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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com> on 2002/10/01 09:26:54 UTC
reloading ApplicationResources
Hi,
Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
Thanks
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Re: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, micael wrote:
> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:13:10 -0700
> From: micael <ca...@harbornet.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: reloading ApplicationResources
>
> While you are up and about, Craig, is there any place to get a good read on
> what happens when a web server like tomcat or a web application environment
> like struts is deployed? I want to see how the reading of the xml files
> (web, server, struts, etc.) interacts with the container during
> deployment. I can find this all out by slowly going through various
> processes, like the manager reloading or the MBean stuff, by investigation,
> but was hoping there would be someplace that gave a good simple
> explanation. I can imagine how it happens, but don't know.
>
There is no such thing as a general purpose answer to these questions.
The most important response is that the container does ***not*** treat
Struts-based applications anhy differently than any other web application.
So, I can only describe for you how Tomcat 4 approaches the issues:
* The web server, once notified that a new webapp is being proposed
for deployment, will examine the web.xml file for that webapp, to
determine whether there are any syntactic or semantic errors that are
fatal to application startup.
* If the container finds no problems, one of the common convntions is
that any "load on startp" servlets that you have defined in the web.xml
file will be initialzed. Any problems loading these servlets will cause
the applixcation deployment to fail.
In ***all*** circumstances, you should examine the log files emitted by
your application server for details about the specific problem that you
are encunteringg.
Craig
> At 01:03 AM 10/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
> >On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:26:54 +0200
> > > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Subject: reloading ApplicationResources
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
> > >
> >
> > >From Struts 1.1 onward, you will need to use your application server's
> >facilities to reload the web application in order for such changes to be
> >recognized. For Tomcat 4, you can use the "reload" command documented at:
> >
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/manager-howto.html
> >
> >For other servers, consult the appropriate documentation.
> >
> >Craig
> >
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Re: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
While you are up and about, Craig, is there any place to get a good read on
what happens when a web server like tomcat or a web application environment
like struts is deployed? I want to see how the reading of the xml files
(web, server, struts, etc.) interacts with the container during
deployment. I can find this all out by slowly going through various
processes, like the manager reloading or the MBean stuff, by investigation,
but was hoping there would be someplace that gave a good simple
explanation. I can imagine how it happens, but don't know.
At 01:03 AM 10/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:26:54 +0200
> > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Subject: reloading ApplicationResources
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
> >
>
> >From Struts 1.1 onward, you will need to use your application server's
>facilities to reload the web application in order for such changes to be
>recognized. For Tomcat 4, you can use the "reload" command documented at:
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/manager-howto.html
>
>For other servers, consult the appropriate documentation.
>
>Craig
>
>
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by phpsurf <ph...@ifrance.com>.
indeed, it takes quite a long time on my project, because we have a few
processes launched at start-up ...
so it takes about 1 minute to reload :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Owen [mailto:johnlowen_bham@hotmail.com]
> Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 15:49
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
> If you use ant, redeploying to Tomcat, Apache, JBoss or OC4J
> takes little or
> no time.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "phpsurf" <ph...@ifrance.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:02 AM
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
> > Here is my simple opinion :
> >
> > 1. WHEN YOU ARE IN DEVELOPMENT, always adding new actions, and modifying
> > struts-config.xml and ApplicationResources.properties, I really
> think (and
> I
> > know I'm not the only one) it is pure waste of time to have to
> reload your
> > webapp or restart your debugger !
> > 2. WHEN YOU ARE IN PRODUCTION, it is obvious that it is a pure waste of
> > resources to have something that is completely predictable and somewhat
> rare
> > to be constantly monitored by some process.
> >
> > that's why, it seems to be a nice compromizing feature to have something
> > configurable to auto reload your conf when set to do it, and not monitor
> > anything when not asked to !
> >
> > does this analysis seems pertinent to you or not ?
