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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> on 2013/05/13 20:50:12 UTC
Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Hi,
Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about KarafEE
future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an attempt
to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to submit
to a vote the following suggestions :
[1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
[2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI EE
Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to orchestrate
the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
describing goals of the projects, ...
Regards,
--
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
No problem !
I just saw the vote on the OpenEJB/TomEE side ;)
Regards
JB
On 05/13/2013 09:10 PM, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> I will ask vote result from TomEE ;-) and come back to you soon.
>
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> what's the result of the vote on the OpenEJB project side (I didn't see
>> any vote) ?
>>
>> I can start a formal vote to accept KarafEE as a new Karaf subproject.
>>
>> Regarding the resources, you won't have all permissions to create the
>> resources (Jira, etc), so I will help you on that.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 05/13/2013 08:50 PM, Charles Moulliard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about KarafEE
>>> future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
>>> attempt
>>> to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
>>> OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
>>> maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
>>>
>>> This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
>>> submit
>>> to a vote the following suggestions :
>>> [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
>>> [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI EE
>>> Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
>>>
>>> If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to orchestrate
>>> the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
>>> describing goals of the projects, ...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>.
I will ask vote result from TomEE ;-) and come back to you soon.
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> what's the result of the vote on the OpenEJB project side (I didn't see
> any vote) ?
>
> I can start a formal vote to accept KarafEE as a new Karaf subproject.
>
> Regarding the resources, you won't have all permissions to create the
> resources (Jira, etc), so I will help you on that.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 05/13/2013 08:50 PM, Charles Moulliard wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about KarafEE
>> future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
>> attempt
>> to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
>> OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
>> maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
>>
>> This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
>> submit
>> to a vote the following suggestions :
>> [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
>> [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI EE
>> Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
>>
>> If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to orchestrate
>> the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
>> describing goals of the projects, ...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Charles,
what's the result of the vote on the OpenEJB project side (I didn't see
any vote) ?
I can start a formal vote to accept KarafEE as a new Karaf subproject.
Regarding the resources, you won't have all permissions to create the
resources (Jira, etc), so I will help you on that.
Regards
JB
On 05/13/2013 08:50 PM, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about KarafEE
> future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an attempt
> to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
> OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
> maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
>
> This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to submit
> to a vote the following suggestions :
> [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
> [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI EE
> Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
>
> If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to orchestrate
> the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
> describing goals of the projects, ...
>
> Regards,
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
Even though the concerns about an orphaned subproject are valid, I am not
worried about it, as I don't think it has a real impact in the community or
the project itself.
So I am perfectly fine with having it as a subproject.
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I have some
> doubts.
> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the TomEE
> Project, so
> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the main
> maintainer for it?
> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich only
> one is really maintained
> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
> sources had been moved.
> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in the
> karaf space, especially
> since right now we're lacking some manpower.
>
> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing size of
> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven wrong
> :D
>
> regards, Achim
>
>
>
> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi Charles,
> >
> > wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is already
> a
> > JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
> >
> > that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough time to
> > support it as i try to do with TomEE)
> >
> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about
> KarafEE
> > > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
> > attempt
> > > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
> > > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
> > > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
> > >
> > > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
> > > submit to a vote the following suggestions :
> > > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
> > > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI
> EE
> > > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
> > >
> > > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to
> orchestrate
> > > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
> > > describing goals of the projects, ...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Charles Moulliard
> > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
> Project Lead
> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home>
> Commiter & Project Lead
> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>
--
*Ioannis Canellos*
*
**
Blog: http://iocanel.blogspot.com
**
Twitter: iocanel
*
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>.
I will take the time to drive this project and maintain it
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I have some
> doubts.
> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the TomEE
> Project, so
> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the main
> maintainer for it?
> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich only
> one is really maintained
> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
> sources had been moved.
> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in the
> karaf space, especially
> since right now we're lacking some manpower.
>
> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing size of
> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven wrong
> :D
>
> regards, Achim
>
>
>
> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi Charles,
> >
> > wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is already
> a
> > JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
> >
> > that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough time to
> > support it as i try to do with TomEE)
> >
> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about
> KarafEE
> > > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
> > attempt
> > > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
> > > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
> > > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
> > >
> > > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
> > > submit to a vote the following suggestions :
> > > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
> > > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI
> EE
> > > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
> > >
> > > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to
> orchestrate
> > > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
> > > describing goals of the projects, ...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Charles Moulliard
> > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
> Project Lead
> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home>
> Commiter & Project Lead
> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>
--
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>.
