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Insert new page into the wiki
Hello,
Raphael had proposed to coordinate the work on the German website in the wiki, and we've discussed on the users-de@openoffice.apache.org list.
But where, in the hierarchy of the wiki (see left on the page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home), I should to insert a page?
Possibly:
Project Planning-Native Language Projects-Website(de)?
or:
Project Planning-Site-Dev-Plan-Website(de)?
or where else?
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: Insert new page into the wiki
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabastus@gmail.com]
> <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> > Maybe I can make it clear that I have not against a
> discussion on the wiki, and I understand just how Apache
> works, but sometimes it is necessary and helpful when
> insiders give clear instructions.
> > For me, this is _not_ an expression of patronizing, but
> from concrete help, at least in the cases where you ask for it.
> >
>
> But in some cases (like this one) there is no one "right" answer. We
> have multiple wikis and they are both actively used. I'm sure as
> individuals we all might have our preferences. So you might want
> "clear instructions"
Yes, I have "clear instractions" said, but I did not mean this exact translation of "clear instractions", because it is very clear for me that it comes to opinions or preferences of individuals (at least in the cases where there are no fixed rules are)
> but all you will really get are personal
> opinions, and these will vary. There is nothing wrong with that.
That is absolutly clear for me, for example because I've worked 8 years in the OOo-community.
On the other hand, it is not a general rule, for example, in cases where the majority of Community does not agree, no one can insist on his personal decision - I think.
> As
> they say, when you have a choice, take it.
I can perceive a chance only if I know the various choices at all.
I think, moreover, that it is not a bad choice to listen to the personal Preferenz an experienced community member, rather than make himself a less good decision. (not always, but sometimes)
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: Insert new page into the wiki
Posted by Rob Weir <ra...@gmail.com>.
On Jun 1, 2013, at 5:40 AM, "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> Hello Jürgen, *,
>
>> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischmidt@gmail.com]
>> You should use mediawiki and there you can create a page under
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Deutsche_Übersetzung
>> (interesting is the
>> Ü) and create sub-page for your planning/coordination work.
>
> Thanks, that helps me.
>
>
> Maybe I can make it clear that I have not against a discussion on the wiki, and I understand just how Apache works, but sometimes it is necessary and helpful when insiders give clear instructions.
> For me, this is _not_ an expression of patronizing, but from concrete help, at least in the cases where you ask for it.
>
But in some cases (like this one) there is no one "right" answer. We
have multiple wikis and they are both actively used. I'm sure as
individuals we all might have our preferences. So you might want
"clear instructions" but all you will really get are personal
opinions, and these will vary. There is nothing wrong with that. As
they say, when you have a choice, take it.
-Rob
>> But in general we should think about some cleanup here to consolidate
>> the wiki structure.
>
> True, probably that is so. We should clarify and implement in the future.
>
> For now, I've had enough Your reference to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Deutsche_Übersetzung
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
>
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Re: Insert new page into the wiki
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hello Jürgen, *,
> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischmidt@gmail.com]
> You should use mediawiki and there you can create a page under
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Deutsche_Übersetzung
> (interesting is the
> Ü) and create sub-page for your planning/coordination work.
Thanks, that helps me.
Maybe I can make it clear that I have not against a discussion on the wiki, and I understand just how Apache works, but sometimes it is necessary and helpful when insiders give clear instructions.
For me, this is _not_ an expression of patronizing, but from concrete help, at least in the cases where you ask for it.
> But in general we should think about some cleanup here to consolidate
> the wiki structure.
True, probably that is so. We should clarify and implement in the future.
For now, I've had enough Your reference to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Deutsche_Übersetzung
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: Insert new page into the wiki
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 5/31/13 12:25 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Raphael Bircher
>
> Your discussion does not help me.
>
> I want to help to improve the de-websites I've offered on the users-de@openoffice.apache.org list for more than two weeks because I saw the need to de-websites right now urgently needs further editing to our users to be back from benefit.
