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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com> on 2002/07/19 15:04:46 UTC
FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as
part of their website docs for example ?
-Vincent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
> Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
> To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
> Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
>
> Hi Vincent,
>
> I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for you.
> I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
academic
> licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
members.
>
> Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta sub-
> projects?
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> Richard Pitt
> Mentor
> TogetherSoft UK
>
> direct +44 14 8986 6029
> mobile +44 77 7328 6784
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Re: FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Cool. I support this whole heartedly then (provided the license I sign
is not horrible). As I understand it
Together runs on linux. hopefully that version provided will do so.
While I support free software (and anyone will tell you I border on
fanaticism), I have no issue with using
commercial software where there is no good free alternative. (like for UML)
I understand the lament that it might restrict those who are able to
develop the UML, and share that concern,
but having licenses for at least the committers to the projects would be
agreeable to me. A nice benefit as well.
-andy
Danny Angus wrote:
>>Would this be the *useful* version of Together (can it do more than
>>basic class diagrams) or the same
>>thing as the 30 day license I can download from the website that
>>basically just does class diagrams and no
>>form of interaction diagrams?
>>
>>
>
>Nah, the CC is the full bannana, with all diagrams, printing and code
>generation. (round trip I hope..)
>
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RE: FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
> Would this be the *useful* version of Together (can it do more than
> basic class diagrams) or the same
> thing as the 30 day license I can download from the website that
> basically just does class diagrams and no
> form of interaction diagrams?
Nah, the CC is the full bannana, with all diagrams, printing and code
generation. (round trip I hope..)
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Re: FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
I'm pretty sure some folks including myself would like this.
For POI we tried using ArgoUML/etc for this but eventually got very
frustrated with it.
Would this be the *useful* version of Together (can it do more than
basic class diagrams) or the same
thing as the 30 day license I can download from the website that
basically just does class diagrams and no
form of interaction diagrams?
If it is the one that can do all the good stuff and isn't limited to 5
classes or something screwy then I'd be
very much interested (I know that sounds like looking a gift horse in
the mouth but I value my disk space --
get a hard drive vendor to sponsor all jarkata committers with SCSI
drives and I'll name my first born after
you).
Thanks,
Andy
Leo Simons wrote:
>On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 15:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
>
>
>>What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
>>TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as
>>part of their website docs for example ?
>>
>>
>
>yes!
>
>It's funny to see jakarta as an academy though.
>
>You think you can get them to extend the offer to all of apache? (some
>of our friends at xml may like it, too :)
>
>- Leo
>
>
>
>>-Vincent
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
>>>Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
>>>To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
>>>Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
>>>
>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>
>>> I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for you.
>>> I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
>>>
>>>
>>academic
>>
>>
>>> licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
>>>
>>>
>>members.
>>
>>
>>> Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta sub-
>>>projects?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Richard Pitt
>>> Mentor
>>> TogetherSoft UK
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 15:04, Vincent Massol wrote:
> What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
> TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as
> part of their website docs for example ?
yes!
It's funny to see jakarta as an academy though.
You think you can get them to extend the offer to all of apache? (some
of our friends at xml may like it, too :)
- Leo
>
> -Vincent
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
> > Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
> > To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
> > Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
> >
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for you.
> > I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
> academic
> > licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
> members.
> >
> > Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta sub-
> > projects?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard
> >
> > Richard Pitt
> > Mentor
> > TogetherSoft UK
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Re: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Danny Angus wrote:
>>And for value added development tools that do not severely impact the
>>openness of our community, I would
>>encourage them to do so.
>>
>>
>
>Jeez Andy, don't be so restrictive, encourage Breweries too ..
>
>
Oh hell yeah!
To anyone wishing to send me:
1. Clothing
2. Beer - (provided it meets my definition of beer)
3. Wine
4. Single Malt Scotch
5. Tequilla (provided it meets my definition of tequilla)
6. Cool software
7. Hardware
I will add a thank you to my web pages, put my love for you in my
tagline and or wear it when I make public appearances. And tell
everyone how much I love you :-) (this obvisouly scales by the quality,
importance, size, perminance, etc of what you send me ;-) )
-Andy
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RE: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
> And for value added development tools that do not severely impact the
> openness of our community, I would
> encourage them to do so.
Jeez Andy, don't be so restrictive, encourage Breweries too ..
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Re: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
>
> YAVP (yet another valid point).
>
> TogetherSoft's offer is a smart marketing move. I would expect other
> software companies to make similar offerings.
And for value added development tools that do not severely impact the
openness of our community, I would
encourage them to do so.
>
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Re: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Ceki Gülcü <ce...@qos.ch>.