Hi Charles,
please don't get me wrong I really like the idea of KarafEE to be moved to
Karaf as subproject, I just had some doubts about maintenance, you just
proved me wrong on this, thanks :-)
Concerning if Karaf is the right place, I think yes we should consider it
to be the current best place.
Regards, Achim
2013/5/16 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
> I don't think that Geronimo is the place to host it. Geronimo is like TomEE
> a JEE server where "modules" which are not bundles are deployed. So even if
> they use Karaf, they don't work with Karaf like we do with ServiceMix, ...
> and the Web OpenEJB, OpenJPA or OpenWebbeans Containers are not deployed as
> bundles or features and don't use OSGI Services (OSGI HTTP Service, ...).
> So Geronimo will not really help us to drive EE features of Karaf.
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Christian Schneider <
> chris@die-schneider.net> wrote:
>
> > I also think a geronimo subproject makes most sense. On the other hand as
> > long as geronimo is not ready I am also positive
> > to host Karaf EE as a Karaf subproject.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > Am 16.05.2013 12:18, schrieb James Strachan:
> >
> > Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
> >> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
> >> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
> >> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
> >> perspective?
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > Christian Schneider
> > http://www.liquid-reality.de
> >
> > Open Source Architect
> > Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Charles Moulliard
> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>
--
Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
Project Lead
OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home>
Commiter & Project Lead
blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
Hi Charles
that is true. Geronimo does not yet really support OSGi as deployment
option for JEE apps but I am quite sure that more or less all JEE
containers will move into the direction of directly supporting OSGi in
the way you described. So while Geronimo may not be the right place at
the moment it might fit very well as soon as they also move into that
direction.
Like I said in the mean while a Karaf sub project would be fine.
Christian
On 16.05.2013 17:00, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> I don't think that Geronimo is the place to host it. Geronimo is like TomEE
> a JEE server where "modules" which are not bundles are deployed. So even if
> they use Karaf, they don't work with Karaf like we do with ServiceMix, ...
> and the Web OpenEJB, OpenJPA or OpenWebbeans Containers are not deployed as
> bundles or features and don't use OSGI Services (OSGI HTTP Service, ...).
> So Geronimo will not really help us to drive EE features of Karaf.
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Christian Schneider <
> chris@die-schneider.net> wrote:
>
>> I also think a geronimo subproject makes most sense. On the other hand as
>> long as geronimo is not ready I am also positive
>> to host Karaf EE as a Karaf subproject.
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> Am 16.05.2013 12:18, schrieb James Strachan:
>>
>> Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
>>> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
>>> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
>>> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
>>> perspective?
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Christian Schneider
>> http://www.liquid-reality.de
>>
>> Open Source Architect
>> Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com
>>
>>
>
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>.
I don't think that Geronimo is the place to host it. Geronimo is like TomEE
a JEE server where "modules" which are not bundles are deployed. So even if
they use Karaf, they don't work with Karaf like we do with ServiceMix, ...
and the Web OpenEJB, OpenJPA or OpenWebbeans Containers are not deployed as
bundles or features and don't use OSGI Services (OSGI HTTP Service, ...).
So Geronimo will not really help us to drive EE features of Karaf.
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Christian Schneider <
chris@die-schneider.net> wrote:
> I also think a geronimo subproject makes most sense. On the other hand as
> long as geronimo is not ready I am also positive
> to host Karaf EE as a Karaf subproject.
>
> Christian
>
> Am 16.05.2013 12:18, schrieb James Strachan:
>
> Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
>> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
>> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
>> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
>> perspective?
>>
>>
> --
> Christian Schneider
> http://www.liquid-reality.de
>
> Open Source Architect
> Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com
>
>
--
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
I also think a geronimo subproject makes most sense. On the other hand
as long as geronimo is not ready I am also positive
to host Karaf EE as a Karaf subproject.
Christian
Am 16.05.2013 12:18, schrieb James Strachan:
> Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
> perspective?
>
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
Open Source Architect
Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
FYI,
Achim is working on the Tomcat support in Pax Web.
Regards
JB
On 05/16/2013 01:18 PM, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> - I wonder if it could be a new geronimo sub project maybe; geronimio using
> the latest karaf + features stuff etc ?
