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Posted to dev@harmony.apache.org by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> on 2007/09/13 20:00:47 UTC
[website] Google analytics
I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
the most popular pages prominent?).
The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
[1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
Regards,
Tim
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Alexey Petrenko <al...@gmail.com>.
+1 for analytics
2007/9/13, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>:
> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> the most popular pages prominent?).
>
> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>
> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>
> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>
> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Alexey Varlamov wrote:
> I guess you just patched html pages manually? By lucky chance I
> noticed undoing your mods when re-building site and restored them
> before committing.
> Is it possible to include neccessary support to usual workflow - fix
> Anakia template or smth?
Oops, no I just forgot to check in the template change that I made
before regenerating the site. I'll do it now.
Thanks,
Tim
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Nadya Morozova wrote:
> Hi,
> i'm back and willing to help here, if i can get this right :)
>
> from what i see, all we need is automatically add the following after the
> footer of every page:
>
> <!-- Google analytics tracker code -->
> <script
> src="http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js"
> type="text/javascript" />
> <script type="text/javascript">
> _uacct = "UA-1973333-3";
> urchinTracker();
> </script>
>
> i can do that: patch site.vsl file in xdocs/stylesheets, rebuild all pages
> and commit.
> please tell me if i'm missing anything.
Thanks Nadya. I had stylesheet the change in my local sandbox but had
forgotten to commit the xdocs directory too. I've just put it in at
r579509.
If you want to regen the site to get everything back in sync please be
my guest.
Regards,
Tim
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
i'm back and willing to help here, if i can get this right :)
from what i see, all we need is automatically add the following after the
footer of every page:
<!-- Google analytics tracker code -->
<script
src="http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js"
type="text/javascript" />
<script type="text/javascript">
_uacct = "UA-1973333-3";
urchinTracker();
</script>
i can do that: patch site.vsl file in xdocs/stylesheets, rebuild all pages
and commit.
please tell me if i'm missing anything.
Cheers, Nadya
On 9/26/07, Alexey Varlamov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> I guess you just patched html pages manually? By lucky chance I
> noticed undoing your mods when re-building site and restored them
> before committing.
> Is it possible to include neccessary support to usual workflow - fix
> Anakia template or smth?
>
> 2007/9/17, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>:
> > Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> > > Tim,
> > > Thanks for an interesting link!
> > >
> > > I believe Nadya will return from her vacations in two weeks. If there
> > > are no other volunteers to hack our web site right now, we may wait
> > > until her return.
> >
> > Ah, I thought she had been quiet. The code is installed and working.
> > Thanks Alexei.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
> > > On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> ok, sounds like the general consensus is positive, so I'll go ahead
> and
> > >> install it. I'll admit I was hoping Nadya would express an opinion
> too
> > >> since she is the website guru.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >> Gregory Shimansky wrote:
> > >>> +1
> > >>> I support this idea.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tim Ellison wrote:
> > >>>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> > >>>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people
> find
> > >>>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g.,
> are
> > >>>> the most popular pages prominent?).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a
> piece
> > >>>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> > >>>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the
> only
> > >>>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Tim
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Cheers,
Nadya
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Alexey Varlamov <al...@gmail.com>.
Tim,
I guess you just patched html pages manually? By lucky chance I
noticed undoing your mods when re-building site and restored them
before committing.
Is it possible to include neccessary support to usual workflow - fix
Anakia template or smth?
2007/9/17, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>:
> Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> > Tim,
> > Thanks for an interesting link!
> >
> > I believe Nadya will return from her vacations in two weeks. If there
> > are no other volunteers to hack our web site right now, we may wait
> > until her return.
>
> Ah, I thought she had been quiet. The code is installed and working.
> Thanks Alexei.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> > On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ok, sounds like the general consensus is positive, so I'll go ahead and
> >> install it. I'll admit I was hoping Nadya would express an opinion too
> >> since she is the website guru.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> Gregory Shimansky wrote:
> >>> +1
> >>> I support this idea.
> >>>
> >>> Tim Ellison wrote:
> >>>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> >>>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
> >>>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> >>>> the most popular pages prominent?).
