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[DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Hi All
It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
https://s.apache.org/lV9h
Our original 2016 survey was run to:
- help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
- to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are improving or not in our diversity efforts.
So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me know.
Thanks
Sharan
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>.
I would like to help in whatever way I can.
Kenn
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:42 PM Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On Oct 1, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Nick Burch <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > One suggestion I'd make is to review the text of some other foundations
> / tech organisation's surveys, and if we're missing questions they've asked
> or have different incompatible wording, make sure we have that for a
> reason. (Or update ours to match if no reason!). That would help us with
> comparing ourselves to other similar groups, and also would assist outside
> researchers trying to do meta-analysies too.
> >
>
> Agreed... as long as they really are peers. Otherwise, I think the results
> will skew things in a way which makes it difficult for us to have a clear
> and truthful insight on where we stand.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
> On Oct 1, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Nick Burch <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> One suggestion I'd make is to review the text of some other foundations / tech organisation's surveys, and if we're missing questions they've asked or have different incompatible wording, make sure we have that for a reason. (Or update ours to match if no reason!). That would help us with comparing ourselves to other similar groups, and also would assist outside researchers trying to do meta-analysies too.
>
Agreed... as long as they really are peers. Otherwise, I think the results will skew things in a way which makes it difficult for us to have a clear and truthful insight on where we stand.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Nick Burch <ni...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, Sharan Foga wrote:
> It�s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if
> things are changing.
The survey results were used in several presentations last week at
ApacheCon, and I remember them being helpful in past conferences too when
understanding how we're doing. I think we're due an update, so +1
> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey
> questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better
> capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then
> please let me know.
One suggestion I'd make is to review the text of some other foundations /
tech organisation's surveys, and if we're missing questions they've asked
or have different incompatible wording, make sure we have that for a
reason. (Or update ours to match if no reason!). That would help us with
comparing ourselves to other similar groups, and also would assist outside
researchers trying to do meta-analysies too.
I'm also happy to help out where I can :)
Cheers
Nick
Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
Count me in.
FWIW: I will likely be out of pocket mostly this week but will review and comment as I can
> On Oct 1, 2018, at 5:30 AM, Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
>
> https://s.apache.org/lV9h
>
> Our original 2016 survey was run to:
>
> - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are improving or not in our diversity efforts.
>
> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>.
+1, let me know how I can help.
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Subject: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Hi All
It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
https://s.apache.org/lV9h
Our original 2016 survey was run to:
- help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
- to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are improving or not in our diversity efforts.
So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me know.
Thanks
Sharan
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by sv...@gmail.com,
sv...@gmail.com.
Please contact me - I'd be very interesting in contributing to the survey questions.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Owen O'Malley <ow...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:59 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > ...
> > https://s.apache.org/lV9h ...
>
> It's certainly useful to run a survey again.
>
> I suggest modifying one question, "do you contribute to Apache as an
> individual or as an employee of a company".
>
> We insist on people acting as individuals towards our projects even if
> they work on company time, so I think the question can be slightly
> confusing.
>
> Rephrasing it as "do you contribute to Apache on your own time, or as
> part of paid work or employment" would better express what we're
> trying to find out.
>
I like your rephrasing of the question, Bertrand.
One of the metrics that keeps coming up in terms of project health, is what
percentage of a PMC each company has. In particular, when a project has a
PMC where 50% or more works at the same company. The diversity survey
probably isn't the right place, but this question along with which company
it is would be really helpful, if we kept it as part of the Apache user
information.
.. Owen
Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...
> https://s.apache.org/lV9h ...
It's certainly useful to run a survey again.
I suggest modifying one question, "do you contribute to Apache as an
individual or as an employee of a company".
We insist on people acting as individuals towards our projects even if
they work on company time, so I think the question can be slightly
confusing.
Rephrasing it as "do you contribute to Apache on your own time, or as
part of paid work or employment" would better express what we're
trying to find out.
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Swapnil M Mane <sw...@apache.org>.
Hi Sharan,
Thanks for the initiative, please count me in as well.
