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I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing????
I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it?
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Robin Ericsson <lo...@gmail.com>.
On 3/27/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing????
>
> I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it?
Development of, currently yes.
Development with, currently no.
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl>.
What's more - suppose I want to create a web application, consisting of
several (Eclipse) projects
reflecting my application layering. Using Maven I first have to figure
out how to setup multimodule
applications and then wait whether this is indeed working properly in
the specific Maven version
I'm using. (I have had nightmarishly bad experiences using Maven and
multimodule setups in the past).
I hope the statement Robin Ericsson has made that:
Development *of* Tapestry depends on Maven but
Development *with* Tapestry doesn't depend on Maven
Will remain that way!
Howard, do you care to confirm this?
Thank you,
-J.
Renat Zubairov wrote:
> Hi
>
> I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a very nice
> framework that really simplify project structure and development
> practices. It has some issues in the dynamic projects like tapestry5
> but in general it works very well (which is reflected by the number of
> projects build by maven).
>
> I'm quite happy that Tapestry is build using maven2.
>
> Renat
>
> On 27/03/07, Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Good catch.
>>
>> Maven has good idea behind but not too good
>> implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly
>> simply can not produce anything useable :(
>>
>> I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency
>> management and publishing: just a bit more work
>> initially but them it all just works...
>>
>> --- Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>>
>> > Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts
>> > steadily growing????
>> >
>> > I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will
>> > it?
>> >
>> >
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>>
>> Konstantin Ignatyev
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen
>> million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of
>> tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate
>> between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons
>> of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase
>> their population by 263,000
>>
>> Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement
>> Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New
>> York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
>>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl>.
Just created a new Tapestry 5 app and am not sure whether things
completed ok.
Maven is given me the following feedback:
[INFO] Created: 20 parsers.
[INFO] Velocimacro : initialization starting.
[INFO] Velocimacro : adding VMs from VM library template :
VM_global_library.vm
[ERROR] ResourceManager : unable to find resource 'VM_global_library.vm'
in any resource loader.
[INFO] Velocimacro : error using VM library template
VM_global_library.vm :
org.apache.velocity.exception.ResourceNotFoundException: Unable to find
resource 'VM_global_library.vm'
[INFO] Velocimacro : VM library template macro registration complete.
[INFO] Velocimacro : allowInline = true : VMs can be defined inline in
templates
[INFO] Velocimacro : allowInlineToOverride = false : VMs defined inline
may NOT replace previous VM definitions
[INFO] Velocimacro : allowInlineLocal = false : VMs defined inline will
be global in scope if allowed.
[INFO] Velocimacro : initialization complete.
[INFO] Velocity successfully started.
[INFO] [archetype:create]
[INFO]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Using following parameters for creating Archetype:
tapestry-simple:5.0.2
[INFO]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Parameter: groupId, Value: com.cumquatit.research.tapestry
[INFO] Parameter: packageName, Value:
com.cumquatit.research.tapestry.secondapp
[INFO] Parameter: basedir, Value: D:\data\proj\Tapestry5\secondapp
[INFO] Parameter: package, Value: com.cumquatit.research.tapestry.secondapp
[INFO] Parameter: version, Value: 1.0-SNAPSHOT
[INFO] Parameter: artifactId, Value: secondapp
[WARNING] org.apache.velocity.runtime.exception.ReferenceException:
reference : template = archetype-resources/pom.xml [line 14,column 22] :
${tapestry-release-version} is not a valid reference.
[WARNING] org.apache.velocity.runtime.exception.ReferenceException:
reference : template = archetype-resources/pom.xml [line 90,column 26] :
${tapestry-release-version} is not a valid reference.
[INFO] ********************* End of debug info from resources from
generated POM ***********************
[WARNING] org.apache.velocity.runtime.exception.ReferenceException:
reference : template =
archetype-resources/src/main/webapp/WEB-INF/Start.html [line 11,column
34] : ${currentTime} is not a valid reference.
[INFO] Archetype created in dir: D:\data\proj\Tapestry5\secondapp\secondapp
[INFO]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] BUILD SUCCESSFUL
[INFO]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Total time: 2 seconds
[INFO] Finished at: Tue Mar 27 17:59:32 CEST 2007
[INFO] Final Memory: 4M/8M
[INFO]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now was the build succesful, or not? And if so why do I get an error?
This what I mean ... I don't want to ask maven questions when I want to
create a Tapestry app.
Renat Zubairov wrote:
> Hi
>
> I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a very nice
> framework that really simplify project structure and development
> practices. It has some issues in the dynamic projects like tapestry5
> but in general it works very well (which is reflected by the number of
> projects build by maven).
