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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Montalbano Florian <fl...@nereide.fr> on 2016/07/13 09:07:22 UTC
Billing Project hours and Scrum hours in the same invoice
Hi all,
I have a client who wants only one invoice for the several projects we
have with him.
So, I'm trying to create an invoice from the hours spent on a project
managed in the "Project" component and from the hours spent on a project
managed in the "Scrum" component.
On the one hand, the billing from the two components seems close and I
was wondering if there was a way to create a project including the two
other (as sub-project) to then bill all the hours registered in the same
invoice.
On the other hand, it feels like the client asks for something not that
standard with this and maybe I should find a way to "merge" the two
invoices instead.
What are you thoughts on this subject ?
Thanks,
Have a nice day,
Florian Montalbano
Re: Billing Project hours and Scrum hours in the same invoice
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
+1
Jacques
Le 13/07/2016 � 12:22, Pierre Smits a �crit :
> HI Florian,
>
> That seems to be a fairly acceptable approach.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Montalbano Florian <
> florian.montalbano@nereide.fr> wrote:
>
>> Thanks again ! I'm glad and impressed by the quick answers and their
>> thoughtful content !
>>
>> To respect the generic solution, maybe we could start with the possibility
>> to bill hours of all the sub-projects of a project in one invoice.
>> In the "Project" component, there already is a "sub-project" relation and
>> you can even list the actual hours of every sub-projects of this project.
>> But you can't bill the hours spent on the sub-projects from the 'father'
>> project.
>>
>> Would allowing this billing be generic enough ?
>> The result would be :
>> - If I'm on the 'father' project and I select the tab "billing", I could
>> create an invoice with all the hours reported/approved of the sub-projects
>> - If I'm on a sub-project, I could still "bill" the hours specific to this
>> project and have one invoice by sub-project
>>
>> This would be for the "Project" component only (I'm completely letting
>> aside the crossing Scrum/Project for this subject)
>>
>> Have a nice day,
>>
>> Florian Montalbano
>>
>>
>> Le 13/07/2016 11:37, Pierre Smits a �crit :
>>
>>> Hi Florian,
>>>
>>> Yes, It is fairly common - across the various industry sectors - that
>>> framework agreements dictate that combined invoices will be delivered.
>>> E.g.
>>> in the logistic services where the LSP provides a monthly aggregated
>>> service invoice for al the transport orders they have executed. Or in the
>>> Professional services sector with respect of secondment. Even in B2B trade
>>> sectors this happens.
>>>
>>> Now if you can come up with a generic solution that would be acceptable as
>>> a baseline, then this could be introduced and included as a new feature or
>>> enhancement of the accounting component. This would surely increase the
>>> appeal of OFBiz...
>>>
>>> If you feel you can, why don't create a JIRA issue, solicit support and
>>> help getting that resolved.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>
>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>
>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
>>> slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Florian,
>>>> My personal opinion on this would be that this is a customization that is
>>>> probably better not to introduce directly to the framework. Probably many
>>>> customers require many different variations on billing. So this is a
>>>> place
>>>> where an infinite amount of variations can happen right?
>>>>
>>>> So I would suggest to you to work on SECAs to wire up the invoicing to
>>>> your
>>>> liking. This is the easiest way I can think of that has minimal
>>>> intervention on the code without digging into too much detail.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is useful.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Montalbano Florian <
>>>> florian.montalbano@nereide.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I have a client who wants only one invoice for the several projects we
>>>>> have with him.
>>>>> So, I'm trying to create an invoice from the hours spent on a project
>>>>> managed in the "Project" component and from the hours spent on a project
>>>>> managed in the "Scrum" component.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the one hand, the billing from the two components seems close and I
>>>>>
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>>> wondering if there was a way to create a project including the two other
>>>>> (as sub-project) to then bill all the hours registered in the same
>>>>>
>>>> invoice.
>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, it feels like the client asks for something not that
>>>>> standard with this and maybe I should find a way to "merge" the two
>>>>> invoices instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you thoughts on this subject ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Have a nice day,
>>>>>
>>>>> Florian Montalbano
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
Re: Billing Project hours and Scrum hours in the same invoice
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
HI Florian,
That seems to be a fairly acceptable approach.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Montalbano Florian <
florian.montalbano@nereide.fr> wrote:
> Thanks again ! I'm glad and impressed by the quick answers and their
> thoughtful content !
