Tapestry Training: London (Oct 2010)

[Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>]

I'm once again partnering with SkillsMatter to teach my full Tapestry
workshop. This is an expanded version of the class, which is growing from
three days up to four; the additional day will ensure that we have time for
all the existing materials, and add a new section on testing using TestNG,
Selenium and Groovy. It will also give us more time to explore student
directed ideas, such as security and meta-programming.

The class will be taught at SkillsMatter's offices in London, from October
5th through the 8th.

I'm curious how many people are aware of this training, and how many people
are located geographically to take advantage of it. I've done the 3 day
version of the class twice at SkillsMatter, and I'm looking forward to the
full 4 day class.

I'd like to start a discussion about what it would take to get more people
to attend the class, and/or what's keeping people from attending (cost,
location, etc.).

Two other notes:

- There will probably be another teach in Paris, in December
- The workshop is normally taught on-site for a specific company (I do such
a teach 2 - 3 times / year)

-- 
Howard M. Lewis Ship

Creator of Apache Tapestry

The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn
how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!

(971) 678-5210
http://howardlewisship.com

Re: Tapestry Training: London (Oct 2010)

["Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>]

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:11:39 -0300, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> But Europe has a bunch of Tapestry experts/committers only a short train
> ride away (listening, Igor & Andreas?).

I'm a Brazilian Tapestry committer and I've never been in France yet. :P

Talking more seriously, I have two Tapestry courses written in Brazilian  
Portuguese: basic and advanced. I can translate it into English if  
requested.

-- 
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,  
and instructor
Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
http://www.arsmachina.com.br

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Re: Tapestry Training: London (Oct 2010)

[Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Katia Aresti Gonzalez <katiaaresti@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Yes, that's why we have to say that this backwards compatibility it's not a
> problem, loud and and clear.
> Other frameworks mains versions are incompatible too.
>
> I would love to keep up staring up for more than 4 days !! :)
> Sadly our project was cancelled ... no project, no formation.
> more pub -> more people knows about tapestry 5.x -> more people proposes
> the
> framework to their clients -> more projects coming -> more knowledge needed
> -> more formations, :)
>
> About localisation : Paris is the best place in France. Paris is very well
> connected to the other french capitals by train(tgv) and plane. Connected
> to
> London in 2 hours by train.
>
>
I've done that stretch between London and Paris, both ways, a couple of
times. Couldn't be easier.

I've been contacted by members of the Paris JUG and the Austrian JUG
recently to talk about T5. However, with a newborn (5 month old) at home,
I'm temporarily backing away from extended trips (longer than necessary to
teach the workshop).

But Europe has a bunch of Tapestry experts/committers only a short train
ride away (listening, Igor & Andreas?).