>
> I'm quite happy that Tapestry is build using maven2.
>
> Renat
>
> On 27/03/07, Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Good catch.
>>
>> Maven has good idea behind but not too good
>> implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly
>> simply can not produce anything useable :(
>>
>> I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency
>> management and publishing: just a bit more work
>> initially but them it all just works...
>>
>> --- Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>>
>> > Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts
>> > steadily growing????
>> >
>> > I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will
>> > it?
>> >
>> >
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>> > users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Konstantin Ignatyev
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen
>> million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of
>> tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate
>> between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons
>> of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase
>> their population by 263,000
>>
>> Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement
>> Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New
>> York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
>>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl>.
Excellent, thanks Jesse.
-J.
BTW
(We'll stick to good 'ol ANT + Ivy ;-) )
Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> If your company doesn't allow using maven then you can download
> Tapestry like anyone else:
>
> http://tapestry.apache.org/download.html
>
> Other than that you'll be missing out on all of the archetypes /
> snapshot updates / etc. ...You can go find out more about that at :
>
> http://maven.apache.org
>
> Yes - we're using maven for development because it makes our lives
> easier. We're not here to sell you on using / not using maven though.
>
> If you are really curious though, like I said ...Go read the manual. ;)
>
> On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>> Well, that's just because I've had no real answer from any of you.
>> The T5 manual goes into great detail as to how Maven should be used
>> in creating a Tapestry application, Howard Screencast #3 is describing
>> how Maven is used in Tapestry development. His blogs mentions a bunch
>> of stuff related to Maven. All of this to me looks like Maven is playing
>> a vital role in the way T5 should be used.
>>
>> Maybe I should restate my question (and show you that I am sincere and
>> by no means are trying to bully any of you):
>>
>> So here goes:
>>
>> What if I don't want to use Maven, or the project/company that is
>> hiring me
>> doesn't allow me to use Maven - can I still use T5?
>>
>> and...
>>
>> If I'm not using Maven, what are the features of T5 I am missing out on?
>>
>>
>> Hope this makes things clearer,
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -J.
>>
>> Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
>> > It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's
>> > self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a
>> > requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your
>> > question.
>> >
>> > if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a
>> > requirement. If not, I don't know. It's what it used to be before. You
>> > can download each official release like everyone else.
>> >
>> > For some reason your question feels a little bit like bullying. I've
>> > seen you ask it now at least 10-20 times on this mailing list and on
>> > Howard's blog. I think you've asked it enough.
>> >
>> > On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>> >> C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what
>> it says
>> >> at the Maven project info ;-) - we
>> >> as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a
>> >> requirement in our every day work or
>> >> not.
>> >>
>> >> To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven
>> related
>> >> threads in the maillist, whereas
>> >> this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry
>> framework.
>> >>
>> >> Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or
>> >> let the creator of Tapestry state)
>> >> that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with*
>> Tapestry and
>> >> I can go about my business.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> -J.
>> >>
>> >> Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
>> >> > What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS
>> >> > link posted earlier in this thread?
>> >> >
>> >> > At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying.
>> Everyone is
>> >> > free to develop their software however they like, please allow
>> us the
>> >> > same courtesy.
>> >> >
>> >> > On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>> >> >> Howard, please... respond.
>> >> >> -J.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
If your company doesn't allow using maven then you can download
Tapestry like anyone else:
http://tapestry.apache.org/download.html
Other than that you'll be missing out on all of the archetypes /
snapshot updates / etc. ...You can go find out more about that at :
http://maven.apache.org
Yes - we're using maven for development because it makes our lives
easier. We're not here to sell you on using / not using maven though.
If you are really curious though, like I said ...Go read the manual. ;)
On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> Well, that's just because I've had no real answer from any of you.
> The T5 manual goes into great detail as to how Maven should be used
> in creating a Tapestry application, Howard Screencast #3 is describing
> how Maven is used in Tapestry development. His blogs mentions a bunch
> of stuff related to Maven. All of this to me looks like Maven is playing
> a vital role in the way T5 should be used.
>
> Maybe I should restate my question (and show you that I am sincere and
> by no means are trying to bully any of you):
>
> So here goes:
>
> What if I don't want to use Maven, or the project/company that is hiring me
> doesn't allow me to use Maven - can I still use T5?
>
> and...
>
> If I'm not using Maven, what are the features of T5 I am missing out on?
>
>
> Hope this makes things clearer,
> Thank you.
>
> -J.
>
> Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> > It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's
> > self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a
> > requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your
> > question.
> >
> > if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a
> > requirement. If not, I don't know. It's what it used to be before. You
> > can download each official release like everyone else.
