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Draft blog response to top 10 questions
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to
questions 7, 8 and 10.
7. "Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page
breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully
matching MS Office functionality for tables?"
8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
each OSes native widgets?"
10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
from older versions to 3.4.1?"
Thanks,
-Rob
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
<ar...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
>>
>> In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to
>> questions 7, 8 and 10.
>>
>> 7. "Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
>> re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page
>> breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully
>> matching MS Office functionality for tables?"
>>
>>
>> 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
>> each OSes native widgets?"
>>
>>
>> 10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
>> from older versions to 3.4.1?"
>
> I counted 11 mentions to "LibreOffice". Do we really want to give them
> such kind of promotion?
>
> Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know
> nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but
> using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO.
>
> I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO
> related questions, but how representative are these questions when most
> of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could
> really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers
> have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and
> resources.
>
I've seen similar questions come up on the user list, as blog comments
and on the forums. So it is representative of questions from the more
engaged users, who may or may not be representative of the average
user. So there might be some value in answering them in one place, so
we can point users to this post in the future.
-Rob
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
How about this for question 8?
Q: 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
each OSes native widgets?"
A: Visual refresh is part of our continuous effort on user experience
improvement. It is a challenge work to innovate with modern UI vs. support
gradual transformation of huge amount of existing users, leverage OSes
native widgets vs. keep consistent L&F across platforms. Our UX designers
and developers are working together on it, and you will notice some
improvements in 4.0 which is coming around 2nd quarter. The more feedback
we get from you, the better design we can make.
Hope Kevin Grignon and other UX people can add better words...
- Shenfeng (Simon)
2013/1/4 Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>
>
> On 01/03/2013 11:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn't looking, or thinking about AOO for a few months - missed the
>>> switch.
>>>
>>>
>> The old one was for product ideas. The new one was for questions. It
>> seemed like a good idea to keep these distinct.
>>
>> Anyway, it is the top vote getter question there alright..
>>>
>>>
>> Let me know if you see any other questions that should be answered.
>> You may notice that no single iPad/Android question was in the top 10,
>> though there were several of them that were in the top 20. So combing
>> the votes on those gave me an excuse to bump into into the winners
>> circle. I might do the same for the Windows 8 support questions --
>> again, several of them where votes could be combined.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> so far, so good...and sorry I can't really help with 7, 8, or 10
>
>
>
>>
>> Oddly, I can't actually get the csv export from google on the proper
>>> question page - remote services, try back again in 2 minutes please ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the
>>>>> author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into
>>>>> Google Docs.
>>>>> Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a
>>>>> single question ranking is trivial.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their
>>>> popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account,
>>>> such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more
>>>> time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For
>>>> purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than
>>>> devising my own metric.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share
>>>>>
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>> raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd
>>>>>
>>>> ask
>>>>
>>>>> to be sure no one minds.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is
>>>> hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>> //drew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <
>>>>>> drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Rob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> number one asked question, is that what it say?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under
>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>> questions and get:
>>>>>>> "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and
>>>>>>> vice
>>>>>>> versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> please
>>>>
>>>>> fix it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one:
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/**moderator/#16/e=2033e8<http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> get
>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
>>>>>> convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
>>>>>> out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
>>>>>>>> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK. See if the revised answer is good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Revised text is very good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>>> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> attribute
>>>>
>>>>> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> might be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> seemingly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> proceed
>>>>
>>>>> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> careful
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
> --
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> ------------
> MzK
>
> "No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
> -- Aesop
>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 01/03/2013 11:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wasn't looking, or thinking about AOO for a few months - missed the
>> switch.
>>
>
> The old one was for product ideas. The new one was for questions. It
> seemed like a good idea to keep these distinct.
>
>> Anyway, it is the top vote getter question there alright...
>>
>
> Let me know if you see any other questions that should be answered.
> You may notice that no single iPad/Android question was in the top 10,
> though there were several of them that were in the top 20. So combing
> the votes on those gave me an excuse to bump into into the winners
> circle. I might do the same for the Windows 8 support questions --
> again, several of them where votes could be combined.
>
> -Rob
so far, so good...and sorry I can't really help with 7, 8, or 10
>
>
>> Oddly, I can't actually get the csv export from google on the proper
>> question page - remote services, try back again in 2 minutes please ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the
>>>> author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into
>>>> Google Docs.