> >>>>
> >>>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> >>>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> >>>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
> >>>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
> >>>>
> >>>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Tim
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> Tim,
> Thanks for an interesting link!
>
> I believe Nadya will return from her vacations in two weeks. If there
> are no other volunteers to hack our web site right now, we may wait
> until her return.
Ah, I thought she had been quiet. The code is installed and working.
Thanks Alexei.
Regards,
Tim
> On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ok, sounds like the general consensus is positive, so I'll go ahead and
>> install it. I'll admit I was hoping Nadya would express an opinion too
>> since she is the website guru.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim
>>
>> Gregory Shimansky wrote:
>>> +1
>>> I support this idea.
>>>
>>> Tim Ellison wrote:
>>>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
>>>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
>>>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
>>>> the most popular pages prominent?).
>>>>
>>>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
>>>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>>>>
>>>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
>>>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
>>>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Tim,
Thanks for an interesting link!
I believe Nadya will return from her vacations in two weeks. If there
are no other volunteers to hack our web site right now, we may wait
until her return.
Alexei
On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, sounds like the general consensus is positive, so I'll go ahead and
> install it. I'll admit I was hoping Nadya would express an opinion too
> since she is the website guru.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> Gregory Shimansky wrote:
> > +1
> > I support this idea.
> >
> > Tim Ellison wrote:
> >> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> >> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
> >> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> >> the most popular pages prominent?).
> >>
> >> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> >> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
> >>
> >> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> >> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
> >> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
> >>
> >> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >
> >
>
--
With best regards,
Alexei,
ESSD, Intel
RE: [website] Google analytics
Posted by "Morozova, Nadezhda" <na...@intel.com>.
+1
I'm sorry for such a long response, I'm on vacation.
Cheers,
Nadya
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>From: Tim Ellison [mailto:t.p.ellison@gmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:21 PM
>To: dev@harmony.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [website] Google analytics
>
>ok, sounds like the general consensus is positive, so I'll go ahead and
>install it. I'll admit I was hoping Nadya would express an opinion too
>since she is the website guru.
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>Gregory Shimansky wrote:
>> +1
>> I support this idea.
>>
>> Tim Ellison wrote:
>>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
>>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people
find
>>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g.,
are
>>> the most popular pages prominent?).
>>>
>>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a
piece
>>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>>>
>>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
>>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the
only
>>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>>>
>>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
ok, sounds like the general consensus is positive, so I'll go ahead and
install it. I'll admit I was hoping Nadya would express an opinion too
since she is the website guru.
Regards,
Tim
Gregory Shimansky wrote:
> +1
> I support this idea.
>
> Tim Ellison wrote:
>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
>> the most popular pages prominent?).
>>
>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>>
>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>>
>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>>
>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim
>>
>
>
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Gregory Shimansky <gs...@gmail.com>.
+1
I support this idea.
Tim Ellison wrote:
> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> the most popular pages prominent?).
>
> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>
> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>
> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>
> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
--
Gregory
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Oliver Deakin <ol...@googlemail.com>.
+1 Sounds like useful statistics to have.
Tim Ellison wrote:
> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> the most popular pages prominent?).
>
> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>
> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>
> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>
> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
--
Oliver Deakin
Unless stated otherwise above:
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Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Egor Pasko <eg...@gmail.com>.
+1
On the 0x351 day of Apache Harmony Tim Ellison wrote:
> Yuri Dolgov wrote:
> > I think this is a great idea. I used this tool in my personal blog and found
> > it very much.
> > BTW could I ask you to grant me access for harmony.apache.org analytics
> > results?
>
> Hello Yuri, let's just wait a bit longer to see if anyone objects to the
> idea first.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
> > On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Alex Blewitt wrote:
> >>> I've used it for both my personal site and it's also used for
> >>> EclipseZone. Can be quite useful, especially seeing historical and
> >>> spikes in trends (e.g. does it go up because a new version of Harmony
> >>> is packaged with Eclipse?).