- Best Regards,
Swapnil M Mane
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:00 PM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if
> things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the
> results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them
> at the link below:
>
> https://s.apache.org/lV9h
>
> Our original 2016 survey was run to:
>
> - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers
> are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> improving or not in our diversity efforts.
>
> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey
> questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture
> the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me
> know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:00 PM Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> I guess you're referencing contributions to building project tracks at
> Apache* and other meet-up events (or do you regard these as 'operational')?
There are many ways we could engage. But we won't know if it's
working if we aren't tracking any metrics.
: o),
Myrle
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>.
Great idea, Myrle.
I guess you're referencing contributions to building project tracks at
Apache* and other meet-up events (or do you regard these as 'operational')?
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President*
*Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer
*Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without privileges)
since 2008*
Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:26 AM Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great idea.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 20:58 Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Would it make sense to add a question about the form of a
> > participant's contribution? (ie, code, marketing, QA, UX, tech docs,
> > logo, organizational, and I know I'm forgetting something important
> > please forgive me) I'd be interested in seeing in numbers how good we
> > are at recognizing non-code contributions with committership.
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Great idea.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 20:58 Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
> Would it make sense to add a question about the form of a
> participant's contribution? (ie, code, marketing, QA, UX, tech docs,
> logo, organizational, and I know I'm forgetting something important
> please forgive me) I'd be interested in seeing in numbers how good we
> are at recognizing non-code contributions with committership.
>
>
>
Re: ���������Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org>.
Hi Everyone
Thank you all for your comments, ideas and suggestions. Thanks also to the volunteer helpers - I will contacting some (or maybe all) of you for help in various areas including reviews of the updated survey.
Just of info – I’ve also been talking to the CHAOSS Diversity and Inclusion working group that are in the process of looking at defining some standard metrics around Diversity. With both my Comdev and Kibble hat on – I think this working group would be great for Apache to participate and have a presence in.
Also I’ve received some feedback and advice via CHAOSS from people at other open source foundations that have run diversity surveys so will see what I can learn from their experiences too.
So the next step is that I’ll work on updating the survey, and use some or all of my volunteer helpers to provide me with some feedback then once we have finalised it, we’ll look to promote it so that we hopefully get more responses this time!
Thanks
Sharan
On 2018/10/05 03:48:17, Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
> +1
>
> Ted Liu,
> ASF Member & Sponsor Ambassador
>
> 2018 年 10 月 4 日周四 2:58，Myrle Krantz<my...@apache.org> 写道： Would it make sense to add a question about the form of a
> participant's contribution? (ie, code, marketing, QA, UX, tech docs,
> logo, organizational, and I know I'm forgetting something important
> please forgive me) I'd be interested in seeing in numbers how good we
> are at recognizing non-code contributions with committership.
>
> Best Regards,
> Myrle
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 9:26 PM Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Agreed. It should not be significantly longer. Even without being
> > longer or differently scoped, it occurs to me that an "Annual
> > Community Survey" may just be better branding and may elicit more
> > responses.
> >
> > I'd be happy to try to help with reviewing and providing feedback on
> > question wording and survey length.
> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 3:09 PM Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > One problem with such an approach is that by lengthening the survey, you
> > > end up with more "drop-outs," i.e., people who don't finish the complete
> > > survey. This means that you have a reduced sample set. I believe the 2016
> > > survey didn't count any partial responses, which is typically good
> > > practice from a quantitative standpoint.
> > >
> > > I'm not opposed to a couple of questions, but we shouldn't take what was
> > > an 8-ish question survey and turn it into a 20-ish question survey. The
> > > 13% response rate we had would likely be halved, if not worse.
> > >
> > > -Joan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Christopher" <ct...@apache.org>
> > > > To: "ComDev" <de...@community.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 1:52:44 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> > > >
> > > > Would it be possible to widen the survey's scope to a broader
> > > > "Community Survey", while still retaining the diversity questions as
> > > > one component, but also including other non-diversity questions
> > > > pertaining to the ASF community at large?