>>>> Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a
>>>> single question ranking is trivial.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their
>>> popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account,
>>> such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more
>>> time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For
>>> purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than
>>> devising my own metric.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share
>>> this
>>>> raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd
>>> ask
>>>> to be sure no one minds.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is
>>> hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> //drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is
>>>>> the
>>>>>> number one asked question, is that what it say?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general
>>>>>> questions and get:
>>>>>> "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a
>>>>>> DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice
>>>>>> versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin.
>>> please
>>>>>> fix it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one:
>>>>> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to
>>> get
>>>>> the
>>>>>> top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you
>>>>>> already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
>>>>> convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
>>>>> out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
>>>>> page.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
>>>>>>> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK. See if the revised answer is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Revised text is very good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up
>>> so.
>>>>>>> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not
>>> attribute
>>>>>>> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such
>>>>> might be
>>>>>>> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a
>>>>> seemingly
>>>>>>> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match,
>>> with
>>>>>>> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to
>>> proceed
>>>>>>> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be
>>>>> careful
>>>>>>> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
-- Aesop
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wasn't looking, or thinking about AOO for a few months - missed the
> switch.
>
The old one was for product ideas. The new one was for questions. It
seemed like a good idea to keep these distinct.
> Anyway, it is the top vote getter question there alright...
>
Let me know if you see any other questions that should be answered.
You may notice that no single iPad/Android question was in the top 10,
though there were several of them that were in the top 20. So combing
the votes on those gave me an excuse to bump into into the winners
circle. I might do the same for the Windows 8 support questions --
again, several of them where votes could be combined.
-Rob
> Oddly, I can't actually get the csv export from google on the proper
> question page - remote services, try back again in 2 minutes please ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the
>> > author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into
>> > Google Docs.
>> > Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a
>> > single question ranking is trivial.
>> >
>>
>> Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their
>> popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account,
>> such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more
>> time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For
>> purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than
>> devising my own metric.
>>
>>
>> > Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share
>> this
>> > raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd
>> ask
>> > to be sure no one minds.
>> >
>>
>> We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is
>> hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> > //drew
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hey Rob,
>> >> >
>> >> > Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is
>> >> the
>> >> > number one asked question, is that what it say?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general
>> >> > questions and get:
>> >> > "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a
>> >> > DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice
>> >> > versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin.
>> please
>> >> > fix it."
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one:
>> >> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8
>> >>
>> >> > So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to
>> get
>> >> the
>> >> > top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you
>> >> > already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
>> >> convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
>> >> out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
>> >> page.
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Drew
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
>> >> >> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <snip>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > OK. See if the revised answer is good.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Revised text is very good.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <snip
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up
>> so.
>> >> >> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not
>> attribute
>> >> >> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such
>> >> might be
>> >> >> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a
>> >> seemingly
>> >> >> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match,
>> with
>> >> >> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to
>> proceed
>> >> >> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be
>> >> careful
>> >> >> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
>> >> >> project.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
I wasn't looking, or thinking about AOO for a few months - missed the
switch.
Anyway, it is the top vote getter question there alright...
Oddly, I can't actually get the csv export from google on the proper
question page - remote services, try back again in 2 minutes please ;)
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the
> > author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into
> > Google Docs.
> > Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a
> > single question ranking is trivial.
> >
>
> Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their
> popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account,
> such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more
> time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For
> purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than
> devising my own metric.
>
>
> > Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share
> this
> > raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd
> ask
> > to be sure no one minds.
> >
>
> We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is
> hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well.
>
> -Rob
>
> > //drew
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hey Rob,
> >> >
> >> > Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is
> >> the
> >> > number one asked question, is that what it say?
> >> >
> >> > I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general
> >> > questions and get:
> >> > "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a
> >> > DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice
> >> > versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin.
> please
> >> > fix it."
> >> >
> >>
> >> You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one:
> >> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8
> >>
> >> > So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to
> get
> >> the
> >> > top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you
> >> > already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
> >> >
> >>
> >> You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
> >> convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
> >> out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
> >> page.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Drew
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
> >> >> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >> > OK. See if the revised answer is good.
> >> >>
> >> >> Revised text is very good.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> <snip
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
> >> >>
> >> >> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up
> so.
