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[PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

DevMattG opened a new pull request, #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048

   # Which issue does this PR close?
   
   - Closes #3478.
   
   # Rationale for this change
   
   `FlightDataEncoder` splits record batches based on a cheap, buffer-memory-size heuristic before IPC encoding. That heuristic can be significantly wrong -- it ignores IPC framing/padding overhead, and undercounts batches with dictionaries or highly skewed row sizes -- so pieces produced by the initial split can still end up well over `max_flight_data_size` once actually encoded.
   
   # What changes are included in this PR?
   
   - After the initial heuristic split, each piece is now IPC-encoded and its *actual* encoded size is checked against `max_flight_data_size` in `FlightDataEncoder::encode_piece_adaptive`. If it's still too large, the piece is re-split using the real size ratio and the sub-pieces are recursively re-checked, so oversized pieces get corrected regardless of why the initial estimate was wrong.
   - Dictionaries are queued unconditionally as soon as they're encoded, independent of whether the record batch carrying them ends up split further.
   - Fixed `split_batch_for_grpc_response`'s batch-count calculation to round up (`div_ceil`) instead of using floor division, which could previously produce one too few batches.
   
   # Are these changes tested?
   
   Yes. Added/extended unit tests in `arrow-flight/src/encode.rs` covering:
   - Repeated/deep adaptive re-splitting under a heavily skewed dictionary size distribution.
   - Adaptive re-splitting with both `DictionaryHandling::Resend` and the default `DictionaryHandling::Hydrate`.
   - A single row whose own encoded size exceeds `max_flight_data_size` (can't be split further, must still be emitted).
   
   # Are there any user-facing changes?
   
   No breaking API changes. 
   


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "Rich-T-kid (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
Rich-T-kid commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753268442

   run benchmark ipc_writer


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "Rich-T-kid (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
Rich-T-kid commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-6332793062

   @DevMattG could you rebase this PR


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "adriangbot (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
adriangbot commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753281320

   🤖 Arrow criterion benchmark running (GKE) | [trigger](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753267044)
   **Instance:** `c4a-highmem-16` (12 vCPU / 65 GiB) | `Linux bench-c5753267044-2536-fcrzr 6.12.94+ #1 SMP Tue Aug  4 08:44:15 UTC 2026 aarch64 GNU/Linux`
   <details><summary>CPU Details (lscpu)</summary>
   
   ```
   Architecture:                            aarch64
   CPU op-mode(s):                          64-bit
   Byte Order:                              Little Endian
   CPU(s):                                  16
   On-line CPU(s) list:                     0-15
   Vendor ID:                               ARM
   Model name:                              Neoverse-V2
   Model:                                   1
   Thread(s) per core:                      1
   Core(s) per cluster:                     16
   Socket(s):                               -
   Cluster(s):                              1
   Stepping:                                r0p1
   BogoMIPS:                                2000.00
   Flags:                                   fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32 atomics fphp asimdhp cpuid asimdrdm jscvt fcma lrcpc dcpop sha3 sm3 sm4 asimddp sha512 sve asimdfhm dit uscat ilrcpc flagm sb paca pacg dcpodp sve2 sveaes svepmull svebitperm svesha3 svesm4 flagm2 frint svei8mm svebf16 i8mm bf16 dgh rng bti
   L1d cache:                               1 MiB (16 instances)
   L1i cache:                               1 MiB (16 instances)
   L2 cache:                                32 MiB (16 instances)
   L3 cache:                                80 MiB (1 instance)
   NUMA node(s):                            1
   NUMA node0 CPU(s):                       0-15
   Vulnerability Gather data sampling:      Not affected
   Vulnerability Indirect target selection: Not affected
   Vulnerability Itlb multihit:             Not affected
   Vulnerability L1tf:                      Not affected
   Vulnerability Mds:                       Not affected
   Vulnerability Meltdown:                  Not affected
   Vulnerability Mmio stale data:           Not affected
   Vulnerability Reg file data sampling:    Not affected
   Vulnerability Retbleed:                  Not affected
   Vulnerability Spec rstack overflow:      Not affected
   Vulnerability Spec store bypass:         Mitigation; Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
   Vulnerability Spectre v1:                Mitigation; __user pointer sanitization
   Vulnerability Spectre v2:                Mitigation; CSV2, BHB
   Vulnerability Srbds:                     Not affected
   Vulnerability Tsa:                       Not affected
   Vulnerability Tsx async abort:           Not affected
   Vulnerability Vmscape:                   Not affected
   ```
   