> 2010/8/5 Gerald Bauer <gt...@gmail.com>
>
> > I think one reason people fear Tapestry is it's backward compatibility
> > history. Another reason is the ugliness of Howard. I can't imagine how
> > people could keep up staring that ugly man for ours during courses or
> > presentation :(
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Katia Aresti Gonzalez <
> > katiaaresti@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Laurent and me live in Paris. We work for a big international french
> > > company.
> > >
> > > We were aware about these formations since last year because we are
> > > tapestry
> > > followers.
> > > Last year, in may 2009, our client wanted to migrate from struts 1.x to
> > > tapestry 5.x.
> > > We started to learn Tapestry by ourselves. After that, we followed an
> > > external formation in June 2009 (Paris), 3 days with a similar cost.
> > > Our company had no problem to send us despite of the price.
> > > Later, we knew you where coming to Paris and we even thought on a
> second
> > > formation as first one was very light. Our company was ok to send us to
> a
> > > second formation with you. Despite of the cost again!
> > > Small freelancers might see the cost as problem... but not companies.
> > >
> > > Migration was in standby and finally we didn't do it... (we where sad).
> > We
> > > where very disappointed and we had the felling that Tapestry was not
> > known
> > > in our company. So we coded a Tapestry Demo and we started to do an
> > > internal
> > > tapestry publicity. We did a presentation in order to make people know
> > > Tapestry. We arrived to make somebody to choose Tapestry as the
> > > presentation
> > > framework on a internal project.
> > > Workers making other people inside their companies to know Tapestry -
> > > despite on their actual missions - it's mandatory.
> > >
> > > Globally speaking, we have noticed the name "Tapestry" is known by
> > several
> > > people in France, but in general we have checked that people don't know
> > the
> > > framework at all.
> > > The point is that in France nobody has already done a JUG conference
> > about
> > > Tapestry (neither Paris JUG or a smaller JUGs). We can't say the same
> > thing
> > > about JSF 2 and Wicket, for example; jsf 2 and wicket people have done
> > > several presentations all over France Jugs during the last couple of
> > years.
> > > Publicity, not only in big conferences where not everybody can go, is
> > > mandatory.
> > > Experts giving conferences and presentations in their countries and
> > cities
> > > make people's interest to grow.
> > >
> > > Obviously there are probably more factors. :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > 2010/8/5 Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > I'm once again partnering with SkillsMatter to teach my full Tapestry
> > > > workshop. This is an expanded version of the class, which is growing
> > from
> > > > three days up to four; the additional day will ensure that we have
> time
> > > for
> > > > all the existing materials, and add a new section on testing using
> > > TestNG,
> > > > Selenium and Groovy. It will also give us more time to explore
> student
> > > > directed ideas, such as security and meta-programming.
> > > >
> > > > The class will be taught at SkillsMatter's offices in London, from
> > > October
> > > > 5th through the 8th.
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious how many people are aware of this training, and how many
> > > people
> > > > are located geographically to take advantage of it. I've done the 3
> day
> > > > version of the class twice at SkillsMatter, and I'm looking forward
> to
> > > the
> > > > full 4 day class.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to start a discussion about what it would take to get more
> > > people
> > > > to attend the class, and/or what's keeping people from attending
> (cost,
> > > > location, etc.).
> > > >
> > > > Two other notes:
> > > >
> > > > - There will probably be another teach in Paris, in December
> > > > - The workshop is normally taught on-site for a specific company (I
> do
> > > such
> > > > a teach 2 - 3 times / year)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> > > >
> > > > Creator of Apache Tapestry
> > > >
> > > > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me
> to
> > > > learn
> > > > how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> > > >
> > > > (971) 678-5210
> > > > http://howardlewisship.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



-- 
Howard M. Lewis Ship

Creator of Apache Tapestry

The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn
how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!

(971) 678-5210
http://howardlewisship.com

Re: Tapestry Training: London (Oct 2010)

[Katia Aresti Gonzalez <ka...@gmail.com>]

Yes, that's why we have to say that this backwards compatibility it's not a
problem, loud and and clear.
Other frameworks mains versions are incompatible too.

I would love to keep up staring up for more than 4 days !! :)
Sadly our project was cancelled ... no project, no formation.
more pub -> more people knows about tapestry 5.x -> more people proposes the
framework to their clients -> more projects coming -> more knowledge needed
-> more formations, :)

About localisation : Paris is the best place in France. Paris is very well
connected to the other french capitals by train(tgv) and plane. Connected to
London in 2 hours by train.