> >
> > For some reason your question feels a little bit like bullying. I've
> > seen you ask it now at least 10-20 times on this mailing list and on
> > Howard's blog. I think you've asked it enough.
> >
> > On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> >> C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says
> >> at the Maven project info ;-) - we
> >> as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a
> >> requirement in our every day work or
> >> not.
> >>
> >> To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related
> >> threads in the maillist, whereas
> >> this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry framework.
> >>
> >> Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or
> >> let the creator of Tapestry state)
> >> that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with* Tapestry and
> >> I can go about my business.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -J.
> >>
> >> Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> >> > What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS
> >> > link posted earlier in this thread?
> >> >
> >> > At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is
> >> > free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the
> >> > same courtesy.
> >> >
> >> > On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> >> >> Howard, please... respond.
> >> >> -J.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl>.
Well, that's just because I've had no real answer from any of you.
The T5 manual goes into great detail as to how Maven should be used
in creating a Tapestry application, Howard Screencast #3 is describing
how Maven is used in Tapestry development. His blogs mentions a bunch
of stuff related to Maven. All of this to me looks like Maven is playing
a vital role in the way T5 should be used.
Maybe I should restate my question (and show you that I am sincere and
by no means are trying to bully any of you):
So here goes:
What if I don't want to use Maven, or the project/company that is hiring me
doesn't allow me to use Maven - can I still use T5?
and...
If I'm not using Maven, what are the features of T5 I am missing out on?
Hope this makes things clearer,
Thank you.
-J.
Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's
> self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a
> requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your
> question.
>
> if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a
> requirement. If not, I don't know. It's what it used to be before. You
> can download each official release like everyone else.
>
> For some reason your question feels a little bit like bullying. I've
> seen you ask it now at least 10-20 times on this mailing list and on
> Howard's blog. I think you've asked it enough.
>
> On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>> C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says
>> at the Maven project info ;-) - we
>> as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a
>> requirement in our every day work or
>> not.
>>
>> To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related
>> threads in the maillist, whereas
>> this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry framework.
>>
>> Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or
>> let the creator of Tapestry state)
>> that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with* Tapestry and
>> I can go about my business.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -J.
>>
>> Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
>> > What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS
>> > link posted earlier in this thread?
>> >
>> > At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is
>> > free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the
>> > same courtesy.
>> >
>> > On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>> >> Howard, please... respond.
>> >> -J.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's
self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a
requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your
question.
if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a
requirement. If not, I don't know. It's what it used to be before. You
can download each official release like everyone else.
For some reason your question feels a little bit like bullying. I've
seen you ask it now at least 10-20 times on this mailing list and on
Howard's blog. I think you've asked it enough.
On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says
> at the Maven project info ;-) - we
> as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a
> requirement in our every day work or
> not.
>
> To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related
> threads in the maillist, whereas
> this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry framework.
>
> Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or
> let the creator of Tapestry state)
> that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with* Tapestry and
> I can go about my business.
>
> Thanks,
> -J.
>
> Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> > What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS
> > link posted earlier in this thread?
> >
> > At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is
> > free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the
> > same courtesy.
> >
> > On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> >> Howard, please... respond.
> >> -J.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl>.
C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says
at the Maven project info ;-) - we
as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a
requirement in our every day work or
not.
To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related
threads in the maillist, whereas
this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry framework.
Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or
let the creator of Tapestry state)
that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with* Tapestry and
I can go about my business.
Thanks,
-J.
Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS
> link posted earlier in this thread?
>
> At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is
> free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the
> same courtesy.
>
> On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>> Howard, please... respond.
>> -J.
>>
>
>
>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS
link posted earlier in this thread?
At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is
free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the
same courtesy.
On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> Howard, please... respond.
> -J.
>
--
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Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl>.
> but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of
> standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention
> transitive
> dependency management.
Sure - but in my opinion this shouldn't be imposed by a web application
framework. I should be able to decide whether to use Maven in my project
and not Tapestry. What if I'm not allowed to use Maven in a company. I
worked on a project that for security reasons didn't allow any stuff being
downloaded onto a developer's workstation from the internet. I want to be
able just to grab the required libraries and setup my project as I see
fit. This insulates me from things like; the repositories being
unreachable, faulty new versions of plugins, etc. etc.
Howard, please... respond.
-J.
> I wasn't a very big fan of Maven 1, but I really like Maven 2. I've spent
> a
> couple of days in the aggregate tearing my hair out over various Maven 2
> quirks, but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of
> standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention
> transitive
> dependency management.