>>> Interesting question that Geronimo team should address. As we are using
> Jetty as Web Container and not Tomcat, don't start the server in the same
> way, loads the lib using a different approach - classloader, provision the
> platform in a completely different way (they are using modules -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC30/geronimo-modules.html which are not
> bundles), our objectives (KarafEE vs Geronimo) are perhaps completely
> opposites.
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM, James Strachan
> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yeah - I wonder if it could be a new geronimo sub project maybe;
>> geronimio using the latest karaf + features stuff etc? Its worth a
>> discussion to see; then maybe more folks could focus on EE in one
>> community using possibly slightly different underlying containers
>> (karaf 1.x / 2.x / 3.x)
>>
>> On 16 May 2013 11:25, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Geronimo uses Karaf 1.x and should move to Karaf 2.x but they don't
>> support
>>> all the Karaf functionalities like provisioning mechanism (features XML
>>> files).
>>> Maybe we could discuss with them to see if they can remove that
>> limitation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, James Strachan
>>> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
>>>> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
>>>> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
>>>> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
>>>> perspective?
>>>>
>>>> On 16 May 2013 08:21, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> BTW. As we have spend time and efforts with Romain to develop KarafEE,
>>>> this
>>>>> is really stupid to loose the code and creating a Karaf subproject is
>> a
>>>>> excellent idea for that purpose. Moreover, as the goal of KarafEE
>> will be
>>>>> slightly different from Geronimo, this project is also very important
>> to
>>>>> host EE features of Karaf (JTA, JPA, ...).
>>>>> The Enterprise features of Karaf could be part of that subproject
>> while
>>>>> Karaf will continue to propose the Standard features file (Spring,
>>>>> Blueprint, Web, HTTP, Management, ...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck <
>> bcanhome@googlemail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Charles,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I
>> have
>>>> some
>>>>>> doubts.
>>>>>> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the
>>>> TomEE
>>>>>> Project, so
>>>>>> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the
>>>> main
>>>>>> maintainer for it?
>>>>>> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich
>>>> only
>>>>>> one is really maintained
>>>>>> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
>>>>>> sources had been moved.
>>>>>> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in
>> the
>>>>>> karaf space, especially
>>>>>> since right now we're lacking some manpower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
>>>>>> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing
>>>> size of
>>>>>> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
>>>>>> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven
>>>> wrong
>>>>>> :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Charles,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is
>>>> already
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough
>>>> time to
>>>>>>> support it as i try to do with TomEE)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>>>>>>> *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>>>>>>> *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>>>>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>>>>>>> *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>>>>>>> *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about
>>>>>> KarafEE
>>>>>>>> future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was
>> an
>>>>>>> attempt
>>>>>>>> to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime
>>>> (using
>>>>>>>> OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be
>>>> longer
>>>>>>>> maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to
>> propose to
>>>>>>>> submit to a vote the following suggestions :
>>>>>>>> [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a
>>>> subproject
>>>>>>>> [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting
>>>> OSGI
>>>>>> EE
>>>>>>>> Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to
>>>>>> orchestrate
>>>>>>>> the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc
>>>> pages
>>>>>>>> describing goals of the projects, ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Charles Moulliard
>>>>>>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>>>>>>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>>>>>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>>>> Committer &
>>>>>> Project Lead
>>>>>> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <
>> http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commiter & Project Lead
>>>>>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Charles Moulliard
>>>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>>>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> James
>>>> -------
>>>> Red Hat
>>>>
>>>> Email: jstracha@redhat.com
>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
>>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> Open Source Integration
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charles Moulliard
>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> James
>> -------
>> Red Hat
>>
>> Email: jstracha@redhat.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Open Source Integration
>>
>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>.
- I wonder if it could be a new geronimo sub project maybe; geronimio using
the latest karaf + features stuff etc ?
>> Interesting question that Geronimo team should address. As we are using
Jetty as Web Container and not Tomcat, don't start the server in the same
way, loads the lib using a different approach - classloader, provision the
platform in a completely different way (they are using modules -
https://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC30/geronimo-modules.html which are not
bundles), our objectives (KarafEE vs Geronimo) are perhaps completely
opposites.