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:48
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > >
> > >
> > > I have no idea what you are excited about. I was just explaining
> > > that the
> > > auto-load works in pre-struts 1.1. I think that it hardly is
> a problem
> > > when you have changed your resource bundle to reload your app with a
> > > manager. I don't know what the present functionality is, but
> it seems a
> > > waste of resources to have something that is completely
> predictable and
> > > somewhat rare to be constantly monitored by some process.
> > >
> > > You seem cranky. Go to bed. ///;-)
> > >
> > > At 10:42 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > > >great !
> > > >but the problem is that in development time, you spend at least
> > > 60% of your
> > > >time reloading your webapp or restarting your debugger !!!
> > > >didn't I read somewhere that the purpose of a framework was,
> > > among others, a
> > > >gain of time ...
> > > >I think this is really an issue to improve in Struts 1.1 !
> > > >of sure, I'm talking about both ApplicationResources.properties and
> > > >struts-config.xml !
> > > >and please, don't invoke obscure security reasons not to do it !
> > > >THERE IS NO SECURITY ISSUE DURING DEVELOPMENT PROCESS !
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > > > > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:31
> > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Victor, you needed to pay attention to Craig saying in Struts
> > > > > 1.1. Presently, the struts application somehow auto-loads
> > > the resource
> > > > > bundles. They auto-load for me all the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Micael
> > > > >
> > > > > At 10:24 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > > > > >If I understand, there is no way to reload the
> > > > > ApplicationResources unless
> > > > > >reloading the webapp.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method
> > > > > "reloadApplicationResources()"
> > > > > >in struts ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file
> > > > > after having
> > > > > >change it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > >De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
> > > > > >Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
> > > > > >A : Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > > >Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > > > > > > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > > > > > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a
> parameter to fix ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat
> > > 4). I don't
> > > > > >know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've
> > > never touched
> > > > > >the 3.3 code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Craig
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by John Owen <jo...@hotmail.com>.
If you use ant, redeploying to Tomcat, Apache, JBoss or OC4J takes little or
no time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "phpsurf" <ph...@ifrance.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:02 AM
Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> Here is my simple opinion :
>
> 1. WHEN YOU ARE IN DEVELOPMENT, always adding new actions, and modifying
> struts-config.xml and ApplicationResources.properties, I really think (and
I
> know I'm not the only one) it is pure waste of time to have to reload your
> webapp or restart your debugger !
> 2. WHEN YOU ARE IN PRODUCTION, it is obvious that it is a pure waste of
> resources to have something that is completely predictable and somewhat
rare
> to be constantly monitored by some process.
>
> that's why, it seems to be a nice compromizing feature to have something
> configurable to auto reload your conf when set to do it, and not monitor
> anything when not asked to !
>
> does this analysis seems pertinent to you or not ?
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:48
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> >
> >
> > I have no idea what you are excited about. I was just explaining
> > that the
> > auto-load works in pre-struts 1.1. I think that it hardly is a problem
> > when you have changed your resource bundle to reload your app with a
> > manager. I don't know what the present functionality is, but it seems a
> > waste of resources to have something that is completely predictable and
> > somewhat rare to be constantly monitored by some process.
> >
> > You seem cranky. Go to bed. ///;-)
> >
> > At 10:42 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > >great !
> > >but the problem is that in development time, you spend at least
> > 60% of your
> > >time reloading your webapp or restarting your debugger !!!
> > >didn't I read somewhere that the purpose of a framework was,
> > among others, a
> > >gain of time ...
> > >I think this is really an issue to improve in Struts 1.1 !
> > >of sure, I'm talking about both ApplicationResources.properties and
> > >struts-config.xml !
> > >and please, don't invoke obscure security reasons not to do it !
> > >THERE IS NO SECURITY ISSUE DURING DEVELOPMENT PROCESS !
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > > > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:31
> > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Victor, you needed to pay attention to Craig saying in Struts
> > > > 1.1. Presently, the struts application somehow auto-loads
> > the resource
> > > > bundles. They auto-load for me all the time.