   </details>
   
   Comparing flight/adaptive-grpc-response-splitting (68c48e94b0bde0b44fb4645730ecb215118f66d1) to f9e02ba (merge-base) [diff](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/compare/f9e02ba76ad11e1380b559735ac912c602b604fb..68c48e94b0bde0b44fb4645730ecb215118f66d1)
   
   <details><summary>Run configuration</summary>
   
   ```yaml
   run benchmark ipc_writer
   ```
   
   </details>
   
   BENCH_COMMAND=cargo bench --features=arrow,async,test_common,experimental,object_store --bench ipc_writer
   Results will be posted here when complete
   
   ---
   [File an issue](https://github.com/adriangb/datafusion-benchmarking/issues) against this benchmark runner


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "adriangbot (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
adriangbot commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753302903

   🤖 Arrow criterion benchmark completed (GKE) | [trigger](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753267044)
   
   **Instance:** `c4a-highmem-16` (12 vCPU / 65 GiB)
   
   Comparing flight/adaptive-grpc-response-splitting (68c48e94b0bde0b44fb4645730ecb215118f66d1) to f9e02ba (merge-base) [diff](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/compare/f9e02ba76ad11e1380b559735ac912c602b604fb..68c48e94b0bde0b44fb4645730ecb215118f66d1)
   
   <details><summary>Run configuration</summary>
   
   ```yaml
   run benchmark ipc_writer
   ```
   
   </details>
   
   <details><summary>CPU Details (lscpu)</summary>
   
   ```
   Architecture:                            aarch64
   CPU op-mode(s):                          64-bit
   Byte Order:                              Little Endian
   CPU(s):                                  16
   On-line CPU(s) list:                     0-15
   Vendor ID:                               ARM
   Model name:                              Neoverse-V2
   Model:                                   1
   Thread(s) per core:                      1
   Core(s) per cluster:                     16
   Socket(s):                               -
   Cluster(s):                              1
   Stepping:                                r0p1
   BogoMIPS:                                2000.00
   Flags:                                   fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32 atomics fphp asimdhp cpuid asimdrdm jscvt fcma lrcpc dcpop sha3 sm3 sm4 asimddp sha512 sve asimdfhm dit uscat ilrcpc flagm sb paca pacg dcpodp sve2 sveaes svepmull svebitperm svesha3 svesm4 flagm2 frint svei8mm svebf16 i8mm bf16 dgh rng bti
   L1d cache:                               1 MiB (16 instances)
   L1i cache:                               1 MiB (16 instances)
   L2 cache:                                32 MiB (16 instances)
   L3 cache:                                80 MiB (1 instance)
   NUMA node(s):                            1
   NUMA node0 CPU(s):                       0-15
   Vulnerability Gather data sampling:      Not affected
   Vulnerability Indirect target selection: Not affected
   Vulnerability Itlb multihit:             Not affected
   Vulnerability L1tf:                      Not affected
   Vulnerability Mds:                       Not affected
   Vulnerability Meltdown:                  Not affected
   Vulnerability Mmio stale data:           Not affected
   Vulnerability Reg file data sampling:    Not affected
   Vulnerability Retbleed:                  Not affected
   Vulnerability Spec rstack overflow:      Not affected
   Vulnerability Spec store bypass:         Mitigation; Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
   Vulnerability Spectre v1:                Mitigation; __user pointer sanitization
   Vulnerability Spectre v2:                Mitigation; CSV2, BHB
   Vulnerability Srbds:                     Not affected
   Vulnerability Tsa:                       Not affected
   Vulnerability Tsx async abort:           Not affected
   Vulnerability Vmscape:                   Not affected
   ```
   