2010/8/5 Gerald Bauer <gt...@gmail.com>

> I think one reason people fear Tapestry is it's backward compatibility
> history. Another reason is the ugliness of Howard. I can't imagine how
> people could keep up staring that ugly man for ours during courses or
> presentation :(
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Katia Aresti Gonzalez <
> katiaaresti@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Laurent and me live in Paris. We work for a big international french
> > company.
> >
> > We were aware about these formations since last year because we are
> > tapestry
> > followers.
> > Last year, in may 2009, our client wanted to migrate from struts 1.x to
> > tapestry 5.x.
> > We started to learn Tapestry by ourselves. After that, we followed an
> > external formation in June 2009 (Paris), 3 days with a similar cost.
> > Our company had no problem to send us despite of the price.
> > Later, we knew you where coming to Paris and we even thought on a second
> > formation as first one was very light. Our company was ok to send us to a
> > second formation with you. Despite of the cost again!
> > Small freelancers might see the cost as problem... but not companies.
> >
> > Migration was in standby and finally we didn't do it... (we where sad).
> We
> > where very disappointed and we had the felling that Tapestry was not
> known
> > in our company. So we coded a Tapestry Demo and we started to do an
> > internal
> > tapestry publicity. We did a presentation in order to make people know
> > Tapestry. We arrived to make somebody to choose Tapestry as the
> > presentation
> > framework on a internal project.
> > Workers making other people inside their companies to know Tapestry -
> > despite on their actual missions - it's mandatory.
> >
> > Globally speaking, we have noticed the name "Tapestry" is known by
> several
> > people in France, but in general we have checked that people don't know
> the
> > framework at all.
> > The point is that in France nobody has already done a JUG conference
> about
> > Tapestry (neither Paris JUG or a smaller JUGs). We can't say the same
> thing
> > about JSF 2 and Wicket, for example; jsf 2 and wicket people have done
> > several presentations all over France Jugs during the last couple of
> years.
> > Publicity, not only in big conferences where not everybody can go, is
> > mandatory.
> > Experts giving conferences and presentations in their countries and
> cities
> > make people's interest to grow.
> >
> > Obviously there are probably more factors. :-)
> >
> >
> > 2010/8/5 Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > I'm once again partnering with SkillsMatter to teach my full Tapestry
> > > workshop. This is an expanded version of the class, which is growing
> from
> > > three days up to four; the additional day will ensure that we have time
> > for
> > > all the existing materials, and add a new section on testing using
> > TestNG,
> > > Selenium and Groovy. It will also give us more time to explore student
> > > directed ideas, such as security and meta-programming.
> > >
> > > The class will be taught at SkillsMatter's offices in London, from
> > October
> > > 5th through the 8th.
> > >
> > > I'm curious how many people are aware of this training, and how many
> > people
> > > are located geographically to take advantage of it. I've done the 3 day
> > > version of the class twice at SkillsMatter, and I'm looking forward to
> > the
> > > full 4 day class.
> > >
> > > I'd like to start a discussion about what it would take to get more
> > people
> > > to attend the class, and/or what's keeping people from attending (cost,
> > > location, etc.).
> > >
> > > Two other notes:
> > >
> > > - There will probably be another teach in Paris, in December
> > > - The workshop is normally taught on-site for a specific company (I do
> > such
> > > a teach 2 - 3 times / year)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> > >
> > > Creator of Apache Tapestry
> > >
> > > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> > > learn
> > > how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> > >
> > > (971) 678-5210
> > > http://howardlewisship.com
> > >
> >
>

Re: Tapestry Training: London (Oct 2010)

[Gerald Bauer <gt...@gmail.com>]

I think one reason people fear Tapestry is it's backward compatibility
history. Another reason is the ugliness of Howard. I can't imagine how
people could keep up staring that ugly man for ours during courses or
presentation :(

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Katia Aresti Gonzalez <
katiaaresti@gmail.com> wrote:

> Laurent and me live in Paris. We work for a big international french
> company.
>
> We were aware about these formations since last year because we are
> tapestry
> followers.
> Last year, in may 2009, our client wanted to migrate from struts 1.x to
> tapestry 5.x.
> We started to learn Tapestry by ourselves. After that, we followed an
> external formation in June 2009 (Paris), 3 days with a similar cost.
> Our company had no problem to send us despite of the price.
> Later, we knew you where coming to Paris and we even thought on a second
> formation as first one was very light. Our company was ok to send us to a
> second formation with you. Despite of the cost again!
> Small freelancers might see the cost as problem... but not companies.
>
> Migration was in standby and finally we didn't do it... (we where sad). We
> where very disappointed and we had the felling that Tapestry was not known
> in our company. So we coded a Tapestry Demo and we started to do an
> internal
> tapestry publicity. We did a presentation in order to make people know
> Tapestry. We arrived to make somebody to choose Tapestry as the
> presentation
> framework on a internal project.
> Workers making other people inside their companies to know Tapestry -
> despite on their actual missions - it's mandatory.
>
> Globally speaking, we have noticed the name "Tapestry" is known by several
> people in France, but in general we have checked that people don't know the
> framework at all.
> The point is that in France nobody has already done a JUG conference about
> Tapestry (neither Paris JUG or a smaller JUGs). We can't say the same thing
> about JSF 2 and Wicket, for example; jsf 2 and wicket people have done
> several presentations all over France Jugs during the last couple of years.
> Publicity, not only in big conferences where not everybody can go, is
> mandatory.
> Experts giving conferences and presentations in their countries and cities
> make people's interest to grow.
>
> Obviously there are probably more factors. :-)
>
>
> 2010/8/5 Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>
>
> > I'm once again partnering with SkillsMatter to teach my full Tapestry
> > workshop. This is an expanded version of the class, which is growing from
> > three days up to four; the additional day will ensure that we have time
> for
> > all the existing materials, and add a new section on testing using
> TestNG,
> > Selenium and Groovy. It will also give us more time to explore student
> > directed ideas, such as security and meta-programming.
> >
> > The class will be taught at SkillsMatter's offices in London, from
> October
> > 5th through the 8th.
> >
> > I'm curious how many people are aware of this training, and how many
> people
> > are located geographically to take advantage of it. I've done the 3 day
> > version of the class twice at SkillsMatter, and I'm looking forward to
> the
> > full 4 day class.
> >
> > I'd like to start a discussion about what it would take to get more
> people
> > to attend the class, and/or what's keeping people from attending (cost,
> > location, etc.).
> >
> > Two other notes:
> >
> > - There will probably be another teach in Paris, in December
> > - The workshop is normally taught on-site for a specific company (I do
> such
> > a teach 2 - 3 times / year)
> >
> > --
> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> >
> > Creator of Apache Tapestry
> >
> > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> > learn
> > how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> >
> > (971) 678-5210
> > http://howardlewisship.com
> >
>