> > > >
> > > > This suggestion comes from some conversations in Montreal, where some
> > > > of us discussed the desire to have some additional feedback from our
> > > > community. For example, one question I remember being discussed in
> > > > particular was something like "If the ASF had more money, what should
> > > > it do with it?" (possible answers: marketing materials provided to
> > > > PMCs, hire more INFRA, provide EC2 credits to PMCs or INFRA for CI,
> > > > publish educational/outreach materials for distribution, other). I'm
> > > > sure we could come up with additional questions for the non-diversity
> > > > component to the survey as well.
> > > >
> > > > Does broadening the scope of this survey to include diversity and
> > > > non-diversity components make sense?
> > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity
> > > > > Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it
> > > > > again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't
> > > > > seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer
> > > > > Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://s.apache.org/lV9h
> > > > >
> > > > > Our original 2016 survey was run to:
> > > > >
> > > > > - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our
> > > > > committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> > > > > - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> > > > > improving or not in our diversity efforts.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the
> > > > > survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to
> > > > > better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping
> > > > > out then please let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Sharan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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回复：Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
+1
Ted Liu,
ASF Member & Sponsor Ambassador
2018 年 10 月 4 日周四 2:58，Myrle Krantz<my...@apache.org> 写道： Would it make sense to add a question about the form of a
participant's contribution? (ie, code, marketing, QA, UX, tech docs,
logo, organizational, and I know I'm forgetting something important
please forgive me) I'd be interested in seeing in numbers how good we
are at recognizing non-code contributions with committership.
Best Regards,
Myrle
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 9:26 PM Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Agreed. It should not be significantly longer. Even without being
> longer or differently scoped, it occurs to me that an "Annual
> Community Survey" may just be better branding and may elicit more
> responses.
>
> I'd be happy to try to help with reviewing and providing feedback on
> question wording and survey length.
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 3:09 PM Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > One problem with such an approach is that by lengthening the survey, you
> > end up with more "drop-outs," i.e., people who don't finish the complete
> > survey. This means that you have a reduced sample set. I believe the 2016
> > survey didn't count any partial responses, which is typically good
> > practice from a quantitative standpoint.
> >
> > I'm not opposed to a couple of questions, but we shouldn't take what was
> > an 8-ish question survey and turn it into a 20-ish question survey. The
> > 13% response rate we had would likely be halved, if not worse.
> >
> > -Joan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Christopher" <ct...@apache.org>
> > > To: "ComDev" <de...@community.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 1:52:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to widen the survey's scope to a broader
> > > "Community Survey", while still retaining the diversity questions as
> > > one component, but also including other non-diversity questions
> > > pertaining to the ASF community at large?
> > >
> > > This suggestion comes from some conversations in Montreal, where some
> > > of us discussed the desire to have some additional feedback from our
> > > community. For example, one question I remember being discussed in
> > > particular was something like "If the ASF had more money, what should
> > > it do with it?" (possible answers: marketing materials provided to
> > > PMCs, hire more INFRA, provide EC2 credits to PMCs or INFRA for CI,
> > > publish educational/outreach materials for distribution, other). I'm
> > > sure we could come up with additional questions for the non-diversity
> > > component to the survey as well.
> > >
> > > Does broadening the scope of this survey to include diversity and
> > > non-diversity components make sense?
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity
> > > > Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it
> > > > again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't
> > > > seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer
> > > > Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
> > > >
> > > > https://s.apache.org/lV9h
> > > >
> > > > Our original 2016 survey was run to:
> > > >
> > > > - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our
> > > > committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> > > > - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> > > > improving or not in our diversity efforts.
> > > >
> > > > So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the
> > > > survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to
> > > > better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping
> > > > out then please let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Sharan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 3, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Would it make sense to add a question about the form of a
> participant's contribution? (ie, code, marketing, QA, UX, tech docs,
> logo, organizational, and I know I'm forgetting something important
> please forgive me) I'd be interested in seeing in numbers how good we
> are at recognizing non-code contributions with committership.
Helping users on the mailing list.
And great idea!
Regards,
Dave
>
> Best Regards,
> Myrle
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 9:26 PM Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. It should not be significantly longer. Even without being
>> longer or differently scoped, it occurs to me that an "Annual
>> Community Survey" may just be better branding and may elicit more
>> responses.