> >> Yep, I was also thinking of the discussions that have taken place here
> >> amongst the website folk about trying different designs, and figuring
> >> out how to best layout the site. Hopefully it would help them with some
> >> concrete data.
> >>
> >>> It involves putting some 'pingback' JavaScript code on the website;
> >>> there may be some people morally opposed to doing that, or to going to
> >>> a site that has it. I suspect Google may be more trusted than other
> >>> sites, but there may also be people who dislike any kind of site
> >>> tracking (but then, they'll use NoScript, right?)
> >> Yep, I have to admit I have a slight unease about 'secretly' tracking
> >> people browsing a website, but I guess it is no different to the data
> >> that is already being collected in the weblogs.
> >>
> >>> Does Apache (generally) have policies in this place regarding such
> >>> tracking or advertising in Apache pages that might come into play?
> >> The option of tracking seems to be left to the discretion of the project
> >> themselves. It has been discussed on a couple of lists, and a number of
> >> well established ASF projects are using it. I don't think there is a
> >> formal policy.
> >>
> >> Advertising is different, and there is a stronger opinion about any form
> >> of advertising or kick-backs to project supporters (e.g. displaying a
> >> logo in return for a license). I'm not advocating that we get into that
> >> game here.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 13/09/2007, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> >>>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people
> >> find
> >>>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> >>>> the most popular pages prominent?).
> >>>>
> >>>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> >>>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> >>>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the
> >> only
> >>>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
> >>>>
> >>>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Tim
> >>>>
> >
>
--
Egor Pasko
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>.
+1
2007/9/14, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> +1
>
> 2007/9/14, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Yuri Dolgov wrote:
> > > I think this is a great idea. I used this tool in my personal blog and
> > found
> > > it very much.
> > > BTW could I ask you to grant me access for harmony.apache.org analytics
> > > results?
> >
> > Hello Yuri, let's just wait a bit longer to see if anyone objects to the
> > idea first.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > > On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Alex Blewitt wrote:
> > >>> I've used it for both my personal site and it's also used for
> > >>> EclipseZone. Can be quite useful, especially seeing historical and
> > >>> spikes in trends (e.g. does it go up because a new version of Harmony
> > >>> is packaged with Eclipse?).
> > >> Yep, I was also thinking of the discussions that have taken place here
> > >> amongst the website folk about trying different designs, and figuring
> > >> out how to best layout the site. Hopefully it would help them with
> > some
> > >> concrete data.
> > >>
> > >>> It involves putting some 'pingback' JavaScript code on the website;
> > >>> there may be some people morally opposed to doing that, or to going to
> > >>> a site that has it. I suspect Google may be more trusted than other
> > >>> sites, but there may also be people who dislike any kind of site
> > >>> tracking (but then, they'll use NoScript, right?)
> > >> Yep, I have to admit I have a slight unease about 'secretly' tracking
> > >> people browsing a website, but I guess it is no different to the data
> > >> that is already being collected in the weblogs.
> > >>
> > >>> Does Apache (generally) have policies in this place regarding such
> > >>> tracking or advertising in Apache pages that might come into play?
> > >> The option of tracking seems to be left to the discretion of the
> > project
> > >> themselves. It has been discussed on a couple of lists, and a number
> > of
> > >> well established ASF projects are using it. I don't think there is a
> > >> formal policy.
> > >>
> > >> Advertising is different, and there is a stronger opinion about any
> > form
> > >> of advertising or kick-backs to project supporters (e.g. displaying a
> > >> logo in return for a license). I'm not advocating that we get into
> > that
> > >> game here.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On 13/09/2007, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> > >>>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people
> > >> find
> > >>>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> > >>>> the most popular pages prominent?).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a
> > piece
> > >>>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> > >>>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the
> > >> only
> > >>>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Tim
> > >>>>
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sean Qiu
> China Software Development Lab, IBM
>
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>.
+1
2007/9/14, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>:
>
> Yuri Dolgov wrote:
> > I think this is a great idea. I used this tool in my personal blog and
> found
> > it very much.
> > BTW could I ask you to grant me access for harmony.apache.org analytics
> > results?