> >> >> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not
> attribute
> >> >> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such
> >> might be
> >> >> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a
> >> seemingly
> >> >> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match,
> with
> >> >> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to
> proceed
> >> >> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be
> >> careful
> >> >> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
> >> >> project.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
> >> >>
> >>
>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the
> author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into
> Google Docs.
> Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a
> single question ranking is trivial.
>
Google Moderator does that automatically. That is part of their
popularity ranking. They might take some other factors into account,
such as how recently a question was asked. An older question had more
time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable. For
purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than
devising my own metric.
> Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share this
> raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd ask
> to be sure no one minds.
>
We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks. So it is
hardly a state secret. I'll add a link to the blog post as well.
-Rob
> //drew
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hey Rob,
>> >
>> > Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is
>> the
>> > number one asked question, is that what it say?
>> >
>> > I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general
>> > questions and get:
>> > "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a
>> > DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice
>> > versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please
>> > fix it."
>> >
>>
>> You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one:
>> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8
>>
>> > So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get
>> the
>> > top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you
>> > already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
>> >
>>
>> You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
>> convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
>> out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
>> page.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Drew
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
>> >> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> > OK. See if the revised answer is good.
>> >>
>> >> Revised text is very good.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <snip
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
>> >>
>> >> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so.
>> >> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute
>> >> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such
>> might be
>> >> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a
>> seemingly
>> >> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with
>> >> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed
>> >> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be
>> careful
>> >> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
>> >> project.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>> >>
>>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
My bad - came back typing and didn't read your last mail - ok, grabbed that
one also. Thanks
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the
> author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into
> Google Docs.
> Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a
> single question ranking is trivial.
>
> Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share
> this raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd
> ask to be sure no one minds.
>
> //drew
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hey Rob,
>> >
>> > Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is
>> the
>> > number one asked question, is that what it say?
>> >
>> > I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general
>> > questions and get:
>> > "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a
>> > DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice
>> > versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please
>> > fix it."
>> >
>>
>> You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one:
>> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8
>>
>> > So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get
>> the
>> > top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you
>> > already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
>> >
>>
>> You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
>> convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
>> out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
>> page.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Drew
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
>> >> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> > OK. See if the revised answer is good.
>> >>
>> >> Revised text is very good.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <snip
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
>> >>
>> >> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so.
>> >> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute
>> >> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such
>> might be
>> >> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a
>> seemingly
>> >> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match,
>> with
>> >> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed
>> >> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be
>> careful
>> >> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
>> >> project.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>> >>
>>
>
>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the
author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into
Google Docs.
Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a
single question ranking is trivial.
Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share this
raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd ask
to be sure no one minds.
//drew
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hey Rob,
> >
> > Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is
> the
> > number one asked question, is that what it say?
> >
> > I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general
> > questions and get:
> > "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a
> > DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice
> > versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please
> > fix it."
> >
>
> You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one:
> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8
>
> > So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get
> the
> > top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you
> > already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
> >
>
> You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
> convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
> out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
> page.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
> >> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> > OK. See if the revised answer is good.
> >>
> >> Revised text is very good.
> >>
> >>
> >> <snip
> >> >
> >> > Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
> >>
> >> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so.
> >> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute
> >> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such
> might be
> >> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a
> seemingly
> >> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with
> >> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed
> >> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be
> careful
> >> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
> >> project.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
> >>
>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Rob,
>
> Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the
> number one asked question, is that what it say?
>
> I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general
> questions and get:
> "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a
> DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice
> versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please
> fix it."
>
You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session. Try this one:
http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2033e8
> So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the
> top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you
> already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
>
You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
convenient. But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
page.
-Rob
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
>> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > OK. See if the revised answer is good.
>>
>> Revised text is very good.
>>
>>
>> <snip
>> >
>> > Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
>>
>> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so.
>> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute
>> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be
>> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly
>> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with
>> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed
>> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful
>> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
>> project.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
Hey Rob,
Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO is the
number one asked question, is that what it say?
I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under general
questions and get:
"Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open a
DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and vice
versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin. please
fix it."
So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to get the
top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to you
already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
Thanks,
Drew
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > OK. See if the revised answer is good.
>
> Revised text is very good.
>
>
> <snip
> >
> > Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
>
> No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so.
