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Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
I am currently trying to install a program designed to operate on Win XP 32
and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program extracts to the Shared
and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses a SQL database. After converting
the database and installing it on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC connector and
downloaded and installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared folder to
extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
Re: Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
Posted by Felix Schumacher <fe...@internetallee.de>.
Am 09.02.20 um 22:28 schrieb Shane Johnson:
> Attached is a screen shot copy of the files it extracts to the Shared
> folder the classes folder it creates is empty. I do now recall there
> were some similar file names to ones already in the library
Attachments tend to get removed on this mailing list - as has happened
to your image. Could you post the content as text?
Felix
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 11:36 AM Felix Schumacher
> <felix.schumacher@internetallee.de
> <ma...@internetallee.de>> wrote:
>
>
> Am 09.02.20 um 18:46 schrieb Shane Johnson:
> > I extracted the shared folder to my desktop to see what was in
> it. It
> > contains 2 folders Classes and lib, with 24 jar files in the lib
> folder. I
> > did try extracting it to the Libraries in the tomcat tree and
> running the
> > program with no success. I now am wiping the installation of
> tomcat and
> > extracted program and doing a full reload. This next time I am
> going to try
> > to move the Library files in the tomcat 9 directory into a
> folder named
> > shared by altering the directory tree first prior to extracting the
> > program. I think I read in the docs somewhere there is a command
> line that
> > can do this so tomcat knows where to look for the library and shared
> > library files. Any more suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Try to do what Mark suggested :) The shared class loader has been
> "replaced by/merged with" the common loader. The common loader
> holds all
> classes and libs, that are common (shared) across all webapps.
>
> Copy everything (watch out for jars with same/similar names) that you
> found in your extracted shared folder into the lib folder. (If there
> really is a folder called Classes, that contains the class structures,
> copy the files/folders from inside Classes into the top level lib/
> folder.)
>
> It might help, if you post the elements of your shared folder, so that
> others can have a better guess on where to copy those.
>
> If you want to get fancy, you can edit conf/catalina.properties
> and edit
> the property "comon.loader" to include your shared folder. Be sure to
> both entries for the classes and the jar files.
>
> You might want to have a look at RUNNING.txt. There is a
> description on
> how to setup tomcat for multiple installations. Those setups are -
> in my
> opinion - easier to play with, as you are not messing with the
> original
> installation but a minimal shallow copy.
>
> Felix
>
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Konstantin Kolinko
> <knst.kolinko@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> вс, 9 февр. 2020 г. в 02:12, Peter Rader <p.rader@gmx.net
> <ma...@gmx.net>>:
> >>>
> >>>> I am currently trying to install a program designed to
> operate on Win
> >> XP 32
> >>>> and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program extracts
> to the
> >> Shared
> >>>> and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses a SQL database. After
> >> converting
> >>>> the database and installing it on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC
> connector
> >> and
> >>>> downloaded and installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared
> >> folder to
> >>>> extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
> >>> Hm, shared ... do you mean the endorsed folder? From old apps
> I remember
> >> that some jdbc-jars have to be placed in tomcat's endorsed folder.
> >>> I am pretty sure that you could use the JVM/JDK's endorsed
> folder. They
> >> usually have their place in <jdk>\lib\endorsed .
> >>
> >> Endorsed folder is a different beast. Please do not put
> anything there.
> >>
> >> Tomcat 5.5 documentation is still available online (if you know the
> >> address to type it in a browser's address bar) [1] The closest
> analogy
> >> to the "Shared" classloader in current Tomcat is the "Common"
> >> classloader that loads classes from ${catalina.base|/lib.
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
> >> [2]
> >>
> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-9.0-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
> >>
> >> It is possible to reconfigure Tomcat 9 to have a separate Shared
> >> classloader as well, but that is an overkill.
> >>
> >> Also, do not forget about Migration Guides [3].
> >>
> >> [3] https://tomcat.apache.org/migration.html
> >> [4]
> >>
> https://tomcat.apache.org/migration-6.html#Modified_directory_structure
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Konstantin Kolinko
> >>
> >>
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Re: Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
Posted by Shane Johnson <av...@gmail.com>.