>
> Hello Yuri, let's just wait a bit longer to see if anyone objects to the
> idea first.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
> > On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Alex Blewitt wrote:
> >>> I've used it for both my personal site and it's also used for
> >>> EclipseZone. Can be quite useful, especially seeing historical and
> >>> spikes in trends (e.g. does it go up because a new version of Harmony
> >>> is packaged with Eclipse?).
> >> Yep, I was also thinking of the discussions that have taken place here
> >> amongst the website folk about trying different designs, and figuring
> >> out how to best layout the site. Hopefully it would help them with
> some
> >> concrete data.
> >>
> >>> It involves putting some 'pingback' JavaScript code on the website;
> >>> there may be some people morally opposed to doing that, or to going to
> >>> a site that has it. I suspect Google may be more trusted than other
> >>> sites, but there may also be people who dislike any kind of site
> >>> tracking (but then, they'll use NoScript, right?)
> >> Yep, I have to admit I have a slight unease about 'secretly' tracking
> >> people browsing a website, but I guess it is no different to the data
> >> that is already being collected in the weblogs.
> >>
> >>> Does Apache (generally) have policies in this place regarding such
> >>> tracking or advertising in Apache pages that might come into play?
> >> The option of tracking seems to be left to the discretion of the
> project
> >> themselves. It has been discussed on a couple of lists, and a number
> of
> >> well established ASF projects are using it. I don't think there is a
> >> formal policy.
> >>
> >> Advertising is different, and there is a stronger opinion about any
> form
> >> of advertising or kick-backs to project supporters (e.g. displaying a
> >> logo in return for a license). I'm not advocating that we get into
> that
> >> game here.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 13/09/2007, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> >>>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people
> >> find
> >>>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> >>>> the most popular pages prominent?).
> >>>>
> >>>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a
> piece
> >>>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> >>>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the
> >> only
> >>>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
> >>>>
> >>>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Tim
> >>>>
> >
>
--
Sean Qiu
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Yuri Dolgov wrote:
> I think this is a great idea. I used this tool in my personal blog and found
> it very much.
> BTW could I ask you to grant me access for harmony.apache.org analytics
> results?
Hello Yuri, let's just wait a bit longer to see if anyone objects to the
idea first.
Regards,
Tim
> On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alex Blewitt wrote:
>>> I've used it for both my personal site and it's also used for
>>> EclipseZone. Can be quite useful, especially seeing historical and
>>> spikes in trends (e.g. does it go up because a new version of Harmony
>>> is packaged with Eclipse?).
>> Yep, I was also thinking of the discussions that have taken place here
>> amongst the website folk about trying different designs, and figuring
>> out how to best layout the site. Hopefully it would help them with some
>> concrete data.
>>
>>> It involves putting some 'pingback' JavaScript code on the website;
>>> there may be some people morally opposed to doing that, or to going to
>>> a site that has it. I suspect Google may be more trusted than other
>>> sites, but there may also be people who dislike any kind of site
>>> tracking (but then, they'll use NoScript, right?)
>> Yep, I have to admit I have a slight unease about 'secretly' tracking
>> people browsing a website, but I guess it is no different to the data
>> that is already being collected in the weblogs.
>>
>>> Does Apache (generally) have policies in this place regarding such
>>> tracking or advertising in Apache pages that might come into play?
>> The option of tracking seems to be left to the discretion of the project
>> themselves. It has been discussed on a couple of lists, and a number of
>> well established ASF projects are using it. I don't think there is a
>> formal policy.
>>
>> Advertising is different, and there is a stronger opinion about any form
>> of advertising or kick-backs to project supporters (e.g. displaying a
>> logo in return for a license). I'm not advocating that we get into that
>> game here.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>> On 13/09/2007, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
>>>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people
>> find
>>>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
>>>> the most popular pages prominent?).
>>>>
>>>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
>>>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>>>>
>>>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
>>>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the
>> only
>>>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Yuri Dolgov <do...@gmail.com>.
Hello Tim,
I think this is a great idea. I used this tool in my personal blog and found
it very much.