At 09:33 19.07.2002 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>On 7/19/02 9:04 AM, "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
>
> > What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
> > TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as
> > part of their website docs for example ?
>
>Any chance of using an open source tool?
>
>I'm not sure we want to commit to a commercial tool unless all jakarta
>committers get access to that tool, and that as we add more committers, they
>can get a copy as well.
Valid point.
>We also don't want it to be that to ever use, modify or contribute back to a
>project, an end-user has to acquire expensive commercial software.
YAVP (yet another valid point).
TogetherSoft's offer is a smart marketing move. I would expect other
software companies to make similar offerings.
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Re: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
That is a most excellent idea. Alternatively, it could be done along
with the access granting procedures if
root is willing.
-Andy
Vincent Massol wrote:
>What I would personally like is a special page on togethersoft web site
>for jakarta/apache users where someone can add his apache email address
>and receive the free license. This will let TogetherSoft verify that the
>person is indeed an apache user (by checking his email) and it will also
>let new apache users easily get a license should they need to.
>
>What do you think ?
>
>Thanks
>-Vincent
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geirm@adeptra.com]
>>Sent: 19 July 2002 14:34
>>To: Jakarta General List
>>Subject: Re: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
>>
>>On 7/19/02 9:04 AM, "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
>>>TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams
>>>
>>>
>as
>
>
>>>part of their website docs for example ?
>>>
>>>
>>Any chance of using an open source tool?
>>
>>I'm not sure we want to commit to a commercial tool unless all jakarta
>>committers get access to that tool, and that as we add more
>>
>>
>committers,
>
>
>>they
>>can get a copy as well.
>>
>>We also don't want it to be that to ever use, modify or contribute
>>
>>
>back to
>
>
>>a
>>project, an end-user has to acquire expensive commercial software.
>>
>>My 0.02
>>
>>
>>
>>>-Vincent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
>>>>Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
>>>>To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
>>>>Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
>>>>
>>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>>
>>>> I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for
>>>>
>>>>
>you.
>
>
>>>> I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
>>>>
>>>>
>>>academic
>>>
>>>
>>>> licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>members.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta
>>>>
>>>>
>sub-
>
>
>>>>projects?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> Richard Pitt
>>>> Mentor
>>>> TogetherSoft UK
>>>>
>>>> direct +44 14 8986 6029
>>>> mobile +44 77 7328 6784
>>>>
>>>>
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RE: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Like that idea..
Mvgr,
Martin
On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 16:00, Vincent Massol wrote:
> What I would personally like is a special page on togethersoft web site
> for jakarta/apache users where someone can add his apache email address
> and receive the free license. This will let TogetherSoft verify that the
> person is indeed an apache user (by checking his email) and it will also
> let new apache users easily get a license should they need to.
>
> What do you think ?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geirm@adeptra.com]
> > Sent: 19 July 2002 14:34
> > To: Jakarta General List
> > Subject: Re: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
> >
> > On 7/19/02 9:04 AM, "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
> > > TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams
> as
> > > part of their website docs for example ?
> >
> > Any chance of using an open source tool?
> >
> > I'm not sure we want to commit to a commercial tool unless all jakarta
> > committers get access to that tool, and that as we add more
> committers,
> > they
> > can get a copy as well.
> >
> > We also don't want it to be that to ever use, modify or contribute
> back to
> > a
> > project, an end-user has to acquire expensive commercial software.
> >
> > My 0.02
> >
> > >
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
> > >> Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
> > >> To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
> > >> Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
> > >>
> > >> Hi Vincent,
> > >>
> > >> I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for
> you.
> > >> I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
> > > academic
> > >> licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
> > > members.
> > >>
> > >> Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta
> sub-
> > >> projects?
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Richard
> > >>
> > >> Richard Pitt
> > >> Mentor
> > >> TogetherSoft UK
> > >>
> > >> direct +44 14 8986 6029
> > >> mobile +44 77 7328 6784
> > >
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RE: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
What I would personally like is a special page on togethersoft web site
for jakarta/apache users where someone can add his apache email address
and receive the free license. This will let TogetherSoft verify that the
person is indeed an apache user (by checking his email) and it will also
let new apache users easily get a license should they need to.
What do you think ?
Thanks
-Vincent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geirm@adeptra.com]
> Sent: 19 July 2002 14:34
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
>
> On 7/19/02 9:04 AM, "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
>
> > What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
> > TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams
as
> > part of their website docs for example ?
>
> Any chance of using an open source tool?
>
> I'm not sure we want to commit to a commercial tool unless all jakarta
> committers get access to that tool, and that as we add more
committers,
> they
> can get a copy as well.
>
> We also don't want it to be that to ever use, modify or contribute
back to
> a
> project, an end-user has to acquire expensive commercial software.