Attached is a screen shot copy of the files it extracts to the Shared
folder the classes folder it creates is empty. I do now recall there were
some similar file names to ones already in the library
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 11:36 AM Felix Schumacher <
felix.schumacher@internetallee.de> wrote:
>
> Am 09.02.20 um 18:46 schrieb Shane Johnson:
> > I extracted the shared folder to my desktop to see what was in it. It
> > contains 2 folders Classes and lib, with 24 jar files in the lib folder.
> I
> > did try extracting it to the Libraries in the tomcat tree and running the
> > program with no success. I now am wiping the installation of tomcat and
> > extracted program and doing a full reload. This next time I am going to
> try
> > to move the Library files in the tomcat 9 directory into a folder named
> > shared by altering the directory tree first prior to extracting the
> > program. I think I read in the docs somewhere there is a command line
> that
> > can do this so tomcat knows where to look for the library and shared
> > library files. Any more suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Try to do what Mark suggested :) The shared class loader has been
> "replaced by/merged with" the common loader. The common loader holds all
> classes and libs, that are common (shared) across all webapps.
>
> Copy everything (watch out for jars with same/similar names) that you
> found in your extracted shared folder into the lib folder. (If there
> really is a folder called Classes, that contains the class structures,
> copy the files/folders from inside Classes into the top level lib/ folder.)
>
> It might help, if you post the elements of your shared folder, so that
> others can have a better guess on where to copy those.
>
> If you want to get fancy, you can edit conf/catalina.properties and edit
> the property "comon.loader" to include your shared folder. Be sure to
> both entries for the classes and the jar files.
>
> You might want to have a look at RUNNING.txt. There is a description on
> how to setup tomcat for multiple installations. Those setups are - in my
> opinion - easier to play with, as you are not messing with the original
> installation but a minimal shallow copy.
>
> Felix
>
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Konstantin Kolinko <
> knst.kolinko@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> вс, 9 февр. 2020 г. в 02:12, Peter Rader <p....@gmx.net>:
> >>>
> >>>> I am currently trying to install a program designed to operate on Win
> >> XP 32
> >>>> and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program extracts to the
> >> Shared
> >>>> and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses a SQL database. After
> >> converting
> >>>> the database and installing it on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC connector
> >> and
> >>>> downloaded and installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared
> >> folder to
> >>>> extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
> >>> Hm, shared ... do you mean the endorsed folder? From old apps I
> remember
> >> that some jdbc-jars have to be placed in tomcat's endorsed folder.
> >>> I am pretty sure that you could use the JVM/JDK's endorsed folder. They
> >> usually have their place in <jdk>\lib\endorsed .
> >>
> >> Endorsed folder is a different beast. Please do not put anything there.
> >>
> >> Tomcat 5.5 documentation is still available online (if you know the
> >> address to type it in a browser's address bar) [1] The closest analogy
> >> to the "Shared" classloader in current Tomcat is the "Common"
> >> classloader that loads classes from ${catalina.base|/lib.
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
> >> [2]
> >>
> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-9.0-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
> >>
> >> It is possible to reconfigure Tomcat 9 to have a separate Shared
> >> classloader as well, but that is an overkill.
> >>
> >> Also, do not forget about Migration Guides [3].
> >>
> >> [3] https://tomcat.apache.org/migration.html
> >> [4]
> >> https://tomcat.apache.org/migration-6.html#Modified_directory_structure
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Konstantin Kolinko
> >>
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> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org
> >>
> >>
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Re: Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
Posted by Felix Schumacher <fe...@internetallee.de>.
Am 09.02.20 um 18:46 schrieb Shane Johnson:
> I extracted the shared folder to my desktop to see what was in it. It
> contains 2 folders Classes and lib, with 24 jar files in the lib folder. I
> did try extracting it to the Libraries in the tomcat tree and running the
> program with no success. I now am wiping the installation of tomcat and
> extracted program and doing a full reload. This next time I am going to try
> to move the Library files in the tomcat 9 directory into a folder named
> shared by altering the directory tree first prior to extracting the
> program. I think I read in the docs somewhere there is a command line that
> can do this so tomcat knows where to look for the library and shared
> library files. Any more suggestions would be welcome.