> > > >
> > > > Micael
> > > >
> > > > At 10:24 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > > > >If I understand, there is no way to reload the
> > > > ApplicationResources unless
> > > > >reloading the webapp.
> > > > >
> > > > >Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method
> > > > "reloadApplicationResources()"
> > > > >in struts ?
> > > > >
> > > > >My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file
> > > > after having
> > > > >change it.
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > > > >De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
> > > > >Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
> > > > >A : Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > >Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > > > > > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > > > > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat
> > 4). I don't
> > > > >know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've
> > never touched
> > > > >the 3.3 code.
> > > > >
> > > > >Craig
> > > > >
> > > > >
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, phpsurf wrote:
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:02:48 +0200
> From: phpsurf <ph...@ifrance.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
> Here is my simple opinion :
>
> 1. WHEN YOU ARE IN DEVELOPMENT, always adding new actions, and modifying
> struts-config.xml and ApplicationResources.properties, I really think (and I
> know I'm not the only one) it is pure waste of time to have to reload your
> webapp or restart your debugger !
> 2. WHEN YOU ARE IN PRODUCTION, it is obvious that it is a pure waste of
> resources to have something that is completely predictable and somewhat rare
> to be constantly monitored by some process.
>
> that's why, it seems to be a nice compromizing feature to have something
> configurable to auto reload your conf when set to do it, and not monitor
> anything when not asked to !
>
> does this analysis seems pertinent to you or not ?
>
Unfortunately, it is not up to Struts to decide whether this can work at
all -- it's up to the container. While one could make reloads of
application resources work on *some* containers, I do not know of any
container that supports things like replacing existing classes on the fly
during development without reloading the app. In my experience, this is a
much more common occurrence during the cycle of development -- and there
is nothing Struts can do to facilitate it.
Your best bet is to do your development on a container that features quick
turnaround on application reloads.
Another alternative for the specific case of application resources is to
investigate using a MessageResources implementation that loads its message
strings from a database as needed. Such a thing has been created (on an
experimental basis so far) by a couple of developers -- check the mailing
list archives for more information.
Craig
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:48
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> >
> >
> > I have no idea what you are excited about. I was just explaining
> > that the
> > auto-load works in pre-struts 1.1. I think that it hardly is a problem
> > when you have changed your resource bundle to reload your app with a
> > manager. I don't know what the present functionality is, but it seems a
> > waste of resources to have something that is completely predictable and
> > somewhat rare to be constantly monitored by some process.
> >
> > You seem cranky. Go to bed. ///;-)
> >
> > At 10:42 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > >great !
> > >but the problem is that in development time, you spend at least
> > 60% of your
> > >time reloading your webapp or restarting your debugger !!!
> > >didn't I read somewhere that the purpose of a framework was,
> > among others, a
> > >gain of time ...
> > >I think this is really an issue to improve in Struts 1.1 !
> > >of sure, I'm talking about both ApplicationResources.properties and
> > >struts-config.xml !
> > >and please, don't invoke obscure security reasons not to do it !
> > >THERE IS NO SECURITY ISSUE DURING DEVELOPMENT PROCESS !
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > > > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:31
> > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Victor, you needed to pay attention to Craig saying in Struts
> > > > 1.1. Presently, the struts application somehow auto-loads
> > the resource
> > > > bundles. They auto-load for me all the time.
> > > >
> > > > Micael
> > > >
> > > > At 10:24 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > > > >If I understand, there is no way to reload the
> > > > ApplicationResources unless
> > > > >reloading the webapp.
> > > > >
> > > > >Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method
> > > > "reloadApplicationResources()"
> > > > >in struts ?
> > > > >
> > > > >My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file
> > > > after having
> > > > >change it.
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > > > >De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
> > > > >Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
> > > > >A : Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > >Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > > > > > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > > > > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat
> > 4). I don't
> > > > >know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've
> > never touched
> > > > >the 3.3 code.
> > > > >
> > > > >Craig
> > > > >
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by phpsurf <ph...@ifrance.com>.
