Re : Re : Error using Scriptlet inside tiles:putAttribute

[Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>]

I'm really sorry if my manners hurted someone (I mean it).

Back on the subject : if anyone is interested on scripting inside Tiles tag, I'll be happy to try and contribute a patch.
If no, I certainly wont spent my time on something nobody - apart me - find usefull.

Again please accept my excuses if I hurt someone. I didn't imply for anyone to develop the feature (it was just to raise an issue and track it - no more :) ).

----- Mail original -----
De : Chris Pratt <th...@gmail.com>
À : users@tiles.apache.org; Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>
Cc : 
Envoyé le : Mercredi 7 Septembre 2011 17h33
Objet : Re: Re : Error using Scriptlet inside tiles:putAttribute

That's actually kind of a silly statement.  The whole reason to release an
open source project is to provide others a tool to use that fosters your way
of doing something, which is hopefully better in some way than whatever the
current standard is.  If this tool doesn't work the way you would like, you
have a few options.

   - Update the code and submit the patches for review and possible
   inclusion into the project.
   - Find a different tool that works the way you wish.
   - Start your own project that works the way you want.

But to tell someone that their tool was written incorrectly because it
doesn't do what you want it to is at best bad manners.
  (*Chris*)

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>wrote:

> > No, it was made on purpose, for your sanity I suggest not to use
> scriptlets ever ;-)
>
>
> It's a pity : you shouldn't impose your development views on others.
>
> For instance for rapide tests / prototyping scriptlets are really usefull.
> Even for full blown webapps, if you use them wisely they can be nice.
>
> Personnally, I've never seen the difference between :
> <c:forEach begin="1" end="1000">
>
> blabla
> </c:forEach>
> and
>
> <%for (int i=0; i<1000; i++) {%>
>
> blabla
> <%}%>
>
> Apart from a performance point of view and from a language constructus
> duplication (you must learn JSTLs, great.... very interesting...).
>
> Anyway, thanks for the answer !
>
> You're sure you're not gonna change your mind on this subject ? please ? ;)
>
>
> ________________________________
> De : Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
> À : users@tiles.apache.org; Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>
> Envoyé le : Mardi 6 Septembre 2011 12h15
> Objet : Re: Error using Scriptlet inside tiles:putAttribute
>
>
> 2011/9/6 Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>
>
> Hello,
> >
> >I'm using Tiles 2.2.1 (also tested this issue with 2.2.2).
> >
> >I cannot use scriptlet code inside tiles jsp tags.
> >
> >This is because :
> >1. Tiles JSP tags inherit from SimpleTag Support class and not from
> TagSupport class.
> >2. inside tiles-jsp.tld all tags are marked with
> <body-content>scriptless</body-content> and
> not <body-content>JSP</body-content>
> >
> >This issue makes working with tiles quite a pain (prototyping and testing
> is quite difficult).
> >
> >Should I create a JIRA ?
> >
>
>
> No, it was made on purpose, for your sanity I suggest not to use scriptlets
> ever ;-)
>
> Antonio
>

Re: Re : Re : Error using Scriptlet inside tiles:putAttribute

[Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>]

2011/9/7 Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>

> Back on the subject : if anyone is interested on scripting inside Tiles
> tag, I'll be happy to try and contribute a patch.
> If no, I certainly wont spent my time on something nobody - apart me - find
> usefull


That's not the right spirit.
What we do here at Apache is:
* for fun;
* for our everyday job.
In any case, we do it for ourselves: we need some thing, we develop it, we
distribute to the community. We don't do anything only because someone that
does not pay us asks it.
So if you need it develop it. If you wish you can share it with the
community hoping it is useful. After all, Linus built LInux for his own PC
;-)

Again please accept my excuses if I hurt someone. I didn't imply for anyone
> to develop the feature (it was just to raise an issue and track it - no more
> :) ).
>

It was never a problem, I love to receive critics, because I know that Tiles
is still alive ;-)