>>
>> I'd be happy to try to help with reviewing and providing feedback on
>> question wording and survey length.
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 3:09 PM Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> One problem with such an approach is that by lengthening the survey, you
>>> end up with more "drop-outs," i.e., people who don't finish the complete
>>> survey. This means that you have a reduced sample set. I believe the 2016
>>> survey didn't count any partial responses, which is typically good
>>> practice from a quantitative standpoint.
>>>
>>> I'm not opposed to a couple of questions, but we shouldn't take what was
>>> an 8-ish question survey and turn it into a 20-ish question survey. The
>>> 13% response rate we had would likely be halved, if not worse.
>>>
>>> -Joan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Christopher" <ct...@apache.org>
>>>> To: "ComDev" <de...@community.apache.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 1:52:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
>>>>
>>>> Would it be possible to widen the survey's scope to a broader
>>>> "Community Survey", while still retaining the diversity questions as
>>>> one component, but also including other non-diversity questions
>>>> pertaining to the ASF community at large?
>>>>
>>>> This suggestion comes from some conversations in Montreal, where some
>>>> of us discussed the desire to have some additional feedback from our
>>>> community. For example, one question I remember being discussed in
>>>> particular was something like "If the ASF had more money, what should
>>>> it do with it?" (possible answers: marketing materials provided to
>>>> PMCs, hire more INFRA, provide EC2 credits to PMCs or INFRA for CI,
>>>> publish educational/outreach materials for distribution, other). I'm
>>>> sure we could come up with additional questions for the non-diversity
>>>> component to the survey as well.
>>>>
>>>> Does broadening the scope of this survey to include diversity and
>>>> non-diversity components make sense?
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity
>>>>> Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it
>>>>> again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't
>>>>> seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer
>>>>> Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://s.apache.org/lV9h
>>>>>
>>>>> Our original 2016 survey was run to:
>>>>>
>>>>> - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our
>>>>> committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
>>>>> - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
>>>>> improving or not in our diversity efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the
>>>>> survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to
>>>>> better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping
>>>>> out then please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>.
Would it make sense to add a question about the form of a
participant's contribution? (ie, code, marketing, QA, UX, tech docs,
logo, organizational, and I know I'm forgetting something important
please forgive me) I'd be interested in seeing in numbers how good we
are at recognizing non-code contributions with committership.
Best Regards,
Myrle
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 9:26 PM Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Agreed. It should not be significantly longer. Even without being
> longer or differently scoped, it occurs to me that an "Annual
> Community Survey" may just be better branding and may elicit more
> responses.
>
> I'd be happy to try to help with reviewing and providing feedback on
> question wording and survey length.
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 3:09 PM Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > One problem with such an approach is that by lengthening the survey, you
> > end up with more "drop-outs," i.e., people who don't finish the complete
> > survey. This means that you have a reduced sample set. I believe the 2016
> > survey didn't count any partial responses, which is typically good
> > practice from a quantitative standpoint.
> >
> > I'm not opposed to a couple of questions, but we shouldn't take what was
> > an 8-ish question survey and turn it into a 20-ish question survey. The
> > 13% response rate we had would likely be halved, if not worse.
> >
> > -Joan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Christopher" <ct...@apache.org>
> > > To: "ComDev" <de...@community.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 1:52:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to widen the survey's scope to a broader
> > > "Community Survey", while still retaining the diversity questions as
> > > one component, but also including other non-diversity questions
> > > pertaining to the ASF community at large?
> > >
> > > This suggestion comes from some conversations in Montreal, where some
> > > of us discussed the desire to have some additional feedback from our
> > > community. For example, one question I remember being discussed in
> > > particular was something like "If the ASF had more money, what should
> > > it do with it?" (possible answers: marketing materials provided to
> > > PMCs, hire more INFRA, provide EC2 credits to PMCs or INFRA for CI,
> > > publish educational/outreach materials for distribution, other). I'm
> > > sure we could come up with additional questions for the non-diversity
> > > component to the survey as well.