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM, James Strachan
<ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Yeah - I wonder if it could be a new geronimo sub project maybe;
> geronimio using the latest karaf + features stuff etc? Its worth a
> discussion to see; then maybe more folks could focus on EE in one
> community using possibly slightly different underlying containers
> (karaf 1.x / 2.x / 3.x)
>
> On 16 May 2013 11:25, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Geronimo uses Karaf 1.x and should move to Karaf 2.x but they don't
> support
> > all the Karaf functionalities like provisioning mechanism (features XML
> > files).
> > Maybe we could discuss with them to see if they can remove that
> limitation.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, James Strachan
> > <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
> >> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
> >> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
> >> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
> >> perspective?
> >>
> >> On 16 May 2013 08:21, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > BTW. As we have spend time and efforts with Romain to develop KarafEE,
> >> this
> >> > is really stupid to loose the code and creating a Karaf subproject is
> a
> >> > excellent idea for that purpose. Moreover, as the goal of KarafEE
> will be
> >> > slightly different from Geronimo, this project is also very important
> to
> >> > host EE features of Karaf (JTA, JPA, ...).
> >> > The Enterprise features of Karaf could be part of that subproject
> while
> >> > Karaf will continue to propose the Standard features file (Spring,
> >> > Blueprint, Web, HTTP, Management, ...)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck <
> bcanhome@googlemail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Charles,
> >> >>
> >> >> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I
> have
> >> some
> >> >> doubts.
> >> >> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the
> >> TomEE
> >> >> Project, so
> >> >> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the
> >> main
> >> >> maintainer for it?
> >> >> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich
> >> only
> >> >> one is really maintained
> >> >> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
> >> >> sources had been moved.
> >> >> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in
> the
> >> >> karaf space, especially
> >> >> since right now we're lacking some manpower.
> >> >>
> >> >> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
> >> >> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing
> >> size of
> >> >> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
> >> >> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven
> >> wrong
> >> >> :D
> >> >>
> >> >> regards, Achim
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi Charles,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is
> >> already
> >> >> a
> >> >> > JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough
> >> time to
> >> >> > support it as i try to do with TomEE)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
> >> >> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
> >> >> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
> >> >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> >> >> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
> >> >> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Hi,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about
> >> >> KarafEE
> >> >> > > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was
> an
> >> >> > attempt
> >> >> > > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime
> >> (using
> >> >> > > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be
> >> longer
> >> >> > > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to
> propose to
> >> >> > > submit to a vote the following suggestions :
> >> >> > > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a
> >> subproject
> >> >> > > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting
> >> OSGI
> >> >> EE
> >> >> > > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to
> >> >> orchestrate
> >> >> > > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc
> >> pages
> >> >> > > describing goals of the projects, ...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Regards,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > > Charles Moulliard
> >> >> > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> >> >> > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> >> >> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
> >> Committer &
> >> >> Project Lead
> >> >> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <
> http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home
> >> >
> >> >> Commiter & Project Lead
> >> >> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Charles Moulliard
> >> > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> >> > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> James
> >> -------
> >> Red Hat
> >>
> >> Email: jstracha@redhat.com
> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
> >> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >> Open Source Integration
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Charles Moulliard
> > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> --
> James
> -------
> Red Hat
>
> Email: jstracha@redhat.com
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>
> Open Source Integration
>
--
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
Yeah - I wonder if it could be a new geronimo sub project maybe;
geronimio using the latest karaf + features stuff etc? Its worth a
discussion to see; then maybe more folks could focus on EE in one
community using possibly slightly different underlying containers
(karaf 1.x / 2.x / 3.x)
On 16 May 2013 11:25, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Geronimo uses Karaf 1.x and should move to Karaf 2.x but they don't support
> all the Karaf functionalities like provisioning mechanism (features XML
> files).
> Maybe we could discuss with them to see if they can remove that limitation.
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, James Strachan
> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
>> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
>> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
>> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
>> perspective?
>>
>> On 16 May 2013 08:21, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > BTW. As we have spend time and efforts with Romain to develop KarafEE,
>> this
>> > is really stupid to loose the code and creating a Karaf subproject is a
>> > excellent idea for that purpose. Moreover, as the goal of KarafEE will be
>> > slightly different from Geronimo, this project is also very important to
>> > host EE features of Karaf (JTA, JPA, ...).
>> > The Enterprise features of Karaf could be part of that subproject while
>> > Karaf will continue to propose the Standard features file (Spring,
>> > Blueprint, Web, HTTP, Management, ...)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bcanhome@googlemail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Charles,
>> >>
>> >> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I have
>> some
>> >> doubts.