Here is my simple opinion :
1. WHEN YOU ARE IN DEVELOPMENT, always adding new actions, and modifying
struts-config.xml and ApplicationResources.properties, I really think (and I
know I'm not the only one) it is pure waste of time to have to reload your
webapp or restart your debugger !
2. WHEN YOU ARE IN PRODUCTION, it is obvious that it is a pure waste of
resources to have something that is completely predictable and somewhat rare
to be constantly monitored by some process.
that's why, it seems to be a nice compromizing feature to have something
configurable to auto reload your conf when set to do it, and not monitor
anything when not asked to !
does this analysis seems pertinent to you or not ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:48
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
> I have no idea what you are excited about. I was just explaining
> that the
> auto-load works in pre-struts 1.1. I think that it hardly is a problem
> when you have changed your resource bundle to reload your app with a
> manager. I don't know what the present functionality is, but it seems a
> waste of resources to have something that is completely predictable and
> somewhat rare to be constantly monitored by some process.
>
> You seem cranky. Go to bed. ///;-)
>
> At 10:42 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> >great !
> >but the problem is that in development time, you spend at least
> 60% of your
> >time reloading your webapp or restarting your debugger !!!
> >didn't I read somewhere that the purpose of a framework was,
> among others, a
> >gain of time ...
> >I think this is really an issue to improve in Struts 1.1 !
> >of sure, I'm talking about both ApplicationResources.properties and
> >struts-config.xml !
> >and please, don't invoke obscure security reasons not to do it !
> >THERE IS NO SECURITY ISSUE DURING DEVELOPMENT PROCESS !
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:31
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > >
> > >
> > > Victor, you needed to pay attention to Craig saying in Struts
> > > 1.1. Presently, the struts application somehow auto-loads
> the resource
> > > bundles. They auto-load for me all the time.
> > >
> > > Micael
> > >
> > > At 10:24 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > > >If I understand, there is no way to reload the
> > > ApplicationResources unless
> > > >reloading the webapp.
> > > >
> > > >Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method
> > > "reloadApplicationResources()"
> > > >in struts ?
> > > >
> > > >My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file
> > > after having
> > > >change it.
> > > >
> > > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > > >De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
> > > >Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
> > > >A : Struts Users Mailing List
> > > >Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > > > > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > > > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List
> <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat
> 4). I don't
> > > >know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've
> never touched
> > > >the 3.3 code.
> > > >
> > > >Craig
> > > >
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
I have no idea what you are excited about. I was just explaining that the
auto-load works in pre-struts 1.1. I think that it hardly is a problem
when you have changed your resource bundle to reload your app with a
manager. I don't know what the present functionality is, but it seems a
waste of resources to have something that is completely predictable and
somewhat rare to be constantly monitored by some process.
You seem cranky. Go to bed. ///;-)
At 10:42 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>great !
>but the problem is that in development time, you spend at least 60% of your
>time reloading your webapp or restarting your debugger !!!
>didn't I read somewhere that the purpose of a framework was, among others, a
>gain of time ...
>I think this is really an issue to improve in Struts 1.1 !
>of sure, I'm talking about both ApplicationResources.properties and
>struts-config.xml !
>and please, don't invoke obscure security reasons not to do it !
>THERE IS NO SECURITY ISSUE DURING DEVELOPMENT PROCESS !
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:31
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> >
> >
> > Victor, you needed to pay attention to Craig saying in Struts
> > 1.1. Presently, the struts application somehow auto-loads the resource
> > bundles. They auto-load for me all the time.
> >
> > Micael
> >
> > At 10:24 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > >If I understand, there is no way to reload the
> > ApplicationResources unless
> > >reloading the webapp.
> > >
> > >Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method
> > "reloadApplicationResources()"
> > >in struts ?
> > >
> > >My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file
> > after having
> > >change it.
> > >
> > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > >De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
> > >Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
> > >A : Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > > > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > >
> > > > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
> > > >
> > >
> > >No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat 4). I don't
> > >know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've never touched
> > >the 3.3 code.
> > >
> > >Craig
> > >
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>.