> My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute
> blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be
> picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly
> innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with
> increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed
> (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful
> to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar
> project.
>
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
<snip>
> OK. See if the revised answer is good.
Revised text is very good.
<snip
>
> Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
No, Rob, there is not, nor was there; I'm sorry if it was picked up so. My comment was intended as general policy that we should not attribute blame in any direction; I think we are all well aware how any such might be picked up by pro-active supporters of other office suites and a seemingly innocent statement of fact escalated into a vicious slanging match, with increasing ill-feeling on both sides. If the AOO project is to proceed (and hopefully, heal historic breaches) I think we all need to be careful to avoid adverse criticism of others involved in another but similar project.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:36:33 -0500
> Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> First to what Rory was saying on PDF editing, I tend to agree and
>> personally don't see it as a must have feature for any suite - that said,
>> again for myself I'd point out that with ODF-extended file format they can
>> create a PDF/ODF hybrid (whether you think that is a good idea or not..;)
>> but it is the case anyway) and I think worth a mention.
>
> It ought be emphasised that this only allows limited (cosmetic type) editing.
>
OK. See if the revised answer is good.
>>
>> To Ariel's point - I think it's valid (though I disagree that AOO on MS
>> Windows wouldn't know about it) IMO the best situation is to not address
>> LibO at all - I would directly tell folks asking about it to ask at the
>> proper location and that is LibO. I will say the same about LibO resources.
>> Myself I wish that were not the best way, but I think it is. That said, I
>> also hope that AOO and LibO developers end up having a beer together at
>> FOSDEM and exchanging ideas on the code in sessions..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> <ar...@apache.org>wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
>> > >
>> > https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
>> > >
>> > > In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to
>> > > questions 7, 8 and 10.
>> > >
>> > > 7. "Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
>> > > re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page
>> > > breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully
>> > > matching MS Office functionality for tables?"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
>> > > each OSes native widgets?"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
>> > > from older versions to 3.4.1?"
>> >
>> > I counted 11 mentions to "LibreOffice". Do we really want to give them
>> > such kind of promotion?
>> >
>> > Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know
>> > nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but
>> > using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO.
>> >
>> > I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO
>> > related questions, but how representative are these questions when most
>> > of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could
>> > really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers
>> > have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and
>> > resources.
>
> It might be worth reducing the number of specific references to LibO to the bare minimum, and gereralising to stress that AOO code can be and is used by a number of other customised Office suites; we don't have to list them. A general statement of Apache OpenOffice willingness to co-operate should suffice, without casting blame in any direction.
>
Is there anything in the current text that suggests blame?
-Rob
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:36:33 -0500
Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First to what Rory was saying on PDF editing, I tend to agree and
> personally don't see it as a must have feature for any suite - that said,
> again for myself I'd point out that with ODF-extended file format they can
> create a PDF/ODF hybrid (whether you think that is a good idea or not..;)
> but it is the case anyway) and I think worth a mention.
It ought be emphasised that this only allows limited (cosmetic type) editing.
>
> To Ariel's point - I think it's valid (though I disagree that AOO on MS
> Windows wouldn't know about it) IMO the best situation is to not address
> LibO at all - I would directly tell folks asking about it to ask at the
> proper location and that is LibO. I will say the same about LibO resources.
> Myself I wish that were not the best way, but I think it is. That said, I
> also hope that AOO and LibO developers end up having a beer together at
> FOSDEM and exchanging ideas on the code in sessions..
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> <ar...@apache.org>wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
> > >
> > https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
> > >
> > > In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to
> > > questions 7, 8 and 10.
> > >
> > > 7. "Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
> > > re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page
> > > breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully
> > > matching MS Office functionality for tables?"
> > >
> > >
> > > 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
> > > each OSes native widgets?"
> > >
> > >
> > > 10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
> > > from older versions to 3.4.1?"
> >
> > I counted 11 mentions to "LibreOffice". Do we really want to give them
> > such kind of promotion?
> >
> > Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know
> > nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but
> > using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO.
> >
> > I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO
> > related questions, but how representative are these questions when most
> > of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could
> > really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers
> > have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and
> > resources.
