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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> on 2005/10/29 19:46:52 UTC
Consolidating the community
Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was very
positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to far along
I want to bring it to the dev list.
One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of projects,
code and committers that we will need to integrate into our
community. Most of the projects will have to go through incubation,
which as you all know is not easy. On the positive side, we already
work closely with these projects, and are very familiar with the
communities and code.
As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
Who would want to come?
-dain
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 10/29/05, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>
> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was very
> positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to far along
> I want to bring it to the dev list.
>
> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of projects,
> code and committers that we will need to integrate into our
> community. Most of the projects will have to go through incubation,
> which as you all know is not easy. On the positive side, we already
> work closely with these projects, and are very familiar with the
> communities and code.
>
> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
> Who would want to come?
+10000000! A fantastic idea Dain.
Some of the projects have already been mentioned - XBean, OpenEJB, and
TranQL. Hiram also mentioned ActiveMQ and all the ActiveStrachan
projects. How about ServiceMix, too?
Bruce
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Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
+100000 from me!
(FYI, We kind of do this in WS-Land. For all incoming new projects say
Synapse or TSIK, the code is under incubation, but the committers are
all part of a single ACL and can hence can pitch in anywhere else they
want to.)
thanks,
-- dims
On 10/29/05, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>
> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was very
> positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to far along
> I want to bring it to the dev list.
>
> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of projects,
> code and committers that we will need to integrate into our
> community. Most of the projects will have to go through incubation,
> which as you all know is not easy. On the positive side, we already
> work closely with these projects, and are very familiar with the
> communities and code.
>
> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
> Who would want to come?
>
> -dain
>
--
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Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
That sounds great to me! I'd love to see XBean, OpenEJB, and TranQL
join Geronimo.
Aaron
On 10/29/05, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>
> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was very
> positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to far along
> I want to bring it to the dev list.
>
> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of projects,
> code and committers that we will need to integrate into our
> community. Most of the projects will have to go through incubation,
> which as you all know is not easy. On the positive side, we already
> work closely with these projects, and are very familiar with the
> communities and code.
>
> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
> Who would want to come?
>
> -dain
>
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
I think it's a good idea, but I'm curious - what changed your mind?
We've been talking about this on and off for a while now, and I know
that you were dead-set against it.
On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>
> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was
> very positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to
> far along I want to bring it to the dev list.
>
> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of
> projects, code and committers that we will need to integrate into
> our community. Most of the projects will have to go through
> incubation, which as you all know is not easy. On the positive
> side, we already work closely with these projects, and are very
> familiar with the communities and code.
>
> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
> Who would want to come?
>
> -dain
>
--
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geirm@apache.org
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
Hi John,
I don't want to loose focus on the core consolidation discussion, but
since you asked and I love talking about XBean so much :D
For those of you that don't know what XBean (formally know as GBean),
it is a extensible server framework for POJOs. The goal of this
project is to created a plugin based server analogous to Eclipse
being a plugin based IDE. Using the Maven repo we will be able to
discover and download server plugins, and using OSGi (the plugin
system eclipse uses) we will load them in to the server. In addition
to this, XBean will support several configuration and
componentization models including Spring, Geronimo GBeans, and via an
integration with Plexus we will also support Maven, Continuum,
Plexus, Avalon and Pico components and configurations.
On Oct 30, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> On Oct 29, 2005, at 11:54 PM, John Sisson wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a great idea.
>>
>> OpenEJB, TranQL, ActiveMQ would be great to have as part of the
>> community.
>>
>> I noticed that Xbean was suggested. How is Xbean currently
>> related to Geronimo? Is this the Spring based gbean.org project
>> with a new name (www.gbean.org now takes me to the Codehaus main
>> page)? If so, what are the pros and cons to moving to this?
>
> xbean is what activemq 4.x and servicemix 2.x are using for wiring
> up it's components. I think the the openejb folks are also jumping
> on and starting to use it too. Seems like Dan from xfire, has
> started to also drive requirements into so I guess xfire may start
> using it soon too.
Currently, most people have been working with the XBean Spring
package with provides a simpler xml configuration system for Spring
(http://xbean.org/Custom+XML). The real draw of this technology is
that is provides backwards compatibility with existing Spring and
other configuration systems, so that a user does not need to rewrite
everything at once to see the benefit. This is a philosophy we carry
through the project.