>
> My 0.02
>
> >
> > -Vincent
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
> >> Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
> >> To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
> >> Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
> >>
> >> Hi Vincent,
> >>
> >> I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for
you.
> >> I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
> > academic
> >> licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
> > members.
> >>
> >> Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta
sub-
> >> projects?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> Richard Pitt
> >> Mentor
> >> TogetherSoft UK
> >>
> >> direct +44 14 8986 6029
> >> mobile +44 77 7328 6784
> >
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Re: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@adeptra.com>.
On 7/19/02 9:04 AM, "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
> What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
> TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as
> part of their website docs for example ?
Any chance of using an open source tool?
I'm not sure we want to commit to a commercial tool unless all jakarta
committers get access to that tool, and that as we add more committers, they
can get a copy as well.
We also don't want it to be that to ever use, modify or contribute back to a
project, an end-user has to acquire expensive commercial software.
My 0.02
>
> -Vincent
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
>> Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
>> To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
>> Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
>>
>> Hi Vincent,
>>
>> I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for you.
>> I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
> academic
>> licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
> members.
>>
>> Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta sub-
>> projects?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> Richard Pitt
>> Mentor
>> TogetherSoft UK
>>
>> direct +44 14 8986 6029
>> mobile +44 77 7328 6784
>
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RE: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
Little known but very cool fact. Thanks Danny.
Will be checking out both products :) [Together/Refactor].
Hen
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Danny Angus wrote:
> Yes please..
> although I use Magic Draw already.
>
> Plus.. Its a little know fact that commiters can also get free licence for
> RefactorIT, I went to renew my beta licence the other day and they told me
> so.
>
> d.
>
> PS.. I love free stuff, Borland..can we have JBuilder7 pro? ;-)
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vincent Massol [mailto:vmassol@octo.com]
> > Sent: 19 July 2002 14:05
> > To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
> >
> >
> > What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
> > TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as
> > part of their website docs for example ?
> >
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
> > > Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
> > > To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
> > >
> > > Hi Vincent,
> > >
> > > I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for you.
> > > I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
> > academic
> > > licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
> > members.
> > >
> > > Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta sub-
> > > projects?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > Richard Pitt
> > > Mentor
> > > TogetherSoft UK
> > >
> > > direct +44 14 8986 6029
> > > mobile +44 77 7328 6784
> >
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RE: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
Yes please..
although I use Magic Draw already.
Plus.. Its a little know fact that commiters can also get free licence for
RefactorIT, I went to renew my beta licence the other day and they told me
so.
d.
PS.. I love free stuff, Borland..can we have JBuilder7 pro? ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Massol [mailto:vmassol@octo.com]
> Sent: 19 July 2002 14:05
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
>
>
> What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free
> TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as
> part of their website docs for example ?
>
> -Vincent
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
> > Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
> > To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
> > Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
> >
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence issue for you.
> > I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
> academic
> > licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
> members.
> >
> > Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by jakarta sub-
> > projects?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard
> >
> > Richard Pitt
> > Mentor
> > TogetherSoft UK
> >
> > direct +44 14 8986 6029
> > mobile +44 77 7328 6784
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RE: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
> From: Vincent Massol [mailto:vmassol@octo.com]
>
> What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a
> free TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create
> UML diagrams as part of their website docs for example ?
I personally want it. Here are the points that make ControleCenter
a must have--UML is not top priority:
1) Auto generation of sequence diagrams. Ever wanted to know
just how much crap is happining in your servlet to process
one request?
2) Planning. UML is good for planning--more than reverse engineering.
3) The code quality metrics. You get tons of useful (and some not so
useful) feedback from these reports. It will tell you if you have
too much complezity, or other very useful metrics that help with
the overall quality of code.
4) Programming by patterns. It will autogenerate most of a pattern
for you--and allow you to fill in the blanks. Are the javadoc
additions needed? no. You don't have to use them.
This is what I grew dependant on when I demoed TogetherCC (minus the
patterns support).
>
> -Vincent
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Pitt [mailto:richard.pitt@togethersoft.com]
> > Sent: 19 July 2002 10:47
> > To: Vincent Massol (E-mail)
> > Subject: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects
> >
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > I am just persuing the Together ControlCenter licence
> issue for you.
> > I am proposing that TogetherSoft gives the Jakarta Project an
> academic
> > licence, and that all the committers be considered as faculty
> members.
> >
> > Do you think this would be useful for and/or wanted by
> jakarta sub-
> > projects?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard
> >
> > Richard Pitt
> > Mentor
> > TogetherSoft UK
> >
> > direct +44 14 8986 6029
> > mobile +44 77 7328 6784
>
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