After some tests, I understand this :
The ApplictionResources is treated as a class.
in tomcat 4.x, you can say for a webapp (context) to reload modified files
in /WEB-INF/classes
So you can make your property file auto-reload.
I will go to bed less idiot tonight !
Thanks all
-----Message d'origine-----
De : phpsurf [mailto:phpsurf@ifrance.com]
Envoyé : mardi 1 octobre 2002 11:20
À : Struts Users Mailing List
Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> This is ***not*** an issue that Stuts can solve by itself ... successful
> resoluation depends totally on the capabilities of the application server
> you are using for development.
>
partly disagree with that : it's a good thing to let the container do its
job, and try to focus on Strus' job, but we could have in 1.1 a facility
(the one that was in 1.0) for manualy reloading the conf, without having to
reload the entire webapp which is usualy a lot longer !
I'm not even talking about something fully automatic here ...
> I use Tomcat 4.1 for all of my app development efforts. Among other
> things, this lets me take advantage of the dynamic application deployment
> and reload faciliites of Tomcat, as outlined in:
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/manager-howto.html
>
> and
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/appdev/index.html
>
> (both of which are available from a standard Tomcat installation.) It's a
> total waste of time talking about what *Struts* can do to improve this
> situation; the real key is to take advantage of the general web
> application development and debugging support that your container
> supports.
Another point: about the reload facility of the container: before reloading
a webapp, or simply some classes definitions, weblogic 6.1 (which is the
container I use) swaps its memory. the problem, is that many of the static
objects placed in memory by Struts are not serializable, which makes the
webapp crash as soon as a reload tentative happens !
If you have any idea to investigate about that, I'll be interested ... :)
>
> Craig
>
>
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, phpsurf wrote:
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:20:04 +0200
> From: phpsurf <ph...@ifrance.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
> > This is ***not*** an issue that Stuts can solve by itself ... successful
> > resoluation depends totally on the capabilities of the application server
> > you are using for development.
> >
> partly disagree with that : it's a good thing to let the container do its
> job, and try to focus on Strus' job, but we could have in 1.1 a facility
> (the one that was in 1.0) for manualy reloading the conf, without having to
> reload the entire webapp which is usualy a lot longer !
> I'm not even talking about something fully automatic here ...
>
>
Supporting this wouldn't help you in the very common case where you are
recompiling the classes in your webapp. It would also cause *all* Struts
based applications in production to slow down, because Struts would have
to synchronize around all reads of the data structures storing the
configuration information.
> > I use Tomcat 4.1 for all of my app development efforts. Among other
> > things, this lets me take advantage of the dynamic application deployment
> > and reload faciliites of Tomcat, as outlined in:
> >
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/manager-howto.html
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/appdev/index.html
> >
> > (both of which are available from a standard Tomcat installation.) It's a
> > total waste of time talking about what *Struts* can do to improve this
> > situation; the real key is to take advantage of the general web
> > application development and debugging support that your container
> > supports.
>
> Another point: about the reload facility of the container: before reloading
> a webapp, or simply some classes definitions, weblogic 6.1 (which is the
> container I use) swaps its memory. the problem, is that many of the static
> objects placed in memory by Struts are not serializable, which makes the
> webapp crash as soon as a reload tentative happens !
> If you have any idea to investigate about that, I'll be interested ... :)
>
Containers that impose the Serializable requirement on anything other than
session attributes are doing so on their own -- there's nothing in the
platform specifications that talks about that. If this gets in your way,
I'd suggest using a different container (at least for development).
Craig
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by phpsurf <ph...@ifrance.com>.
> This is ***not*** an issue that Stuts can solve by itself ... successful
> resoluation depends totally on the capabilities of the application server
> you are using for development.
>
partly disagree with that : it's a good thing to let the container do its
job, and try to focus on Strus' job, but we could have in 1.1 a facility
(the one that was in 1.0) for manualy reloading the conf, without having to
reload the entire webapp which is usualy a lot longer !
I'm not even talking about something fully automatic here ...