>> Does OSGi compete with/overlap Xbean functionality? If so is it
>> premature to consider Xbean before we have considered OSGi?
>
> I've got a feeling it's complimentary. ActiveMQ and servicemix
> only uses xbean for configuration wiring. The one thing I'm
> keeping an eye on OSGi is for it's classpath/native library
> management (would come in handy for servicemix).
Ya they are complimentary technologies. OSGi use is similar to JMX
in that we don't replace or compete with JMX, we work with it and try
to ease the user experience of working with the technology. In the
case of OSGi, I'd like to provide a seamless transition from existing
configurations, which use a hierarchal class loader structure, to the
more network style of the OSGi class loader system.
-dain
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>.
Hi John,
On Oct 29, 2005, at 11:54 PM, John Sisson wrote:
> Sounds like a great idea.
>
> OpenEJB, TranQL, ActiveMQ would be great to have as part of the
> community.
>
> I noticed that Xbean was suggested. How is Xbean currently related
> to Geronimo? Is this the Spring based gbean.org project with a new
> name (www.gbean.org now takes me to the Codehaus main page)? If
> so, what are the pros and cons to moving to this?
>
xbean is what activemq 4.x and servicemix 2.x are using for wiring up
it's components. I think the the openejb folks are also jumping on
and starting to use it too. Seems like Dan from xfire, has started
to also drive requirements into so I guess xfire may start using it
soon too.
> Does OSGi compete with/overlap Xbean functionality? If so is it
> premature to consider Xbean before we have considered OSGi?
>
I've got a feeling it's complimentary. ActiveMQ and servicemix only
uses xbean for configuration wiring. The one thing I'm keeping an
eye on OSGi is for it's classpath/native library management (would
come in handy for servicemix).
Regards,
Hiram
> I did a search for xbean on the Geronimo dev mailing list and
> haven't found anything, except for references to XMLBeans.
> XMLBeans jars are named xbean-2.x.x AFAIK.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
>> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was
>> very positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to
>> far along I want to bring it to the dev list.
>> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
>> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of
>> projects, code and committers that we will need to integrate into
>> our community. Most of the projects will have to go through
>> incubation, which as you all know is not easy. On the positive
>> side, we already work closely with these projects, and are very
>> familiar with the communities and code.
>> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you
>> think? Who would want to come?
>> -dain
>
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by John Sisson <js...@apache.org>.
Sounds like a great idea.
OpenEJB, TranQL, ActiveMQ would be great to have as part of the community.
I noticed that Xbean was suggested. How is Xbean currently related to
Geronimo? Is this the Spring based gbean.org project with a new name
(www.gbean.org now takes me to the Codehaus main page)? If so, what are
the pros and cons to moving to this?
Does OSGi compete with/overlap Xbean functionality? If so is it
premature to consider Xbean before we have considered OSGi?
I did a search for xbean on the Geronimo dev mailing list and haven't
found anything, except for references to XMLBeans. XMLBeans jars are
named xbean-2.x.x AFAIK.
Thanks,
John
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>
> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was very
> positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to far along I
> want to bring it to the dev list.
>
> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of projects,
> code and committers that we will need to integrate into our community.
> Most of the projects will have to go through incubation, which as you
> all know is not easy. On the positive side, we already work closely
> with these projects, and are very familiar with the communities and code.
>
> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think? Who
> would want to come?
>
> -dain
>
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
You know, I think that would be really great. Having everyone in one
spot would be awesome.
I can't speak for all of the OpenEJB community, but my +1 to that
idea. I'll bring it up on the list.
-David
On Oct 29, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> Huge +1!
>
> I can't speak for the rest of the ActiveMQ community, but I've
> chatted with James Strachan in the past before this, and we think
> it would be a huge win for both the Apache and ActiveMQ communities
> if ActiveMQ came to Apache. There's also a few dependencies that
> ActiveMQ uses that are maintained mostly by the committers ActiveMQ
> community like ActiveIO, ActiveCluster, ActivetSpaces, etc. It
> would be nice to keep all these projects together., I wonder if the
> Apache/Geronimo community would be interested in bring all this
> stuff in house?
>
> Unfortunately, James (the founder of most of the above projects) is
> out on vacation this week, but I sure He'd be all for it if Apache/
> Geronimo was interested. This idea is also very exciting for me!