Re: Tapestry Training: London (Oct 2010)

[Katia Aresti Gonzalez <ka...@gmail.com>]

Laurent and me live in Paris. We work for a big international french
company.

We were aware about these formations since last year because we are tapestry
followers.
Last year, in may 2009, our client wanted to migrate from struts 1.x to
tapestry 5.x.
We started to learn Tapestry by ourselves. After that, we followed an
external formation in June 2009 (Paris), 3 days with a similar cost.
Our company had no problem to send us despite of the price.
Later, we knew you where coming to Paris and we even thought on a second
formation as first one was very light. Our company was ok to send us to a
second formation with you. Despite of the cost again!
Small freelancers might see the cost as problem... but not companies.

Migration was in standby and finally we didn't do it... (we where sad). We
where very disappointed and we had the felling that Tapestry was not known
in our company. So we coded a Tapestry Demo and we started to do an internal
tapestry publicity. We did a presentation in order to make people know
Tapestry. We arrived to make somebody to choose Tapestry as the presentation
framework on a internal project.
Workers making other people inside their companies to know Tapestry -
despite on their actual missions - it's mandatory.

Globally speaking, we have noticed the name "Tapestry" is known by several
people in France, but in general we have checked that people don't know the
framework at all.
The point is that in France nobody has already done a JUG conference about
Tapestry (neither Paris JUG or a smaller JUGs). We can't say the same thing
about JSF 2 and Wicket, for example; jsf 2 and wicket people have done
several presentations all over France Jugs during the last couple of years.
Publicity, not only in big conferences where not everybody can go, is
mandatory.
Experts giving conferences and presentations in their countries and cities
make people's interest to grow.

Obviously there are probably more factors. :-)


2010/8/5 Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>

> I'm once again partnering with SkillsMatter to teach my full Tapestry
> workshop. This is an expanded version of the class, which is growing from
> three days up to four; the additional day will ensure that we have time for
> all the existing materials, and add a new section on testing using TestNG,
> Selenium and Groovy. It will also give us more time to explore student
> directed ideas, such as security and meta-programming.
>
> The class will be taught at SkillsMatter's offices in London, from October
> 5th through the 8th.
>
> I'm curious how many people are aware of this training, and how many people
> are located geographically to take advantage of it. I've done the 3 day
> version of the class twice at SkillsMatter, and I'm looking forward to the
> full 4 day class.
>
> I'd like to start a discussion about what it would take to get more people
> to attend the class, and/or what's keeping people from attending (cost,
> location, etc.).
>
> Two other notes:
>
> - There will probably be another teach in Paris, in December
> - The workshop is normally taught on-site for a specific company (I do such
> a teach 2 - 3 times / year)
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn
> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
> http://howardlewisship.com
>