> > >
> > > Does broadening the scope of this survey to include diversity and
> > > non-diversity components make sense?
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity
> > > > Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it
> > > > again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't
> > > > seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer
> > > > Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
> > > >
> > > > https://s.apache.org/lV9h
> > > >
> > > > Our original 2016 survey was run to:
> > > >
> > > > - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our
> > > > committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> > > > - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> > > > improving or not in our diversity efforts.
> > > >
> > > > So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the
> > > > survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to
> > > > better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping
> > > > out then please let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Sharan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Christopher <ct...@apache.org>.
Agreed. It should not be significantly longer. Even without being
longer or differently scoped, it occurs to me that an "Annual
Community Survey" may just be better branding and may elicit more
responses.
I'd be happy to try to help with reviewing and providing feedback on
question wording and survey length.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 3:09 PM Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> One problem with such an approach is that by lengthening the survey, you
> end up with more "drop-outs," i.e., people who don't finish the complete
> survey. This means that you have a reduced sample set. I believe the 2016
> survey didn't count any partial responses, which is typically good
> practice from a quantitative standpoint.
>
> I'm not opposed to a couple of questions, but we shouldn't take what was
> an 8-ish question survey and turn it into a 20-ish question survey. The
> 13% response rate we had would likely be halved, if not worse.
>
> -Joan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christopher" <ct...@apache.org>
> > To: "ComDev" <de...@community.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 1:52:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> >
> > Would it be possible to widen the survey's scope to a broader
> > "Community Survey", while still retaining the diversity questions as
> > one component, but also including other non-diversity questions
> > pertaining to the ASF community at large?
> >
> > This suggestion comes from some conversations in Montreal, where some
> > of us discussed the desire to have some additional feedback from our
> > community. For example, one question I remember being discussed in
> > particular was something like "If the ASF had more money, what should
> > it do with it?" (possible answers: marketing materials provided to
> > PMCs, hire more INFRA, provide EC2 credits to PMCs or INFRA for CI,
> > publish educational/outreach materials for distribution, other). I'm
> > sure we could come up with additional questions for the non-diversity
> > component to the survey as well.
> >
> > Does broadening the scope of this survey to include diversity and
> > non-diversity components make sense?
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity
> > > Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it
> > > again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't
> > > seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer
> > > Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
> > >
> > > https://s.apache.org/lV9h
> > >
> > > Our original 2016 survey was run to:
> > >
> > > - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our
> > > committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> > > - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> > > improving or not in our diversity efforts.
> > >
> > > So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the
> > > survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to
> > > better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping
> > > out then please let me know.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sharan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>.
One problem with such an approach is that by lengthening the survey, you
end up with more "drop-outs," i.e., people who don't finish the complete
survey. This means that you have a reduced sample set. I believe the 2016
survey didn't count any partial responses, which is typically good
practice from a quantitative standpoint.
I'm not opposed to a couple of questions, but we shouldn't take what was
an 8-ish question survey and turn it into a 20-ish question survey. The
13% response rate we had would likely be halved, if not worse.
-Joan
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher" <ct...@apache.org>
> To: "ComDev" <de...@community.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 1:52:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
>
> Would it be possible to widen the survey's scope to a broader
> "Community Survey", while still retaining the diversity questions as
> one component, but also including other non-diversity questions
> pertaining to the ASF community at large?
>
> This suggestion comes from some conversations in Montreal, where some
> of us discussed the desire to have some additional feedback from our
> community. For example, one question I remember being discussed in
> particular was something like "If the ASF had more money, what should
> it do with it?" (possible answers: marketing materials provided to
> PMCs, hire more INFRA, provide EC2 credits to PMCs or INFRA for CI,
> publish educational/outreach materials for distribution, other). I'm
> sure we could come up with additional questions for the non-diversity
> component to the survey as well.
>
> Does broadening the scope of this survey to include diversity and
> non-diversity components make sense?
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity
> > Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it
> > again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't
> > seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer
> > Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
> >
> > https://s.apache.org/lV9h
> >
> > Our original 2016 survey was run to:
> >
> > - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our
> > committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> > - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> > improving or not in our diversity efforts.