> It would show the solidification and maturing of the geronimo project.
>
> Regards,
> Hiram
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>
>> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
>> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>>
>> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was
>> very positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to
>> far along I want to bring it to the dev list.
>>
>> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
>> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of
>> projects, code and committers that we will need to integrate into
>> our community. Most of the projects will have to go through
>> incubation, which as you all know is not easy. On the positive
>> side, we already work closely with these projects, and are very
>> familiar with the communities and code.
>>
>> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
>> Who would want to come?
>>
>> -dain
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>.
+1 Having WADI here would be Awsome!
On Oct 29, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Jeff Genender wrote:
> +1 from me too. I can talk with Jules and Bruce about bringing
> WADI underneath G too (that is if y'all are interested).
>
> Jeff
>
> Hiram Chirino wrote:
>
>> Huge +1!
>> I can't speak for the rest of the ActiveMQ community, but I've
>> chatted with James Strachan in the past before this, and we think
>> it would be a huge win for both the Apache and ActiveMQ
>> communities if ActiveMQ came to Apache. There's also a few
>> dependencies that ActiveMQ uses that are maintained mostly by the
>> committers ActiveMQ community like ActiveIO, ActiveCluster,
>> ActivetSpaces, etc. It would be nice to keep all these projects
>> together., I wonder if the Apache/Geronimo community would be
>> interested in bring all this stuff in house?
>> Unfortunately, James (the founder of most of the above projects)
>> is out on vacation this week, but I sure He'd be all for it if
>> Apache/Geronimo was interested. This idea is also very exciting
>> for me! It would show the solidification and maturing of the
>> geronimo project.
>> Regards,
>> Hiram
>> On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
>>> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>>>
>>> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was
>>> very positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to
>>> far along I want to bring it to the dev list.
>>>
>>> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
>>> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of
>>> projects, code and committers that we will need to integrate into
>>> our community. Most of the projects will have to go through
>>> incubation, which as you all know is not easy. On the positive
>>> side, we already work closely with these projects, and are very
>>> familiar with the communities and code.
>>>
>>> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you
>>> think? Who would want to come?
>>>
>>> -dain
>>>
>
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 10/29/05, Jeff Genender <jg...@savoirtech.com> wrote:
> +1 from me too. I can talk with Jules and Bruce about bringing WADI
> underneath G too (that is if y'all are interested).
Another stellar idea! I'm curious to hear Jules' opinion on this.
Bruce
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);'
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Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>.
+1 from me for all of this.
It might be more appropriate to bring tranql-connector to the apache db
project, but I have no particularly strong feelings either way: either
apache location would be fine with me.
thanks
david jencks
On Oct 29, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Jeff Genender wrote:
> +1 from me too. I can talk with Jules and Bruce about bringing WADI
> underneath G too (that is if y'all are interested).
>
> Jeff
>
> Hiram Chirino wrote:
>> Huge +1!
>> I can't speak for the rest of the ActiveMQ community, but I've
>> chatted with James Strachan in the past before this, and we think it
>> would be a huge win for both the Apache and ActiveMQ communities if
>> ActiveMQ came to Apache. There's also a few dependencies that
>> ActiveMQ uses that are maintained mostly by the committers ActiveMQ
>> community like ActiveIO, ActiveCluster, ActivetSpaces, etc. It would
>> be nice to keep all these projects together., I wonder if the
>> Apache/Geronimo community would be interested in bring all this stuff
>> in house?
>> Unfortunately, James (the founder of most of the above projects) is
>> out on vacation this week, but I sure He'd be all for it if
>> Apache/Geronimo was interested. This idea is also very exciting for
>> me! It would show the solidification and maturing of the geronimo
>> project.
>> Regards,
>> Hiram
>> On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
>>> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>>>
>>> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was very
>>> positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to far
>>> along I want to bring it to the dev list.
>>>
>>> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
>>> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of
>>> projects, code and committers that we will need to integrate into
>>> our community. Most of the projects will have to go through
>>> incubation, which as you all know is not easy. On the positive
>>> side, we already work closely with these projects, and are very
>>> familiar with the communities and code.
>>>
>>> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
>>> Who would want to come?
>>>
>>> -dain
>>>
>
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@savoirtech.com>.