>
>
> On 3/27/07, Borut Bolèina <bo...@najdi.si> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Konstantin Ignatyev wrote:
>> > http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59
>> This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005.
>>
>> I share my oppinion with
>> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686
>>
>> Best,
>> Borut
>>
>> P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny.
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Miguel Angel Hernández <mi...@gmail.com>.
I find maven extremely useful, not only for my own projects. But also for
building fresh checkouts from other os projects.
Its really time saving and handy.
We are currently working in a multimodule project using maven and it's
working charmingly.
On 3/27/07, D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wasn't a very big fan of Maven 1, but I really like Maven 2. I've spent
> a
> couple of days in the aggregate tearing my hair out over various Maven 2
> quirks, but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of
> standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention
> transitive
> dependency management.
>
>
> On 3/27/07, Borut Bolčina <bo...@najdi.si> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Konstantin Ignatyev wrote:
> > > http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59
> > This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005.
> >
> > I share my oppinion with
> > http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686
> >
> > Best,
> > Borut
> >
> > P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny.
> >
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by D&J Gredler <dj...@gmail.com>.
I wasn't a very big fan of Maven 1, but I really like Maven 2. I've spent a
couple of days in the aggregate tearing my hair out over various Maven 2
quirks, but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of
standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention transitive
dependency management.
On 3/27/07, Borut Bolčina <bo...@najdi.si> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Konstantin Ignatyev wrote:
> > http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59
> This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005.
>
> I share my oppinion with
> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686
>
> Best,
> Borut
>
> P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny.
>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com>.
--- Borut BolÄina <bo...@najdi.si> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Konstantin Ignatyev wrote:
> > http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59
> This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th,
> 2005.
>
Insulting, but pretty damn valid IMO to this day
(Mar-27-2007).
> I share my oppinion with
>
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686
>
I see build tools as part of compiler and I think
nobody will be satisfied with a compiler working fine
80% of the time.
Why such tolerance of build tools misbehavior is the
mystery for me.
Konstantin Ignatyev
PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Borut Bolčina <bo...@najdi.si>.
Hello,
Konstantin Ignatyev wrote:
> http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59
This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005.
I share my oppinion with
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686
Best,
Borut
P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny.
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com>.
Maven is very much like Windows and Project Wizards -
does work fine till we need something slightly
different than "they" think we would need.
For example I think that:
Much praised transitive dependencies in Maven 2 is
simply abomination because it makes build dependent
on repository content. I mean that that exactly the
same pom can create different deliverables with
different content, or one build will be successful and
another will not. This is happening because of version
ranges for dependencies and lack of explicit control
over them paired with simple to use update tool.
http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59
--- Renat Zubairov <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a
> very nice
> framework that really simplify project structure and
> development
> practices. It has some issues in the dynamic
> projects like tapestry5
> but in general it works very well (which is
> reflected by the number of
> projects build by maven).
>
> I'm quite happy that Tapestry is build using maven2.
>
> Renat
>
> On 27/03/07, Konstantin Ignatyev
> <kg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Good catch.
> >
> > Maven has good idea behind but not too good
> > implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly
> > simply can not produce anything useable :(
> >
> > I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for
> dependency
> > management and publishing: just a bit more work
> > initially but them it all just works...
> >
> > --- Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > Is it me, or is the amount of maven related
> posts
> > > steadily growing????
> > >
> > > I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or
> will
> > > it?
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > Konstantin Ignatyev
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth,
> humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to
> the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical
> rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert,
> eliminate between forty to one hundred species,
> erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700
> tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their
> population by 263,000
> >
> > Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the
> Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for
> Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New
> York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4)
> (5) (p.206)
> >
> >
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Renat Zubairov <re...@gmail.com>.
Hi
I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a very nice
framework that really simplify project structure and development
practices. It has some issues in the dynamic projects like tapestry5
but in general it works very well (which is reflected by the number of
projects build by maven).
I'm quite happy that Tapestry is build using maven2.
Renat
On 27/03/07, Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good catch.
>
> Maven has good idea behind but not too good
> implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly
> simply can not produce anything useable :(
>
> I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency
> management and publishing: just a bit more work
> initially but them it all just works...
>
> --- Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
>
> > Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts
> > steadily growing????
> >
> > I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will
> > it?
> >
> >
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>
>
>
>
> PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
>
> Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
>
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Posted by Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com>.
Good catch.
Maven has good idea behind but not too good
implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly
simply can not produce anything useable :(
I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency
management and publishing: just a bit more work
initially but them it all just works...
--- Jan Vissers <Ja...@cumquat.nl> wrote:
> Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts
> steadily growing????
>
> I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will
> it?
>
>
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