   </details>
   
   <details><summary>Details</summary>
   <p>
   
   ```
   group                                                         flight_adaptive-grpc-response-splitting    main
   -----                                                         ---------------------------------------    ----
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/FileWriter/write_10                   1.00     89.9±0.52µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     89.7±0.51µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/FileWriter/write_10/dict/delta        1.00    153.8±3.72µs        ? ?/sec        1.00    154.5±3.36µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamEncoder/encode_10               1.00     22.1±0.18µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     22.1±0.29µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamEncoder/encode_10/dict          1.03     69.0±0.47µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     66.9±4.28µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamEncoder/encode_10/dict/delta    1.00    131.5±3.60µs        ? ?/sec        1.03    135.1±3.40µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamEncoder/encode_10/zstd          1.00      7.3±0.03ms        ? ?/sec        1.00      7.2±0.04ms        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamWriter/write_10                 1.02     87.8±0.48µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     86.4±0.84µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamWriter/write_10/dict            1.22     87.5±1.17µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     71.7±0.40µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamWriter/write_10/dict/delta      1.00    147.1±3.13µs        ? ?/sec        1.05    154.9±4.36µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamWriter/write_10/zstd            1.00      7.2±0.03ms        ? ?/sec        1.00      7.2±0.04ms        ? ?/sec
   ```
   
   </p>
   </details>
   
   <details><summary>Resource Usage</summary>
   
   **base (merge-base)**
   | Metric | Value |
   |--------|-------|
   | Wall time | 110.0s |
   | Peak memory | 12.5 MiB |
   | Avg memory | 10.5 MiB |
   | CPU user | 105.6s |
   | CPU sys | 0.0s |
   | Peak spill | 0 B |
   
   **branch**
   | Metric | Value |
   |--------|-------|
   | Wall time | 110.0s |
   | Peak memory | 12.5 MiB |
   | Avg memory | 10.5 MiB |
   | CPU user | 106.1s |
   | CPU sys | 0.0s |
   | Peak spill | 0 B |
   </details>
   
   
   ---
   [File an issue](https://github.com/adriangb/datafusion-benchmarking/issues) against this benchmark runner


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "Rich-T-kid (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
Rich-T-kid commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753267044

   run benchmark ipc_writer


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "Rich-T-kid (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
Rich-T-kid commented on code in PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#discussion_r4058352124


##########
arrow-flight/src/encode.rs:
##########
@@ -2034,9 +2061,9 @@ mod tests {
         let array = StringArray::from_iter_values((0..1024).map(|i| "*".repeat(i)));
         let batch = RecordBatch::try_from_iter(vec![("data", Arc::new(array) as _)]).unwrap();
 
-        // overage is much higher than ideal
+        // improved by adaptively re-splitting on the actual encoded size
         // https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3478

Review Comment:
   if this PR closes this issue we can remove this comment



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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "DevMattG (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
DevMattG commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-6335701424

   > @DevMattG could you rebase this PR
   
   Done. Please let me know if there's something else I should do. Thanks!


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "adriangbot (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
adriangbot commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753308261

   🤖 Arrow criterion benchmark completed (GKE) | [trigger](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753268442)
   
   **Instance:** `c4a-highmem-16` (12 vCPU / 65 GiB)
   
   Comparing flight/adaptive-grpc-response-splitting (68c48e94b0bde0b44fb4645730ecb215118f66d1) to f9e02ba (merge-base) [diff](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/compare/f9e02ba76ad11e1380b559735ac912c602b604fb..68c48e94b0bde0b44fb4645730ecb215118f66d1)
   