> I use Tomcat 4.1 for all of my app development efforts. Among other
> things, this lets me take advantage of the dynamic application deployment
> and reload faciliites of Tomcat, as outlined in:
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/manager-howto.html
>
> and
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/appdev/index.html
>
> (both of which are available from a standard Tomcat installation.) It's a
> total waste of time talking about what *Struts* can do to improve this
> situation; the real key is to take advantage of the general web
> application development and debugging support that your container
> supports.
Another point: about the reload facility of the container: before reloading
a webapp, or simply some classes definitions, weblogic 6.1 (which is the
container I use) swaps its memory. the problem, is that many of the static
objects placed in memory by Struts are not serializable, which makes the
webapp crash as soon as a reload tentative happens !
If you have any idea to investigate about that, I'll be interested ... :)
>
> Craig
>
>
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, phpsurf wrote:
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:42:29 +0200
> From: phpsurf <ph...@ifrance.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
> great !
> but the problem is that in development time, you spend at least 60% of your
> time reloading your webapp or restarting your debugger !!!
> didn't I read somewhere that the purpose of a framework was, among others, a
> gain of time ...
> I think this is really an issue to improve in Struts 1.1 !
> of sure, I'm talking about both ApplicationResources.properties and
> struts-config.xml !
> and please, don't invoke obscure security reasons not to do it !
> THERE IS NO SECURITY ISSUE DURING DEVELOPMENT PROCESS !
>
This is ***not*** an issue that Stuts can solve by itself ... successful
resoluation depends totally on the capabilities of the application server
you are using for development.
I use Tomcat 4.1 for all of my app development efforts. Among other
things, this lets me take advantage of the dynamic application deployment
and reload faciliites of Tomcat, as outlined in:
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/manager-howto.html
and
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/appdev/index.html
(both of which are available from a standard Tomcat installation.) It's a
total waste of time talking about what *Struts* can do to improve this
situation; the real key is to take advantage of the general web
application development and debugging support that your container
supports.
Craig
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> > Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:31
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> >
> >
> > Victor, you needed to pay attention to Craig saying in Struts
> > 1.1. Presently, the struts application somehow auto-loads the resource
> > bundles. They auto-load for me all the time.
> >
> > Micael
> >
> > At 10:24 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> > >If I understand, there is no way to reload the
> > ApplicationResources unless
> > >reloading the webapp.
> > >
> > >Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method
> > "reloadApplicationResources()"
> > >in struts ?
> > >
> > >My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file
> > after having
> > >change it.
> > >
> > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > >De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
> > >Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
> > >A : Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > > > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > > >
> > > > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
> > > >
> > >
> > >No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat 4). I don't
> > >know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've never touched
> > >the 3.3 code.
> > >
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by phpsurf <ph...@ifrance.com>.
great !
but the problem is that in development time, you spend at least 60% of your
time reloading your webapp or restarting your debugger !!!
didn't I read somewhere that the purpose of a framework was, among others, a
gain of time ...
I think this is really an issue to improve in Struts 1.1 !
of sure, I'm talking about both ApplicationResources.properties and
struts-config.xml !
and please, don't invoke obscure security reasons not to do it !
THERE IS NO SECURITY ISSUE DURING DEVELOPMENT PROCESS !
> -----Original Message-----
> From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
> Sent: mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:31
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
> Victor, you needed to pay attention to Craig saying in Struts
> 1.1. Presently, the struts application somehow auto-loads the resource
> bundles. They auto-load for me all the time.
>
> Micael
>
> At 10:24 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> >If I understand, there is no way to reload the
> ApplicationResources unless
> >reloading the webapp.
> >
> >Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method
> "reloadApplicationResources()"
> >in struts ?
> >
> >My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file
> after having
> >change it.
> >
> >-----Message d'origine-----
> >De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
> >Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
> >A : Struts Users Mailing List
> >Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> > >
> > > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
> > >
> >
> >No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat 4). I don't
> >know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've never touched
> >the 3.3 code.
