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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk> on 1997/09/29 17:36:10 UTC
Browser capabilities?
Anyone know which browser version support HTTP/1.1 virtual hosts?
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> No idea about AOL.
Last I knew AOL's proxies didn't. Why!?!?! Why!?!? Why!?!?! It
would take them 2 minutes to add, another 5 to get right and the
don't have to touch the client for the (majority, I would guess)
that use the proxy.
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> At 10:34 AM 9/30/97 -0700, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> >On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Rob Hartill wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> >>
> >> > Funny you should ask that question. MSIE's does change.
> >>
> >> three cheers for MS. What does it change from/to ?
> >
> >Yeah MSIE is a quality product ... if you treat it as an alpha (i.e. I
> >don't really fault them for screwing up HTTP/1.1 ... once :)
>
> Watching the discussion on the http-wg mailing list and the flip-flops made
> in the 1.1 spec over the last year, you can't really fault any early
> implementor, in my opinion.
Well ... how about a java vm that makes an HTTP/1.1 request but expects a
1.0 response? :) But yeah.
Dean
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> At 10:34 AM 9/30/97 -0700, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> >On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Rob Hartill wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> >>
> >> > Funny you should ask that question. MSIE's does change.
> >>
> >> three cheers for MS. What does it change from/to ?
> >
> >Yeah MSIE is a quality product ... if you treat it as an alpha (i.e. I
> >don't really fault them for screwing up HTTP/1.1 ... once :)
>
> Watching the discussion on the http-wg mailing list and the flip-flops made
> in the 1.1 spec over the last year, you can't really fault any early
> implementor, in my opinion.
Well... in some areas I agree with you, but some of the things MS does
shows that they did right about zippo testing with little things like
Apache which, like it or not, is the most widely deployed 1.1 server
around today.
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Brian Behlendorf <br...@organic.com>.
At 10:34 AM 9/30/97 -0700, Dean Gaudet wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Rob Hartill wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
>>
>> > Funny you should ask that question. MSIE's does change.
>>
>> three cheers for MS. What does it change from/to ?
>
>Yeah MSIE is a quality product ... if you treat it as an alpha (i.e. I
>don't really fault them for screwing up HTTP/1.1 ... once :)
Watching the discussion on the http-wg mailing list and the flip-flops made
in the 1.1 spec over the last year, you can't really fault any early
implementor, in my opinion.
Brian
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Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
MSIE 4 and navi^H^H^H^Hcommunicator 4 both support crawling and both
support robots.txt.
Dean
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Lars Eilebrecht wrote:
> According to Rob Hartill:
>
> [...]
> > Ooo, I already play big brother on User-Agents with 'crawl' in the name.
>
> BTW, Lynx has also a -crawl/-traversal mode, but User-Agent isn't changed.
> I wonder if any 'crawling' browser supports robots.txt (Lynx does not)?
>
> [...]
> > > Doesn't look like Netscape has wisened up yet.
> >
> > I pleaded with them a while back to make the crawl mode show itself.
> > Oh well, it's their own foot they're shooting.
>
> Netscape? Crawl-mode? *scratch* What version?
>
>
> ciao...
> --
> Lars Eilebrecht - LSD melts in your mind, not in your hands.
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> http://www.si.unix-ag.org/~sfx/
>
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Lars Eilebrecht <La...@unix-ag.org>.
According to Rob Hartill:
[...]
> Ooo, I already play big brother on User-Agents with 'crawl' in the name.
BTW, Lynx has also a -crawl/-traversal mode, but User-Agent isn't changed.
I wonder if any 'crawling' browser supports robots.txt (Lynx does not)?
[...]
> > Doesn't look like Netscape has wisened up yet.
>
> I pleaded with them a while back to make the crawl mode show itself.
> Oh well, it's their own foot they're shooting.
Netscape? Crawl-mode? *scratch* What version?
ciao...
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sfx@unix-ag.org
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Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Rob Hartill <ro...@imdb.com>.
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Rob Hartill wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> >
> > > Funny you should ask that question. MSIE's does change.
> >
> > three cheers for MS. What does it change from/to ?