It might be worth reducing the number of specific references to LibO to the bare minimum, and gereralising to stress that AOO code can be and is used by a number of other customised Office suites; we don't have to list them. A general statement of Apache OpenOffice willingness to co-operate should suffice, without casting blame in any direction.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
First to what Rory was saying on PDF editing, I tend to agree and
personally don't see it as a must have feature for any suite - that said,
again for myself I'd point out that with ODF-extended file format they can
create a PDF/ODF hybrid (whether you think that is a good idea or not..;)
but it is the case anyway) and I think worth a mention.
To Ariel's point - I think it's valid (though I disagree that AOO on MS
Windows wouldn't know about it) IMO the best situation is to not address
LibO at all - I would directly tell folks asking about it to ask at the
proper location and that is LibO. I will say the same about LibO resources.
Myself I wish that were not the best way, but I think it is. That said, I
also hope that AOO and LibO developers end up having a beer together at
FOSDEM and exchanging ideas on the code in sessions..
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
<ar...@apache.org>wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
> >
> > In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to
> > questions 7, 8 and 10.
> >
> > 7. "Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
> > re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page
> > breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully
> > matching MS Office functionality for tables?"
> >
> >
> > 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
> > each OSes native widgets?"
> >
> >
> > 10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
> > from older versions to 3.4.1?"
>
> I counted 11 mentions to "LibreOffice". Do we really want to give them
> such kind of promotion?
>
> Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know
> nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but
> using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO.
>
> I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO
> related questions, but how representative are these questions when most
> of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could
> really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers
> have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and
> resources.
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
>
> In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to
> questions 7, 8 and 10.
>
> 7. "Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
> re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page
> breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully
> matching MS Office functionality for tables?"
>
>
> 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
> each OSes native widgets?"
>
>
> 10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
> from older versions to 3.4.1?"
I counted 11 mentions to "LibreOffice". Do we really want to give them
such kind of promotion?
Simply recall that most of OpenOffice's user base (Windows users), know
nothing about LO; I understand their need to build their brand, but
using Apache resource to do so doesn't sound fine IMHO.
I know this tries to answers the top asked questions, among those are LO
related questions, but how representative are these questions when most
of our user base does not even know what LO is? These questions could
really be genuine AOO users questions, or simply a way some LO followers
have chosen to promote their brand using OpenOffice brand and
resources.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:46:41 -0500
Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
<snip>
Number 5, about PDF needs a plain statement that AOO and earlier OOo are not intended to be PDF readers/editors, which task is best handled by dedicated tools, although the PDF import extension for AOO does permit minor cosmetic editing.
There is a common misconception that OpenOffice ought open every type of office file; each week on the Forum there are several queries concerning failure to open PDFs in OpenOffice.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/1/4 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> <ar...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 09:45:07AM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> >> Answer 5, as others wrote, could be completed with something like
> >> Drew mentioned... "allows minor (cosmetic) editing of PDF files and
> >> supports saving to a 'hybrid PDF format', i.e., a PDF file that also
> >> contains an editable copy of the document and that can be fully
> >> edited in OpenOffice".
> >
> > The extension that allows this is not being maintained anymore, the
> > binaries available at
> > http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport are from December
> > 2010, any issue with this extension has to be marked as WONTFIX, because
> > we don't release it anymore, ... so I wouldn't mention any feature
> > related to this extension.
> >
>
> OK. I took out the mention of that extension.
>
> I also included content and feedback from Shenfeng and Andrea. I even
> came up with a good response to question #7, about Word table
> interoperability.
>
> I think this post is ready to go.
>
+1.
Ricardo
>
> -Rob
>
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > Ariel Constenla-Haile
> > La Plata, Argentina
>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
<ar...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 09:45:07AM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> Answer 5, as others wrote, could be completed with something like
>> Drew mentioned... "allows minor (cosmetic) editing of PDF files and
>> supports saving to a 'hybrid PDF format', i.e., a PDF file that also
>> contains an editable copy of the document and that can be fully
>> edited in OpenOffice".
>
> The extension that allows this is not being maintained anymore, the
> binaries available at
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport are from December
> 2010, any issue with this extension has to be marked as WONTFIX, because
> we don't release it anymore, ... so I wouldn't mention any feature
> related to this extension.
>
OK. I took out the mention of that extension.
I also included content and feedback from Shenfeng and Andrea. I even
came up with a good response to question #7, about Word table
interoperability.
I think this post is ready to go.