Try to do what Mark suggested :) The shared class loader has been
"replaced by/merged with" the common loader. The common loader holds all
classes and libs, that are common (shared) across all webapps.
Copy everything (watch out for jars with same/similar names) that you
found in your extracted shared folder into the lib folder. (If there
really is a folder called Classes, that contains the class structures,
copy the files/folders from inside Classes into the top level lib/ folder.)
It might help, if you post the elements of your shared folder, so that
others can have a better guess on where to copy those.
If you want to get fancy, you can edit conf/catalina.properties and edit
the property "comon.loader" to include your shared folder. Be sure to
both entries for the classes and the jar files.
You might want to have a look at RUNNING.txt. There is a description on
how to setup tomcat for multiple installations. Those setups are - in my
opinion - easier to play with, as you are not messing with the original
installation but a minimal shallow copy.
Felix
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Konstantin Kolinko <kn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> вс, 9 февр. 2020 г. в 02:12, Peter Rader <p....@gmx.net>:
>>>
>>>> I am currently trying to install a program designed to operate on Win
>> XP 32
>>>> and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program extracts to the
>> Shared
>>>> and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses a SQL database. After
>> converting
>>>> the database and installing it on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC connector
>> and
>>>> downloaded and installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared
>> folder to
>>>> extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
>>> Hm, shared ... do you mean the endorsed folder? From old apps I remember
>> that some jdbc-jars have to be placed in tomcat's endorsed folder.
>>> I am pretty sure that you could use the JVM/JDK's endorsed folder. They
>> usually have their place in <jdk>\lib\endorsed .
>>
>> Endorsed folder is a different beast. Please do not put anything there.
>>
>> Tomcat 5.5 documentation is still available online (if you know the
>> address to type it in a browser's address bar) [1] The closest analogy
>> to the "Shared" classloader in current Tomcat is the "Common"
>> classloader that loads classes from ${catalina.base|/lib.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
>> [2]
>> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-9.0-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
>>
>> It is possible to reconfigure Tomcat 9 to have a separate Shared
>> classloader as well, but that is an overkill.
>>
>> Also, do not forget about Migration Guides [3].
>>
>> [3] https://tomcat.apache.org/migration.html
>> [4]
>> https://tomcat.apache.org/migration-6.html#Modified_directory_structure
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Konstantin Kolinko
>>
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>>
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Re: Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
Posted by Shane Johnson <av...@gmail.com>.
I extracted the shared folder to my desktop to see what was in it. It
contains 2 folders Classes and lib, with 24 jar files in the lib folder. I
did try extracting it to the Libraries in the tomcat tree and running the
program with no success. I now am wiping the installation of tomcat and
extracted program and doing a full reload. This next time I am going to try
to move the Library files in the tomcat 9 directory into a folder named
shared by altering the directory tree first prior to extracting the
program. I think I read in the docs somewhere there is a command line that
can do this so tomcat knows where to look for the library and shared
library files. Any more suggestions would be welcome.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Konstantin Kolinko <kn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> вс, 9 февр. 2020 г. в 02:12, Peter Rader <p....@gmx.net>:
> >
> >
> > > I am currently trying to install a program designed to operate on Win
> XP 32
> > > and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program extracts to the
> Shared
> > > and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses a SQL database. After
> converting
> > > the database and installing it on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC connector
> and
> > > downloaded and installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared
> folder to
> > > extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Hm, shared ... do you mean the endorsed folder? From old apps I remember
> that some jdbc-jars have to be placed in tomcat's endorsed folder.
> >
> > I am pretty sure that you could use the JVM/JDK's endorsed folder. They
> usually have their place in <jdk>\lib\endorsed .
>
> Endorsed folder is a different beast. Please do not put anything there.