BTW could I ask you to grant me access for harmony.apache.org analytics
results?
Thanks,
Yuri
On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alex Blewitt wrote:
> > I've used it for both my personal site and it's also used for
> > EclipseZone. Can be quite useful, especially seeing historical and
> > spikes in trends (e.g. does it go up because a new version of Harmony
> > is packaged with Eclipse?).
>
> Yep, I was also thinking of the discussions that have taken place here
> amongst the website folk about trying different designs, and figuring
> out how to best layout the site. Hopefully it would help them with some
> concrete data.
>
> > It involves putting some 'pingback' JavaScript code on the website;
> > there may be some people morally opposed to doing that, or to going to
> > a site that has it. I suspect Google may be more trusted than other
> > sites, but there may also be people who dislike any kind of site
> > tracking (but then, they'll use NoScript, right?)
>
> Yep, I have to admit I have a slight unease about 'secretly' tracking
> people browsing a website, but I guess it is no different to the data
> that is already being collected in the weblogs.
>
> > Does Apache (generally) have policies in this place regarding such
> > tracking or advertising in Apache pages that might come into play?
>
> The option of tracking seems to be left to the discretion of the project
> themselves. It has been discussed on a couple of lists, and a number of
> well established ASF projects are using it. I don't think there is a
> formal policy.
>
> Advertising is different, and there is a stronger opinion about any form
> of advertising or kick-backs to project supporters (e.g. displaying a
> logo in return for a license). I'm not advocating that we get into that
> game here.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
> > On 13/09/2007, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> >> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people
> find
> >> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> >> the most popular pages prominent?).
> >>
> >> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> >> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
> >>
> >> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> >> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the
> only
> >> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
> >>
> >> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >
>
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Alex Blewitt wrote:
> I've used it for both my personal site and it's also used for
> EclipseZone. Can be quite useful, especially seeing historical and
> spikes in trends (e.g. does it go up because a new version of Harmony
> is packaged with Eclipse?).
Yep, I was also thinking of the discussions that have taken place here
amongst the website folk about trying different designs, and figuring
out how to best layout the site. Hopefully it would help them with some
concrete data.
> It involves putting some 'pingback' JavaScript code on the website;
> there may be some people morally opposed to doing that, or to going to
> a site that has it. I suspect Google may be more trusted than other
> sites, but there may also be people who dislike any kind of site
> tracking (but then, they'll use NoScript, right?)
Yep, I have to admit I have a slight unease about 'secretly' tracking
people browsing a website, but I guess it is no different to the data
that is already being collected in the weblogs.
> Does Apache (generally) have policies in this place regarding such
> tracking or advertising in Apache pages that might come into play?
The option of tracking seems to be left to the discretion of the project
themselves. It has been discussed on a couple of lists, and a number of
well established ASF projects are using it. I don't think there is a
formal policy.
Advertising is different, and there is a stronger opinion about any form
of advertising or kick-backs to project supporters (e.g. displaying a
logo in return for a license). I'm not advocating that we get into that
game here.
Regards,
Tim
> On 13/09/2007, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
>> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
>> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
>> the most popular pages prominent?).
>>
>> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
>> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>>
>> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
>> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
>> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>>
>> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>>
>> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim
>>
>
Re: [website] Google analytics
Posted by Alex Blewitt <al...@gmail.com>.
I've used it for both my personal site and it's also used for
EclipseZone. Can be quite useful, especially seeing historical and
spikes in trends (e.g. does it go up because a new version of Harmony
is packaged with Eclipse?).
It involves putting some 'pingback' JavaScript code on the website;
there may be some people morally opposed to doing that, or to going to
a site that has it. I suspect Google may be more trusted than other
sites, but there may also be people who dislike any kind of site
tracking (but then, they'll use NoScript, right?)
Does Apache (generally) have policies in this place regarding such
tracking or advertising in Apache pages that might come into play?
Alex.
On 13/09/2007, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people find
> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> the most popular pages prominent?).
>
> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
>
> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the only
> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
>
> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
>
> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
>
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>