> >
> > So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the
> > survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to
> > better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping
> > out then please let me know.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Christopher <ct...@apache.org>.
Would it be possible to widen the survey's scope to a broader
"Community Survey", while still retaining the diversity questions as
one component, but also including other non-diversity questions
pertaining to the ASF community at large?
This suggestion comes from some conversations in Montreal, where some
of us discussed the desire to have some additional feedback from our
community. For example, one question I remember being discussed in
particular was something like "If the ASF had more money, what should
it do with it?" (possible answers: marketing materials provided to
PMCs, hire more INFRA, provide EC2 credits to PMCs or INFRA for CI,
publish educational/outreach materials for distribution, other). I'm
sure we could come up with additional questions for the non-diversity
component to the survey as well.
Does broadening the scope of this survey to include diversity and
non-diversity components make sense?
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:30 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them at the link below:
>
> https://s.apache.org/lV9h
>
> Our original 2016 survey was run to:
>
> - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are improving or not in our diversity efforts.
>
> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
:-)
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 06:02 <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> That's great and thanks Kevin!
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 1.10.2018 11:46, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> > I am interested in helping out.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 05:30 Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >> It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> >> so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if
> >> things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or
> the
> >> results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find
> them
> >> at the link below:
> >>
> >> https://s.apache.org/lV9h
> >>
> >> Our original 2016 survey was run to:
> >>
> >> - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our
> committers
> >> are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> >> - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> >> improving or not in our diversity efforts.
> >>
> >> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey
> >> questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better
> capture
> >> the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me
> >> know.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Sharan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by sh...@apache.org.
That's great and thanks Kevin!
Thanks
Sharan
On 1.10.2018 11:46, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> I am interested in helping out.
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 05:30 Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey
>> so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if
>> things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the
>> results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them
>> at the link below:
>>
>> https://s.apache.org/lV9h
>>
>> Our original 2016 survey was run to:
>>
>> - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers
>> are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
>> - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
>> improving or not in our diversity efforts.
>>
>> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey
>> questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture
>> the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me
>> know.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ���������Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org>.
Thanks Ted!
On 2018/10/01 10:05:31, Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
> I'm interested in helping out as well.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ted Liu,
> ASF Member | Sponsor Ambassador
>
> 2018 年 10 月 1 日周一 17:47，Kevin A. McGrail<km...@apache.org> 写道： I am interested in helping out.
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 05:30 Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> > so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if
> > things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the
> > results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them
> > at the link below:
> >
> > https://s.apache.org/lV9h
> >
> > Our original 2016 survey was run to:
> >
> > - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers
> > are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> > - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> > improving or not in our diversity efforts.
> >
> > So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey
> > questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture
> > the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me
> > know.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Posted by Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
I'm interested in helping out as well.
Best regards,
Ted Liu,
ASF Member | Sponsor Ambassador
2018 年 10 月 1 日周一 17:47，Kevin A. McGrail<km...@apache.org> 写道： I am interested in helping out.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 05:30 Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if
> things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the
> results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them
> at the link below:
>
> https://s.apache.org/lV9h
>
> Our original 2016 survey was run to:
>
> - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers
> are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> improving or not in our diversity efforts.
>
> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey
> questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture
> the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me
> know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Running another ASF Committer Diversity Survey
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
I am interested in helping out.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 05:30 Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> It’s been nearly 2 years since we ran our ASF Committer Diversity Survey
> so I think it's about time that we looked at running it again to see if
> things are changing. For those of you who haven't seen the details or the
> results from our 2016 ASF Committer Diversity Survey then you can find them
> at the link below:
>
> https://s.apache.org/lV9h
>
> Our original 2016 survey was run to:
>
> - help us get a picture of our existing diversity as all our committers
> are linked to all ASF projects, and also;
> - to create a baseline measure so we can see if we see if we are
> improving or not in our diversity efforts.
>
> So I think that it would also be good to discuss and review the survey
> questions to see if we can improve them or the phrasing to better capture
> the data. Also if anyone is interested in helping out then please let me
> know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
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