   <details><summary>Run configuration</summary>
   
   ```yaml
   run benchmark ipc_writer
   ```
   
   </details>
   
   <details><summary>CPU Details (lscpu)</summary>
   
   ```
   Architecture:                            aarch64
   CPU op-mode(s):                          64-bit
   Byte Order:                              Little Endian
   CPU(s):                                  16
   On-line CPU(s) list:                     0-15
   Vendor ID:                               ARM
   Model name:                              Neoverse-V2
   Model:                                   1
   Thread(s) per core:                      1
   Core(s) per cluster:                     16
   Socket(s):                               -
   Cluster(s):                              1
   Stepping:                                r0p1
   BogoMIPS:                                2000.00
   Flags:                                   fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32 atomics fphp asimdhp cpuid asimdrdm jscvt fcma lrcpc dcpop sha3 sm3 sm4 asimddp sha512 sve asimdfhm dit uscat ilrcpc flagm sb paca pacg dcpodp sve2 sveaes svepmull svebitperm svesha3 svesm4 flagm2 frint svei8mm svebf16 i8mm bf16 dgh rng bti
   L1d cache:                               1 MiB (16 instances)
   L1i cache:                               1 MiB (16 instances)
   L2 cache:                                32 MiB (16 instances)
   L3 cache:                                80 MiB (1 instance)
   NUMA node(s):                            1
   NUMA node0 CPU(s):                       0-15
   Vulnerability Gather data sampling:      Not affected
   Vulnerability Indirect target selection: Not affected
   Vulnerability Itlb multihit:             Not affected
   Vulnerability L1tf:                      Not affected
   Vulnerability Mds:                       Not affected
   Vulnerability Meltdown:                  Not affected
   Vulnerability Mmio stale data:           Not affected
   Vulnerability Reg file data sampling:    Not affected
   Vulnerability Retbleed:                  Not affected
   Vulnerability Spec rstack overflow:      Not affected
   Vulnerability Spec store bypass:         Mitigation; Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
   Vulnerability Spectre v1:                Mitigation; __user pointer sanitization
   Vulnerability Spectre v2:                Mitigation; CSV2, BHB
   Vulnerability Srbds:                     Not affected
   Vulnerability Tsa:                       Not affected
   Vulnerability Tsx async abort:           Not affected
   Vulnerability Vmscape:                   Not affected
   ```
   
   </details>
   
   <details><summary>Details</summary>
   <p>
   
   ```
   group                                                         flight_adaptive-grpc-response-splitting    main
   -----                                                         ---------------------------------------    ----
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/FileWriter/write_10                   1.02     90.1±0.58µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     88.4±0.30µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/FileWriter/write_10/dict/delta        1.01    149.9±3.12µs        ? ?/sec        1.00    148.1±2.95µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamEncoder/encode_10               1.00     22.3±0.22µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     22.2±0.34µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamEncoder/encode_10/dict          1.19     67.6±0.45µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     56.9±5.35µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamEncoder/encode_10/dict/delta    1.00    128.0±3.25µs        ? ?/sec        1.03    131.2±2.81µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamEncoder/encode_10/zstd          1.00      7.2±0.03ms        ? ?/sec        1.00      7.1±0.03ms        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamWriter/write_10                 1.03     88.1±0.33µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     85.8±0.47µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamWriter/write_10/dict            1.02     86.6±0.92µs        ? ?/sec        1.00     84.7±0.40µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamWriter/write_10/dict/delta      1.00    144.0±3.08µs        ? ?/sec        1.03    148.8±3.91µs        ? ?/sec
   arrow_ipc_stream_writer/StreamWriter/write_10/zstd            1.00      7.2±0.04ms        ? ?/sec        1.00      7.2±0.04ms        ? ?/sec
   ```
   
   </p>
   </details>
   
   <details><summary>Resource Usage</summary>
   
   **base (merge-base)**
   | Metric | Value |
   |--------|-------|
   | Wall time | 110.0s |
   | Peak memory | 12.6 MiB |
   | Avg memory | 10.5 MiB |
   | CPU user | 105.2s |
   | CPU sys | 0.0s |
   | Peak spill | 0 B |
   
   **branch**
   | Metric | Value |
   |--------|-------|
   | Wall time | 110.0s |
   | Peak memory | 12.5 MiB |
   | Avg memory | 10.4 MiB |
   | CPU user | 105.1s |
   | CPU sys | 0.0s |
   | Peak spill | 0 B |
   </details>
   
   
   ---
   [File an issue](https://github.com/adriangb/datafusion-benchmarking/issues) against this benchmark runner