>
> To respect the generic solution, maybe we could start with the possibility
> to bill hours of all the sub-projects of a project in one invoice.
> In the "Project" component, there already is a "sub-project" relation and
> you can even list the actual hours of every sub-projects of this project.
> But you can't bill the hours spent on the sub-projects from the 'father'
> project.
>
> Would allowing this billing be generic enough ?
> The result would be :
> - If I'm on the 'father' project and I select the tab "billing", I could
> create an invoice with all the hours reported/approved of the sub-projects
> - If I'm on a sub-project, I could still "bill" the hours specific to this
> project and have one invoice by sub-project
>
> This would be for the "Project" component only (I'm completely letting
> aside the crossing Scrum/Project for this subject)
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Florian Montalbano
>
>
> Le 13/07/2016 11:37, Pierre Smits a écrit :
>
>> Hi Florian,
>>
>> Yes, It is fairly common - across the various industry sectors - that
>> framework agreements dictate that combined invoices will be delivered.
>> E.g.
>> in the logistic services where the LSP provides a monthly aggregated
>> service invoice for al the transport orders they have executed. Or in the
>> Professional services sector with respect of secondment. Even in B2B trade
>> sectors this happens.
>>
>> Now if you can come up with a generic solution that would be acceptable as
>> a baseline, then this could be introduced and included as a new feature or
>> enhancement of the accounting component. This would surely increase the
>> appeal of OFBiz...
>>
>> If you feel you can, why don't create a JIRA issue, solicit support and
>> help getting that resolved.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
>> slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Florian,
>>>
>>> My personal opinion on this would be that this is a customization that is
>>> probably better not to introduce directly to the framework. Probably many
>>> customers require many different variations on billing. So this is a
>>> place
>>> where an infinite amount of variations can happen right?
>>>
>>> So I would suggest to you to work on SECAs to wire up the invoicing to
>>> your
>>> liking. This is the easiest way I can think of that has minimal
>>> intervention on the code without digging into too much detail.
>>>
>>> I hope this is useful.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Montalbano Florian <
>>> florian.montalbano@nereide.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have a client who wants only one invoice for the several projects we
>>>> have with him.
>>>> So, I'm trying to create an invoice from the hours spent on a project
>>>> managed in the "Project" component and from the hours spent on a project
>>>> managed in the "Scrum" component.
>>>>
>>>> On the one hand, the billing from the two components seems close and I
>>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>> wondering if there was a way to create a project including the two other
>>>> (as sub-project) to then bill all the hours registered in the same
>>>>
>>> invoice.
>>>
>>>> On the other hand, it feels like the client asks for something not that
>>>> standard with this and maybe I should find a way to "merge" the two
>>>> invoices instead.
>>>>
>>>> What are you thoughts on this subject ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Have a nice day,
>>>>
>>>> Florian Montalbano
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
Re: Billing Project hours and Scrum hours in the same invoice
Posted by Montalbano Florian <fl...@nereide.fr>.
Thanks again ! I'm glad and impressed by the quick answers and their
thoughtful content !
To respect the generic solution, maybe we could start with the
possibility to bill hours of all the sub-projects of a project in one
invoice.
In the "Project" component, there already is a "sub-project" relation
and you can even list the actual hours of every sub-projects of this
project. But you can't bill the hours spent on the sub-projects from the
'father' project.
Would allowing this billing be generic enough ?
The result would be :
- If I'm on the 'father' project and I select the tab "billing", I could
create an invoice with all the hours reported/approved of the sub-projects
- If I'm on a sub-project, I could still "bill" the hours specific to
this project and have one invoice by sub-project
This would be for the "Project" component only (I'm completely letting
aside the crossing Scrum/Project for this subject)
Have a nice day,
Florian Montalbano
Le 13/07/2016 11:37, Pierre Smits a �crit :
> Hi Florian,
>
> Yes, It is fairly common - across the various industry sectors - that
> framework agreements dictate that combined invoices will be delivered. E.g.
> in the logistic services where the LSP provides a monthly aggregated
> service invoice for al the transport orders they have executed. Or in the
> Professional services sector with respect of secondment. Even in B2B trade
> sectors this happens.
>
> Now if you can come up with a generic solution that would be acceptable as
> a baseline, then this could be introduced and included as a new feature or
> enhancement of the accounting component. This would surely increase the
> appeal of OFBiz...