>> >> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the
>> TomEE
>> >> Project, so
>> >> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the
>> main
>> >> maintainer for it?
>> >> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich
>> only
>> >> one is really maintained
>> >> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
>> >> sources had been moved.
>> >> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in the
>> >> karaf space, especially
>> >> since right now we're lacking some manpower.
>> >>
>> >> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
>> >> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing
>> size of
>> >> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
>> >> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven
>> wrong
>> >> :D
>> >>
>> >> regards, Achim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Charles,
>> >> >
>> >> > wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is
>> already
>> >> a
>> >> > JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
>> >> >
>> >> > that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough
>> time to
>> >> > support it as i try to do with TomEE)
>> >> >
>> >> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>> >> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>> >> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>> >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>> >> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>> >> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hi,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about
>> >> KarafEE
>> >> > > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
>> >> > attempt
>> >> > > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime
>> (using
>> >> > > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be
>> longer
>> >> > > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
>> >> > > submit to a vote the following suggestions :
>> >> > > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a
>> subproject
>> >> > > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting
>> OSGI
>> >> EE
>> >> > > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to
>> >> orchestrate
>> >> > > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc
>> pages
>> >> > > describing goals of the projects, ...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Charles Moulliard
>> >> > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>> >> > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>> >> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>> Committer &
>> >> Project Lead
>> >> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home
>> >
>> >> Commiter & Project Lead
>> >> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Charles Moulliard
>> > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>> > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> James
>> -------
>> Red Hat
>>
>> Email: jstracha@redhat.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Open Source Integration
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Charles Moulliard
> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
--
James
-------
Red Hat
Email: jstracha@redhat.com
Web: http://fusesource.com
Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>.
Geronimo uses Karaf 1.x and should move to Karaf 2.x but they don't support
all the Karaf functionalities like provisioning mechanism (features XML
files).
Maybe we could discuss with them to see if they can remove that limitation.
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, James Strachan
<ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
> perspective?
>
> On 16 May 2013 08:21, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > BTW. As we have spend time and efforts with Romain to develop KarafEE,
> this
> > is really stupid to loose the code and creating a Karaf subproject is a
> > excellent idea for that purpose. Moreover, as the goal of KarafEE will be
> > slightly different from Geronimo, this project is also very important to
> > host EE features of Karaf (JTA, JPA, ...).
> > The Enterprise features of Karaf could be part of that subproject while
> > Karaf will continue to propose the Standard features file (Spring,
> > Blueprint, Web, HTTP, Management, ...)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bcanhome@googlemail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Charles,
> >>
> >> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I have
> some
> >> doubts.
> >> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the
> TomEE
> >> Project, so
> >> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the
> main
> >> maintainer for it?
> >> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich
> only
> >> one is really maintained
> >> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
> >> sources had been moved.
> >> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in the
> >> karaf space, especially
> >> since right now we're lacking some manpower.
> >>
> >> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
> >> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing
> size of
> >> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
> >> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven
> wrong
> >> :D
> >>
> >> regards, Achim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> > Hi Charles,
> >> >
> >> > wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is
> already
> >> a
> >> > JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
> >> >
> >> > that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough
> time to
> >> > support it as i try to do with TomEE)
> >> >
> >> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
> >> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
> >> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
> >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> >> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
> >> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about
> >> KarafEE
> >> > > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
> >> > attempt
> >> > > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime
> (using
> >> > > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be
> longer
> >> > > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
> >> > >
> >> > > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
> >> > > submit to a vote the following suggestions :
> >> > > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a
> subproject
> >> > > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting
> OSGI
> >> EE
> >> > > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
> >> > >
> >> > > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to
> >> orchestrate
> >> > > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc
> pages
> >> > > describing goals of the projects, ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Charles Moulliard
> >> > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> >> > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> >> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
> Committer &
> >> Project Lead
> >> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home
> >
> >> Commiter & Project Lead
> >> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Charles Moulliard
> > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> --
> James
> -------
> Red Hat
>
> Email: jstracha@redhat.com
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>
> Open Source Integration
>
--
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to
unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations;
I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there
something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf
perspective?