>
> Tomcat 5.5 documentation is still available online (if you know the
> address to type it in a browser's address bar) [1] The closest analogy
> to the "Shared" classloader in current Tomcat is the "Common"
> classloader that loads classes from ${catalina.base|/lib.
>
> [1]
> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
> [2]
> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-9.0-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
>
> It is possible to reconfigure Tomcat 9 to have a separate Shared
> classloader as well, but that is an overkill.
>
> Also, do not forget about Migration Guides [3].
>
> [3] https://tomcat.apache.org/migration.html
> [4]
> https://tomcat.apache.org/migration-6.html#Modified_directory_structure
>
> Best regards,
> Konstantin Kolinko
>
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Re: Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
Posted by Konstantin Kolinko <kn...@gmail.com>.
вс, 9 февр. 2020 г. в 02:12, Peter Rader <p....@gmx.net>:
>
>
> > I am currently trying to install a program designed to operate on Win XP 32
> > and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program extracts to the Shared
> > and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses a SQL database. After converting
> > the database and installing it on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC connector and
> > downloaded and installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared folder to
> > extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
>
> Hm, shared ... do you mean the endorsed folder? From old apps I remember that some jdbc-jars have to be placed in tomcat's endorsed folder.
>
> I am pretty sure that you could use the JVM/JDK's endorsed folder. They usually have their place in <jdk>\lib\endorsed .
Endorsed folder is a different beast. Please do not put anything there.
Tomcat 5.5 documentation is still available online (if you know the
address to type it in a browser's address bar) [1] The closest analogy
to the "Shared" classloader in current Tomcat is the "Common"
classloader that loads classes from ${catalina.base|/lib.
[1] https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
[2] https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-9.0-doc/class-loader-howto.html#Overview
It is possible to reconfigure Tomcat 9 to have a separate Shared
classloader as well, but that is an overkill.
Also, do not forget about Migration Guides [3].
[3] https://tomcat.apache.org/migration.html
[4] https://tomcat.apache.org/migration-6.html#Modified_directory_structure
Best regards,
Konstantin Kolinko
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Aw: Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
Posted by Peter Rader <p....@gmx.net>.
> I am currently trying to install a program designed to operate on Win XP 32
> and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program extracts to the Shared
> and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses a SQL database. After converting
> the database and installing it on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC connector and
> downloaded and installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared folder to
> extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
Hm, shared ... do you mean the endorsed folder? From old apps I remember that some jdbc-jars have to be placed in tomcat's endorsed folder.
I am pretty sure that you could use the JVM/JDK's endorsed folder. They usually have their place in <jdk>\lib\endorsed .
Kind regards
Peter Rader
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Re: Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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Mark,
On 2/6/20 6:01 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 06/02/2020 20:32, Shane Johnson wrote:
>> I am currently trying to install a program designed to operate on
>> Win XP 32 and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program
>> extracts to the Shared and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses
>> a SQL database. After converting the database and installing it
>> on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC connector and downloaded and
>> installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared folder to
>> extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
>
> There are several options but the simplest is put anything
> extracted to shared in the lib directory.
IMHO, the proper place to move libraries that were in an old "shared"
folder on a previous installation is the application's own
WEB-INF/lib/ directory, rather than Tomcat's top-level lib directory.
If any of those libraries conflicts with anything provided by Tomcat,
there may be problems with the server if you put them into lib/.
Instead, if you put them into WEB-INF/lib/, then the server will
isolate them to that one application and they will not pollute the
rest of the server.
- -chris
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Re: Installing a program designed for Tomcat 5.5 on Tomcat 9
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 06/02/2020 20:32, Shane Johnson wrote:
> I am currently trying to install a program designed to operate on Win XP 32
> and earlier on to a Win 10 environment. The program extracts to the Shared
> and Webapps folders of Tomcat 5.5 and uses a SQL database. After converting
> the database and installing it on SQL 2017 I added the JDBC connector and
> downloaded and installed tomcat 9 only to find there is no shared folder to
> extract the shared files to. Any suggestions?
There are several options but the simplest is put anything extracted to
shared in the lib directory.
Mark
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