 17:21
> To: server-user@james.apache.org
> Subject: A lot of links in documentation and Wiki do not work anymore!
>
>
> Hi,
>
> All the links related to Avalon and Phoenix return to the same page that
> "Avalon has been stopped".
> Under these conditions for a new user is very hard to understand how
> things work in James.
> Some of the other links that point to messages in mail archives do not
> work either (IMHO for links in mail archives, "an inline" of the message
> would be much simpler and better). This problems persists however thru'
> all Apache projects.
>
> A lot of new users ask them selfs if they should stick with JAMES or it
> will be abandoned too.
>
> IMHO you should post a clear statement on the Apache site, about JAMES
> position related to Avalon (now that it's abandoned).
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ahmed.
>
>
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