Best regards
Antonio

Re: Re : Re : Error using Scriptlet inside tiles:putAttribute

[Rick R <ri...@gmail.com>]

I doubt many people would care to see scriplet functionality within tiles.
JSTL is simply much cleaner so I think most would disagree with your initial
comment about not seeing much difference between the scriplet for loop and
the jstl one.( In reality it's usually iterating over a collection anyway .)
It's not like you really have to spend  'time' to learn JSTL. A quick google
search of what you want to do in JSTL and you'll find an example within a
few seconds. My guess is you'd probably learn everything you need to know
about JSTL faster than it would take you to patch the code  :)

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>wrote:

> I'm really sorry if my manners hurted someone (I mean it).
>
> Back on the subject : if anyone is interested on scripting inside Tiles
> tag, I'll be happy to try and contribute a patch.
> If no, I certainly wont spent my time on something nobody - apart me - find
> usefull.
>
> Again please accept my excuses if I hurt someone. I didn't imply for anyone
> to develop the feature (it was just to raise an issue and track it - no more
> :) ).
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De : Chris Pratt <th...@gmail.com>
> À : users@tiles.apache.org; Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>
> Cc :
> Envoyé le : Mercredi 7 Septembre 2011 17h33
> Objet : Re: Re : Error using Scriptlet inside tiles:putAttribute
>
> That's actually kind of a silly statement.  The whole reason to release an
> open source project is to provide others a tool to use that fosters your
> way
> of doing something, which is hopefully better in some way than whatever the
> current standard is.  If this tool doesn't work the way you would like, you
> have a few options.
>
>    - Update the code and submit the patches for review and possible
>    inclusion into the project.
>    - Find a different tool that works the way you wish.
>    - Start your own project that works the way you want.
>
> But to tell someone that their tool was written incorrectly because it
> doesn't do what you want it to is at best bad manners.
>   (*Chris*)
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Adrian Gonzalez <adr_gonzalez@yahoo.fr
> >wrote:
>
> > > No, it was made on purpose, for your sanity I suggest not to use
> > scriptlets ever ;-)
> >
> >
> > It's a pity : you shouldn't impose your development views on others.
> >
> > For instance for rapide tests / prototyping scriptlets are really
> usefull.
> > Even for full blown webapps, if you use them wisely they can be nice.
> >
> > Personnally, I've never seen the difference between :
> > <c:forEach begin="1" end="1000">
> >
> > blabla
> > </c:forEach>
> > and
> >
> > <%for (int i=0; i<1000; i++) {%>
> >
> > blabla
> > <%}%>
> >
> > Apart from a performance point of view and from a language constructus
> > duplication (you must learn JSTLs, great.... very interesting...).
> >
> > Anyway, thanks for the answer !
> >
> > You're sure you're not gonna change your mind on this subject ? please ?
> ;)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De : Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
> > À : users@tiles.apache.org; Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>
> > Envoyé le : Mardi 6 Septembre 2011 12h15
> > Objet : Re: Error using Scriptlet inside tiles:putAttribute
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/6 Adrian Gonzalez <ad...@yahoo.fr>
> >
> > Hello,
> > >
> > >I'm using Tiles 2.2.1 (also tested this issue with 2.2.2).
> > >
> > >I cannot use scriptlet code inside tiles jsp tags.
> > >
> > >This is because :
> > >1. Tiles JSP tags inherit from SimpleTag Support class and not from
> > TagSupport class.
> > >2. inside tiles-jsp.tld all tags are marked with
> > <body-content>scriptless</body-content> and
> > not <body-content>JSP</body-content>
> > >
> > >This issue makes working with tiles quite a pain (prototyping and
> testing
> > is quite difficult).
> > >
> > >Should I create a JIRA ?
> > >
> >
> >
> > No, it was made on purpose, for your sanity I suggest not to use
> scriptlets
> > ever ;-)
> >
> > Antonio
> >
>
>


-- 
Rick R