>
> Likewise, I am immediately met Raphael's proposal to coordinate things in the wiki.
>
> But I would like to now finally be able to work productively.
>
> therefore:
>
> Should work on the de-sites coordinated in the wiki? Yes or No?
>
> If so, what specific wiki page should I use?
You should use mediawiki and there you can create a page under
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Deutsche_Übersetzung (interesting is the
Ü) and create sub-page for your planning/coordination work.
This pages don't have to be linked from the main Germany entry page if
you prefer to have this more private.
Interesting to see is here is that we use different schema for the
translation
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Deutsche_Übersetzung
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/FR
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/It.openoffice.org
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page/NL
...
Ok this is not related to your question, so please move forward with a
sub-page under the German section.
But in general we should think about some cleanup here to consolidate
the wiki structure.
Juergen
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
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Re: Insert new page into the wiki
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Raphael Bircher
Your discussion does not help me.
I want to help to improve the de-websites I've offered on the users-de@openoffice.apache.org list for more than two weeks because I saw the need to de-websites right now urgently needs further editing to our users to be back from benefit.
Likewise, I am immediately met Raphael's proposal to coordinate things in the wiki.
But I would like to now finally be able to work productively.
therefore:
Should work on the de-sites coordinated in the wiki? Yes or No?
If so, what specific wiki page should I use?
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: Insert new page into the wiki
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Raphael Bircher <r....@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Hi Jörg, *
>
> Am 30.05.13 22:54, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Raphael had proposed to coordinate the work on the German website in the
>> wiki, and we've discussed on the users-de@openoffice.apache.org list.
>>
>> But where, in the hierarchy of the wiki (see left on the page
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home), I should to
>> insert a page?
>>
>>
>> Possibly:
>> Project Planning-Native Language Projects-Website(de)?
>>
>> or:
>> Project Planning-Site-Dev-Plan-Website(de)?
>>
>> or where else?
>
> I'm not 100% sure here, where we should put the organization stuff for the
> de community. We have a old orga corner on the Mediawiki. But as I know we
> decided the following:
>
> Media Wiki: User content
> cwikiUSERS: for community coordination
> cwikiDEV: not realy used now
>
That is how we did it from the start of the podling, before the Mwiki
was migrated. We didn't have a choice, really. But of course, under
Sun/Oracle we used only MWiki. And now that Jan has stabilized MWiki
we could return to doing everything there if we wanted.
One factor might be this: there are probably links from 3rd party
German websites and mailing list archives pointing to the Mwiki, so it
might be good to start putting updated project content there, so new
visitors will see the current activity.
> So from this point of view, the right place would be the cwiki. BUT the
> cwiki has no language support. I personaly would prefer the cwiki over the
> MW for orga work. It's easyer to use, and so we stay consistent.
>
That would work as well, in which case we might want to add a link
from the de MWiki page to the CWiki pages.
-Rob
> Greetings Raphael
>
>
>
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Re: Insert new page into the wiki
Posted by Raphael Bircher <r....@gmx.ch>.
Hi Jörg, *
Am 30.05.13 22:54, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> Hello,
>
> Raphael had proposed to coordinate the work on the German website in the wiki, and we've discussed on the users-de@openoffice.apache.org list.
>
> But where, in the hierarchy of the wiki (see left on the page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home), I should to insert a page?
>
>
> Possibly:
> Project Planning-Native Language Projects-Website(de)?
>
> or:
> Project Planning-Site-Dev-Plan-Website(de)?
>
> or where else?
I'm not 100% sure here, where we should put the organization stuff for
the de community. We have a old orga corner on the Mediawiki. But as I
know we decided the following:
Media Wiki: User content
cwikiUSERS: for community coordination
cwikiDEV: not realy used now
So from this point of view, the right place would be the cwiki. BUT the
cwiki has no language support. I personaly would prefer the cwiki over
the MW for orga work. It's easyer to use, and so we stay consistent.
Greetings Raphael
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