>
> If you feel you can, why don't create a JIRA issue, solicit support and
> help getting that resolved.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
> slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Florian,
>>
>> My personal opinion on this would be that this is a customization that is
>> probably better not to introduce directly to the framework. Probably many
>> customers require many different variations on billing. So this is a place
>> where an infinite amount of variations can happen right?
>>
>> So I would suggest to you to work on SECAs to wire up the invoicing to your
>> liking. This is the easiest way I can think of that has minimal
>> intervention on the code without digging into too much detail.
>>
>> I hope this is useful.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Montalbano Florian <
>> florian.montalbano@nereide.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a client who wants only one invoice for the several projects we
>>> have with him.
>>> So, I'm trying to create an invoice from the hours spent on a project
>>> managed in the "Project" component and from the hours spent on a project
>>> managed in the "Scrum" component.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, the billing from the two components seems close and I
>> was
>>> wondering if there was a way to create a project including the two other
>>> (as sub-project) to then bill all the hours registered in the same
>> invoice.
>>> On the other hand, it feels like the client asks for something not that
>>> standard with this and maybe I should find a way to "merge" the two
>>> invoices instead.
>>>
>>> What are you thoughts on this subject ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Have a nice day,
>>>
>>> Florian Montalbano
>>>
>>>
Re: Billing Project hours and Scrum hours in the same invoice
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Florian,
Yes, It is fairly common - across the various industry sectors - that
framework agreements dictate that combined invoices will be delivered. E.g.
in the logistic services where the LSP provides a monthly aggregated
service invoice for al the transport orders they have executed. Or in the
Professional services sector with respect of secondment. Even in B2B trade
sectors this happens.
Now if you can come up with a generic solution that would be acceptable as
a baseline, then this could be introduced and included as a new feature or
enhancement of the accounting component. This would surely increase the
appeal of OFBiz...
If you feel you can, why don't create a JIRA issue, solicit support and
help getting that resolved.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> My personal opinion on this would be that this is a customization that is
> probably better not to introduce directly to the framework. Probably many
> customers require many different variations on billing. So this is a place
> where an infinite amount of variations can happen right?
>
> So I would suggest to you to work on SECAs to wire up the invoicing to your
> liking. This is the easiest way I can think of that has minimal
> intervention on the code without digging into too much detail.
>
> I hope this is useful.
>
> Regards,
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Montalbano Florian <
> florian.montalbano@nereide.fr> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > I have a client who wants only one invoice for the several projects we
> > have with him.
> > So, I'm trying to create an invoice from the hours spent on a project
> > managed in the "Project" component and from the hours spent on a project
> > managed in the "Scrum" component.
> >
> > On the one hand, the billing from the two components seems close and I
> was
> > wondering if there was a way to create a project including the two other
> > (as sub-project) to then bill all the hours registered in the same
> invoice.
> >
> > On the other hand, it feels like the client asks for something not that
> > standard with this and maybe I should find a way to "merge" the two
> > invoices instead.
> >
> > What are you thoughts on this subject ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Have a nice day,
> >
> > Florian Montalbano
> >
> >
>
Re: Billing Project hours and Scrum hours in the same invoice
Posted by Taher Alkhateeb <sl...@gmail.com>.
Hi Florian,
My personal opinion on this would be that this is a customization that is
probably better not to introduce directly to the framework. Probably many
customers require many different variations on billing. So this is a place
where an infinite amount of variations can happen right?
So I would suggest to you to work on SECAs to wire up the invoicing to your
liking. This is the easiest way I can think of that has minimal
intervention on the code without digging into too much detail.
I hope this is useful.
Regards,
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Montalbano Florian <
florian.montalbano@nereide.fr> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have a client who wants only one invoice for the several projects we
> have with him.
> So, I'm trying to create an invoice from the hours spent on a project
> managed in the "Project" component and from the hours spent on a project
> managed in the "Scrum" component.
>
> On the one hand, the billing from the two components seems close and I was
> wondering if there was a way to create a project including the two other
> (as sub-project) to then bill all the hours registered in the same invoice.
>
> On the other hand, it feels like the client asks for something not that
> standard with this and maybe I should find a way to "merge" the two
> invoices instead.
>
> What are you thoughts on this subject ?
>
> Thanks,
> Have a nice day,
>
> Florian Montalbano
>
>