-Rob
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 09:45:07AM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Answer 5, as others wrote, could be completed with something like
> Drew mentioned... "allows minor (cosmetic) editing of PDF files and
> supports saving to a 'hybrid PDF format', i.e., a PDF file that also
> contains an editable copy of the document and that can be fully
> edited in OpenOffice".
The extension that allows this is not being maintained anymore, the
binaries available at
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport are from December
2010, any issue with this extension has to be marked as WONTFIX, because
we don't release it anymore, ... so I wouldn't mention any feature
related to this extension.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 03/01/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
There's a nice variety of questions and good answers.
I suggest that in questions we feel free to spell "Apache OpenOffice"
correctly, avoiding "Open Office" or "ApacheOpenOffice" or "OO" even if
the question contains an incorrect spelling.
Answers 1 and 3 could probably be combined together. Or, as Ariel
suggested, 3 could be worded in a more generic way, the answer is about
collaboration in general.
Answer 4 can include a link to
http://www.slideshare.net/pescetti/cloud-apache-openoffice-based-on-html5 (I
merely uploaded it, load the page for proper credit) which had around
20,000 views so far.
Answer 5, as others wrote, could be completed with something like Drew
mentioned... "allows minor (cosmetic) editing of PDF files and supports
saving to a 'hybrid PDF format', i.e., a PDF file that also contains an
editable copy of the document and that can be fully edited in OpenOffice".
Answer 6 ends in "let us know" but it's unclear to me how people should
approach the project in this respect. Mailing lists? Social networks?
Including the relevant link would clarify it.
There are a few additional questions that should still not remain
unanswered, since even though they weren't the most voted they received
quite a few votes and are important to users. Maybe we could add a
simple list with short one-line answers? Like:
- Does Apache OpenOffice run on Windows 8? Yes. Windows 8 had not been
released yet when we tested Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1, but no
incompatibilities emerged so far.
- Is a portable version of OpenOffice available? Yes. It's called
"X-ApacheOpenOffice", see http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
> 10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
> from older versions to 3.4.1?"
[ This is adapted from
http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/3.4.1.html#AOO3.4.1ReleaseNotes-KnownIssues
]
Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 manage the user profile differently
than previous versions. The user profile contains the user's
customizations and installed extensions, and the new handling helps in
making the OpenOffice startup faster and in reducing the amount of disk
space it uses. The old user profile is not deleted when OpenOffice is
upgraded: it is automatically converted so that users can keep their
extensions and settings. In a minority of cases, especially with highly
customized profiles (many extensions or customizations) the conversion
doesn't succeed. Common symptoms are: frequent application crashes,
problems with dictionaries or thesaurus, OpenOffice starting and
crashing after a few seconds. To solve this, just reset/rename your user
profile as explained in the official OpenOffice forum.
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426
[ And by the way it probably takes ten minutes to write a .vbs file or
equivalent that simply renames the "OpenOffice.org" profile folder into
"OpenOffice.org.old" on Windows... If someone makes it available, we
could include a link to it in the blog post and save a lot of time in
user support ]
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:58 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2013/1/3 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
>>
>>
> Good!
>
> For point 3: "security vulnerabilities that may effect both products". I
> think it should be "affect".
>
> "We've had several cases where a programmer contributed a patch to
> LibreOffice and then turned around and send the same fix to us at Apache?"
> The question mark at the end is wrong.
>
Thanks -- I made those corrections.
-Rob
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>> In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to
>> questions 7, 8 and 10.
>>
>> 7. "Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
>> re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page
>> breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully
>> matching MS Office functionality for tables?"
>>
>>
>> 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
>> each OSes native widgets?"
>>
>>
>> 10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
>> from older versions to 3.4.1?"
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/1/3 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered
>
>
Good!
For point 3: "security vulnerabilities that may effect both products". I
think it should be "affect".
"We've had several cases where a programmer contributed a patch to
LibreOffice and then turned around and send the same fix to us at Apache?"
The question mark at the end is wrong.
Regards
Ricardo
> In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to
> questions 7, 8 and 10.
>
> 7. "Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
> re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page
> breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully
> matching MS Office functionality for tables?"
>
>
> 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
> each OSes native widgets?"
>
>
> 10. "Why is the "User Profile" causing so much trouble in migration
> from older versions to 3.4.1?"
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Rob
>