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
Victor, you needed to pay attention to Craig saying in Struts
1.1. Presently, the struts application somehow auto-loads the resource
bundles. They auto-load for me all the time.
Micael
At 10:24 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>If I understand, there is no way to reload the ApplicationResources unless
>reloading the webapp.
>
>Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method "reloadApplicationResources()"
>in struts ?
>
>My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file after having
>change it.
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
>Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
>A : Struts Users Mailing List
>Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> >
> > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
> >
>
>No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat 4). I don't
>know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've never touched
>the 3.3 code.
>
>Craig
>
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:24:51 +0200
> From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
> If I understand, there is no way to reload the ApplicationResources unless
> reloading the webapp.
>
> Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method "reloadApplicationResources()"
> in struts ?
>
> My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file after having
> change it.
>
You are welcome to propose a patch to the existing Struts code that
accomplishes what you suggest (auto-reload on changes to the application
resources properties file). However, there is no such thing as a portable
mechanism to detect such changes. You are ***much*** better off relying
on the application reload facilities provided by your particular
application server.
Craig
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
> Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
> A : Struts Users Mailing List
> Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> > From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
> >
> > Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
> >
>
> No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat 4). I don't
> know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've never touched
> the 3.3 code.
>
> Craig
>
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>.
If I understand, there is no way to reload the ApplicationResources unless
reloading the webapp.
Isn't it "imaginable" to have a static method "reloadApplicationResources()"
in struts ?
My first goal was to allow an administrator to reload the file after having
change it.
-----Message d'origine-----
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Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 10:05
A : Struts Users Mailing List
Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
> Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
>
No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat 4). I don't
know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've never touched
the 3.3 code.
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:50 +0200
> From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
> Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
>
No. Use the "reload" command of the Manager webapp (Tomcat 4). I don't
know if Tomcat 3.3 has any equivalent facility, since I've never touched
the 3.3 code.
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>.
Nothing like that (Tomcat 3.3.1). Is there a parameter to fix ?
-----Message d'origine-----
De : James Gagan [mailto:jgagan@shaw.ca]
Envoyé : mardi 1 octobre 2002 09:55
À : Struts Users Mailing List
Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Hi Victor,
If you are using tomcat, keep an eye on the console.
If you save any changes to your ApplicationResources, you
should see a message in the console saying it has reloaded it....
james gagan
-----Original Message-----
From: Victor CHEVALIER [mailto:vch@avs-consulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:27 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: reloading ApplicationResources
Hi,
Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
Thanks
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by James Gagan <jg...@shaw.ca>.
Hi Victor,
If you are using tomcat, keep an eye on the console.
If you save any changes to your ApplicationResources, you
should see a message in the console saying it has reloaded it....
james gagan
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Subject: reloading ApplicationResources
Hi,
Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
Thanks
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Re: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Victor CHEVALIER wrote:
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:26:54 +0200
> From: Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
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> Subject: reloading ApplicationResources
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
>
>From Struts 1.1 onward, you will need to use your application server's
facilities to reload the web application in order for such changes to be
recognized. For Tomcat 4, you can use the "reload" command documented at:
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/manager-howto.html
For other servers, consult the appropriate documentation.
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Aha. I understand now - so tomcat (& other containers?) monitor that file
and reload it for you when they detect it has been modified.
Cool!
:-)
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 15:55
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Subject: RE: reloading ApplicationResources
A properties file is a hashtable. But, I should have said "like a
properties file" anyway.
At 03:44 PM 10/1/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>Eh?
>You sure about that?
>I always thought it was loaded in and stored in a hashtable thinghy
>somewhere!
>Does that mean it does a file access every time you access a property -
>surely that would be very inefficient?
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 15:35
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>Subject: Re: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
>You don't need to reload it. It is a properties file. If you change it,
>it will be reflected immediately.
>
>At 09:26 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
> >
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
A properties file is a hashtable. But, I should have said "like a
properties file" anyway.
At 03:44 PM 10/1/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>Eh?
>You sure about that?