+1 from me too. I can talk with Jules and Bruce about bringing WADI
underneath G too (that is if y'all are interested).
Jeff
Hiram Chirino wrote:
> Huge +1!
>
> I can't speak for the rest of the ActiveMQ community, but I've chatted
> with James Strachan in the past before this, and we think it would be a
> huge win for both the Apache and ActiveMQ communities if ActiveMQ came
> to Apache. There's also a few dependencies that ActiveMQ uses that are
> maintained mostly by the committers ActiveMQ community like ActiveIO,
> ActiveCluster, ActivetSpaces, etc. It would be nice to keep all these
> projects together., I wonder if the Apache/Geronimo community would be
> interested in bring all this stuff in house?
>
> Unfortunately, James (the founder of most of the above projects) is out
> on vacation this week, but I sure He'd be all for it if Apache/Geronimo
> was interested. This idea is also very exciting for me! It would show
> the solidification and maturing of the geronimo project.
>
> Regards,
> Hiram
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
>> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>>
>> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was very
>> positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to far along
>> I want to bring it to the dev list.
>>
>> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
>> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of projects,
>> code and committers that we will need to integrate into our
>> community. Most of the projects will have to go through incubation,
>> which as you all know is not easy. On the positive side, we already
>> work closely with these projects, and are very familiar with the
>> communities and code.
>>
>> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think? Who
>> would want to come?
>>
>> -dain
>>
Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>.
+1 from me too.
Am horribly jetlagged after just getting off a red-eye so will try
comment more constructively early next week when I've managed to
actually sleep a little.
On 29 Oct 2005, at 20:13, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> Huge +1!
>
> I can't speak for the rest of the ActiveMQ community, but I've
> chatted with James Strachan in the past before this, and we think
> it would be a huge win for both the Apache and ActiveMQ communities
> if ActiveMQ came to Apache. There's also a few dependencies that
> ActiveMQ uses that are maintained mostly by the committers ActiveMQ
> community like ActiveIO, ActiveCluster, ActivetSpaces, etc. It
> would be nice to keep all these projects together., I wonder if the
> Apache/Geronimo community would be interested in bring all this
> stuff in house?
>
> Unfortunately, James (the founder of most of the above projects) is
> out on vacation this week, but I sure He'd be all for it if Apache/
> Geronimo was interested. This idea is also very exciting for me!
> It would show the solidification and maturing of the geronimo project.
>
> Regards,
> Hiram
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
>> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>>
>> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was
>> very positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to
>> far along I want to bring it to the dev list.
>>
>> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
>> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of
>> projects, code and committers that we will need to integrate into
>> our community. Most of the projects will have to go through
>> incubation, which as you all know is not easy. On the positive
>> side, we already work closely with these projects, and are very
>> familiar with the communities and code.
>>
>> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
>> Who would want to come?
>>
>> -dain
>>
>
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Re: Consolidating the community
Posted by Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>.
Huge +1!
I can't speak for the rest of the ActiveMQ community, but I've
chatted with James Strachan in the past before this, and we think it
would be a huge win for both the Apache and ActiveMQ communities if
ActiveMQ came to Apache. There's also a few dependencies that
ActiveMQ uses that are maintained mostly by the committers ActiveMQ
community like ActiveIO, ActiveCluster, ActivetSpaces, etc. It would
be nice to keep all these projects together., I wonder if the Apache/
Geronimo community would be interested in bring all this stuff in house?
Unfortunately, James (the founder of most of the above projects) is
out on vacation this week, but I sure He'd be all for it if Apache/
Geronimo was interested. This idea is also very exciting for me! It
would show the solidification and maturing of the geronimo project.
Regards,
Hiram
On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Why not consolidate the entire Geronimo community, or as much as
> possible, into the Geronimo project itself?
>
> I bounced this idea off a few people and the feedback I got was
> very positive. This idea keeps popping up and before it gets to
> far along I want to bring it to the dev list.
>
> One thing you should really think about is this requires a big
> commitment from the Geronimo community. There are a lot of
> projects, code and committers that we will need to integrate into
> our community. Most of the projects will have to go through
> incubation, which as you all know is not easy. On the positive
> side, we already work closely with these projects, and are very
> familiar with the communities and code.
>
> As you can tell, I'm very excited about this. What do you think?
> Who would want to come?
>
> -dain
>