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "adriangbot (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
adriangbot commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753287366

   🤖 Arrow criterion benchmark running (GKE) | [trigger](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5753268442)
   **Instance:** `c4a-highmem-16` (12 vCPU / 65 GiB) | `Linux bench-c5753268442-2537-g7bdf 6.12.94+ #1 SMP Tue Aug  4 08:44:15 UTC 2026 aarch64 GNU/Linux`
   <details><summary>CPU Details (lscpu)</summary>
   
   ```
   Architecture:                            aarch64
   CPU op-mode(s):                          64-bit
   Byte Order:                              Little Endian
   CPU(s):                                  16
   On-line CPU(s) list:                     0-15
   Vendor ID:                               ARM
   Model name:                              Neoverse-V2
   Model:                                   1
   Thread(s) per core:                      1
   Core(s) per cluster:                     16
   Socket(s):                               -
   Cluster(s):                              1
   Stepping:                                r0p1
   BogoMIPS:                                2000.00
   Flags:                                   fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32 atomics fphp asimdhp cpuid asimdrdm jscvt fcma lrcpc dcpop sha3 sm3 sm4 asimddp sha512 sve asimdfhm dit uscat ilrcpc flagm sb paca pacg dcpodp sve2 sveaes svepmull svebitperm svesha3 svesm4 flagm2 frint svei8mm svebf16 i8mm bf16 dgh rng bti
   L1d cache:                               1 MiB (16 instances)
   L1i cache:                               1 MiB (16 instances)
   L2 cache:                                32 MiB (16 instances)
   L3 cache:                                80 MiB (1 instance)
   NUMA node(s):                            1
   NUMA node0 CPU(s):                       0-15
   Vulnerability Gather data sampling:      Not affected
   Vulnerability Indirect target selection: Not affected
   Vulnerability Itlb multihit:             Not affected
   Vulnerability L1tf:                      Not affected
   Vulnerability Mds:                       Not affected
   Vulnerability Meltdown:                  Not affected
   Vulnerability Mmio stale data:           Not affected
   Vulnerability Reg file data sampling:    Not affected
   Vulnerability Retbleed:                  Not affected
   Vulnerability Spec rstack overflow:      Not affected
   Vulnerability Spec store bypass:         Mitigation; Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
   Vulnerability Spectre v1:                Mitigation; __user pointer sanitization
   Vulnerability Spectre v2:                Mitigation; CSV2, BHB
   Vulnerability Srbds:                     Not affected
   Vulnerability Tsa:                       Not affected
   Vulnerability Tsx async abort:           Not affected
   Vulnerability Vmscape:                   Not affected
   ```
   
   </details>
   
   Comparing flight/adaptive-grpc-response-splitting (68c48e94b0bde0b44fb4645730ecb215118f66d1) to f9e02ba (merge-base) [diff](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/compare/f9e02ba76ad11e1380b559735ac912c602b604fb..68c48e94b0bde0b44fb4645730ecb215118f66d1)
   
   <details><summary>Run configuration</summary>
   
   ```yaml
   run benchmark ipc_writer
   ```
   
   </details>
   
   BENCH_COMMAND=cargo bench --features=arrow,async,test_common,experimental,object_store --bench ipc_writer
   Results will be posted here when complete
   
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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "DevMattG (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
DevMattG commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5661548742

   @Rich-T-kid, while in #10383 you focus on changing the heuristic, this PR introduces a second step after it, that directly evaluates the actual encoded size of the flight batch. If it still exceeds `max_flight_data_size` a re-split is performed. I think this could solve the problem of the inflated sizes after IPC encoding you were addressing here https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/10383#issuecomment-5018890719.
   
   Maybe combining this PR with yours could be the best solution so far? (at least I could think of)


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Re: [PR] fix(arrow-flight): adaptively re-split oversized FlightData based on actual encoded size [arrow-rs]

Posted by "Rich-T-kid (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
Rich-T-kid commented on PR #11048:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/pull/11048#issuecomment-5664946793

   yea ill close #10383 in favor of this one.


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