>I always thought it was loaded in and stored in a hashtable thinghy
>somewhere!
>Does that mean it does a file access every time you access a property -
>surely that would be very inefficient?
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 15:35
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>Subject: Re: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
>You don't need to reload it. It is a properties file. If you change it,
>it will be reflected immediately.
>
>At 09:26 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
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> >
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
Anyway, just go look at the source code for ResouceBundles, etc. if you are
interested. If you just changed the value of a key, it will work
fine. You probably made some typo or similar mistake. You definitely
don't need to reload anything.
At 09:43 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>I just made a simple test (change the value of a key and reload my page) and
>it doesn't work.
>Should be more complicated ?
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
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>Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 09:45
>A : Struts Users Mailing List
>Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
>Eh?
>You sure about that?
>I always thought it was loaded in and stored in a hashtable thinghy
>somewhere!
>Does that mean it does a file access every time you access a property -
>surely that would be very inefficient?
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 15:35
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>Subject: Re: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
>You don't need to reload it. It is a properties file. If you change it,
>it will be reflected immediately.
>
>At 09:26 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
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> >
> >Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
> >
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Re: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by Eddie Bush <ek...@swbell.net>.
I'm reasonably certain (I should really dig into the code more) that,
for most messages (excluding DBMessageResources, which James said would
take a DB hit for each message retrieved) you can expect they will be
cached (loaded) one time - and then accessed form that cache. Now ...
say you had different locales you were working with - and say (for the
sake of argument) that you had a locale that hadn't been accessed yet
(though the app is deployed). If you modified *that* property file and
then had a hit for that locale, your new changes would be loaded. For
the others - afkaik (pretty certain on this - like 85%) - you are unable
to change them without reloading your app.
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Andrew Hill wrote:
>Eh?
>You sure about that?
>I always thought it was loaded in and stored in a hashtable thinghy
>somewhere!
>Does that mean it does a file access every time you access a property -
>surely that would be very inefficient?
>
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
I run my sites in nine languages and change them all the time, so I know
about this. If your whole page is going dead, then you have some error
referencing the key. You are using the message/key deal, I assume.
At 09:43 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>I just made a simple test (change the value of a key and reload my page) and
>it doesn't work.
>Should be more complicated ?
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
>Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 09:45
>A : Struts Users Mailing List
>Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
>Eh?
>You sure about that?
>I always thought it was loaded in and stored in a hashtable thinghy
>somewhere!
>Does that mean it does a file access every time you access a property -
>surely that would be very inefficient?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 15:35
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: reloading ApplicationResources
>
>
>You don't need to reload it. It is a properties file. If you change it,
>it will be reflected immediately.
>
>At 09:26 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
> >
> >Thanks
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by Victor CHEVALIER <vc...@avs-consulting.com>.
I just made a simple test (change the value of a key and reload my page) and
it doesn't work.
Should be more complicated ?
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
Envoye : mardi 1 octobre 2002 09:45
A : Struts Users Mailing List
Objet : RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Eh?
You sure about that?
I always thought it was loaded in and stored in a hashtable thinghy
somewhere!
Does that mean it does a file access every time you access a property -
surely that would be very inefficient?
-----Original Message-----
From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 15:35
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: reloading ApplicationResources
You don't need to reload it. It is a properties file. If you change it,
it will be reflected immediately.
At 09:26 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
>
>Thanks
>
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RE: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Eh?
You sure about that?
I always thought it was loaded in and stored in a hashtable thinghy
somewhere!
Does that mean it does a file access every time you access a property -
surely that would be very inefficient?
-----Original Message-----
From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 15:35
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: reloading ApplicationResources
You don't need to reload it. It is a properties file. If you change it,
it will be reflected immediately.
At 09:26 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
>
>Thanks
>
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Re: reloading ApplicationResources
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
You don't need to reload it. It is a properties file. If you change it,
it will be reflected immediately.
At 09:26 AM 10/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is there a mean to reload the ApplicationResouces.properties file ?
>
>Thanks
>
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