On 16 May 2013 08:21, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW. As we have spend time and efforts with Romain to develop KarafEE, this
> is really stupid to loose the code and creating a Karaf subproject is a
> excellent idea for that purpose. Moreover, as the goal of KarafEE will be
> slightly different from Geronimo, this project is also very important to
> host EE features of Karaf (JTA, JPA, ...).
> The Enterprise features of Karaf could be part of that subproject while
> Karaf will continue to propose the Standard features file (Spring,
> Blueprint, Web, HTTP, Management, ...)
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I have some
>> doubts.
>> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the TomEE
>> Project, so
>> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the main
>> maintainer for it?
>> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich only
>> one is really maintained
>> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
>> sources had been moved.
>> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in the
>> karaf space, especially
>> since right now we're lacking some manpower.
>>
>> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
>> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing size of
>> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
>> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven wrong
>> :D
>>
>> regards, Achim
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>>
>> > Hi Charles,
>> >
>> > wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is already
>> a
>> > JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
>> >
>> > that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough time to
>> > support it as i try to do with TomEE)
>> >
>> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about
>> KarafEE
>> > > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
>> > attempt
>> > > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
>> > > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
>> > > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
>> > >
>> > > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
>> > > submit to a vote the following suggestions :
>> > > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
>> > > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI
>> EE
>> > > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
>> > >
>> > > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to
>> orchestrate
>> > > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
>> > > describing goals of the projects, ...
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Charles Moulliard
>> > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>> > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
>> Project Lead
>> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home>
>> Commiter & Project Lead
>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Charles Moulliard
> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
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Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>.
BTW. As we have spend time and efforts with Romain to develop KarafEE, this
is really stupid to loose the code and creating a Karaf subproject is a
excellent idea for that purpose. Moreover, as the goal of KarafEE will be
slightly different from Geronimo, this project is also very important to
host EE features of Karaf (JTA, JPA, ...).
The Enterprise features of Karaf could be part of that subproject while
Karaf will continue to propose the Standard features file (Spring,
Blueprint, Web, HTTP, Management, ...)
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I have some
> doubts.
> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the TomEE
> Project, so
> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the main
> maintainer for it?
> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich only
> one is really maintained
> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
> sources had been moved.
> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in the
> karaf space, especially
> since right now we're lacking some manpower.
>
> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing size of
> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven wrong
> :D
>
> regards, Achim
>
>
>
> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi Charles,
> >
> > wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is already
> a
> > JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
> >
> > that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough time to
> > support it as i try to do with TomEE)
> >
> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about
> KarafEE
> > > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
> > attempt
> > > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
> > > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
> > > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
> > >
> > > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
> > > submit to a vote the following suggestions :
> > > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
> > > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI
> EE
> > > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
> > >
> > > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to
> orchestrate
> > > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
> > > describing goals of the projects, ...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Charles Moulliard
> > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
> Project Lead
> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home>
> Commiter & Project Lead
> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>
--
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Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>.
Hi Charles,
I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I have some
doubts.
First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the TomEE
Project, so
yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the main
maintainer for it?
Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich only
one is really maintained
right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the
sources had been moved.
I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in the
karaf space, especially
since right now we're lacking some manpower.
We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign.
On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing size of
active committers for about 6 to 9 Month.
But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven wrong
:D
regards, Achim
2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> Hi Charles,
>
> wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is already a
> JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
>
> that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough time to
> support it as i try to do with TomEE)
>
> *Romain Manni-Bucau*
> *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
> *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
> *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>
>
>
> 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about KarafEE
> > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an
> attempt
> > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
> > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
> > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
> >
> > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
> > submit to a vote the following suggestions :
> > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
> > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI EE
> > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
> >
> > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to orchestrate
> > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
> > describing goals of the projects, ...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Charles Moulliard
> > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> >
> >
>
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OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home>
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blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
Re: Create KarafEE as a Karaf subproject
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi Charles,
wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is already a
JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf
that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough time to
support it as i try to do with TomEE)
*Romain Manni-Bucau*
*Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
*Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
*LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
*Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>
> Hi,
>
> Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about KarafEE
> future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was an attempt
> to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime (using
> OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be longer
> maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home.
>
> This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to propose to
> submit to a vote the following suggestions :
> [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a subproject
> [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting OSGI EE
> Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...)
>
> If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to orchestrate
> the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc pages
> describing goals of the projects, ...
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Charles Moulliard
> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>
>