>
> Yeah MSIE is a quality product ... if you treat it as an alpha (i.e. I
> don't really fault them for screwing up HTTP/1.1 ... once :)
>
> crawling:
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; MSIECrawler; Windows 95)
>
> not crawling:
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0b2; Windows NT)
Ooo, I already play big brother on User-Agents with 'crawl' in the name.
> > > I'm not sure if
> > > wired has been able to beat sense into netscape's head yet and get them to
> > > make their's change too. They have been trying for some time now, so have
> > > other content partners. So you can pray.
> >
> > ... or just ban IP addresses completely :-)
>
> Doesn't look like Netscape has wisened up yet.
I pleaded with them a while back to make the crawl mode show itself.
Oh well, it's their own foot they're shooting.
thanks for the info.
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Rob Hartill wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
>
> > Funny you should ask that question. MSIE's does change.
>
> three cheers for MS. What does it change from/to ?
Yeah MSIE is a quality product ... if you treat it as an alpha (i.e. I
don't really fault them for screwing up HTTP/1.1 ... once :)
crawling:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; MSIECrawler; Windows 95)
not crawling:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0b2; Windows NT)
>
> > I'm not sure if
> > wired has been able to beat sense into netscape's head yet and get them to
> > make their's change too. They have been trying for some time now, so have
> > other content partners. So you can pray.
>
> ... or just ban IP addresses completely :-)
Doesn't look like Netscape has wisened up yet. Although I only spent
20 seconds looking for user agent differences in the logs.
Dean
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Rob Hartill <ro...@imdb.com>.
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> Funny you should ask that question. MSIE's does change.
three cheers for MS. What does it change from/to ?
> I'm not sure if
> wired has been able to beat sense into netscape's head yet and get them to
> make their's change too. They have been trying for some time now, so have
> other content partners. So you can pray.
... or just ban IP addresses completely :-)
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
Funny you should ask that question. MSIE's does change. I'm not sure if
wired has been able to beat sense into netscape's head yet and get them to
make their's change too. They have been trying for some time now, so have
other content partners. So you can pray.
Dean
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Rob Hartill wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
>
> > And it should be no surprise that MSIE 4.0 and
> > Communicator 4.0 in crawler mode also use Host: headers.
>
> browsers with a "crawler mode" - what a horrible thought.
>
> Does the User-Agent change to signify it's in 'selfish bastard' mode ?
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Rob Hartill <ro...@imdb.com>.
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> And it should be no surprise that MSIE 4.0 and
> Communicator 4.0 in crawler mode also use Host: headers.
browsers with a "crawler mode" - what a horrible thought.
Does the User-Agent change to signify it's in 'selfish bastard' mode ?
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Lars Eilebrecht <La...@unix-ag.org>.
According to Dean Gaudet:
> Do we insert Host: headers?
Yes, mod_proxy generates Host: headers for every remote request.
ciao...
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Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
Navigator since 2.0.
MSIE since at least 3.0. 2.0 is so buggy though that people can hardly
use it for longer than it requires to download 3.0 from microsoft.
I think Lynx has had it since 2.6.
No idea about AOL.
Squid inserts Host: headers I *think*, but I'm not 100% certain. Do we
insert Host: headers?
An important question is "what crawlers support Host: headers?" As of 10
months ago none did. I just took a peek at HotWired's robot.txt log and
it appears that AltaVista, and HotBot's crawlers use Host -- I didn't look
for anyone else. And it should be no surprise that MSIE 4.0 and
Communicator 4.0 in crawler mode also use Host: headers.
Dean
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Manoj Kasichainula wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 1997 at 04:36:10PM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote:
> > Anyone know which browser version support HTTP/1.1 virtual hosts?
>
> Well, I tested with http://bofh.taronga.com/. Communicator 4.03 for
> Windoze and Lynx 2.7.1 seem to support them.
>
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>
Re: Browser capabilities?
Posted by Manoj Kasichainula <ma...@io.com>.
On Mon, Sep 29, 1997 at 04:36:10PM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote:
> Anyone know which browser version support HTTP/1.1 virtual hosts?
Well, I tested with http://bofh.taronga.com/. Communicator 4.03 for
Windoze and Lynx 2.7.1 seem to support them.
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