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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au> on 2004/01/15 02:50:57 UTC
mail list config for forrest-dev (Was: [Proposal] add DTDs to
Apache website)
Joerg Heinicke wrote to cocoon-dev:
> I'm not CCing Forrest as I'm not subscribed there and they don't
> moderate my mails through.
I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
allow list. However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
I gather that forrest-dev is set to subscriber-only, but i expect
to get moderation messages. Inconsistent mail list configs at
Apache are so confusing.
I sent the initial Proposal to both because it concerned both.
Now i am following up to each list separately. I don't know
how to handle cross-posted discussions.
--David
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On Jan 16, 2004, at 5:30 AM, David Crossley wrote:
> I wonder if, with our email obfuscation efforts with the Forrest
> website, we might be getting less spam now. Should we try opening
> it up? We should be encouraging cross-project discussion and not
> let spam stifle that.
Yep - you should ask apmail.
> I still don't understand why we get so much spam. Doesn't the
> mail system at Apache do spam filtering? Or do the moderation
> messages bypass that.
Many messages do get caught by spamwatch (the server-side custom
filtering stuff on daedalus). Still, on an average week, with
SpamAssassin already catching a lot on my IMAP box, and Mail.app doing
its own filtering, I do receive 20-30 spam moderation messages a week.
I'm not on dial-up though, so bandwidth isn't an issue to me.
I guess bandwidth is your real issue, not?
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On Jan 16, 2004, at 5:30 AM, David Crossley wrote:
> I wonder if, with our email obfuscation efforts with the Forrest
> website, we might be getting less spam now. Should we try opening
> it up? We should be encouraging cross-project discussion and not
> let spam stifle that.
Yep - you should ask apmail.
> I still don't understand why we get so much spam. Doesn't the
> mail system at Apache do spam filtering? Or do the moderation
> messages bypass that.
Many messages do get caught by spamwatch (the server-side custom
filtering stuff on daedalus). Still, on an average week, with
SpamAssassin already catching a lot on my IMAP box, and Mail.app doing
its own filtering, I do receive 20-30 spam moderation messages a week.
I'm not on dial-up though, so bandwidth isn't an issue to me.
I guess bandwidth is your real issue, not?
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > Joerg Heinicke wrote to cocoon-dev:
> >> I'm not CCing Forrest as I'm not subscribed there and they don't
> >> moderate my mails through.
> >
> > I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
> > allow list. However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
> >
> > I gather that forrest-dev is set to subscriber-only, but i expect
> > to get moderation messages. Inconsistent mail list configs at
> > Apache are so confusing.
>
> Nope - we got what we wanted. Remember that we were tired once
> moderating spam, and asked apmail to reconfigure. That's what we get
> with a subscribers-only list.
Drat, i forgot that it was set that way.
I wonder if, with our email obfuscation efforts with the Forrest
website, we might be getting less spam now. Should we try opening
it up? We should be encouraging cross-project discussion and not
let spam stifle that.
I still don't understand why we get so much spam. Doesn't the
mail system at Apache do spam filtering? Or do the moderation
messages bypass that.
--David
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > Joerg Heinicke wrote to cocoon-dev:
> >> I'm not CCing Forrest as I'm not subscribed there and they don't
> >> moderate my mails through.
> >
> > I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
> > allow list. However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
> >
> > I gather that forrest-dev is set to subscriber-only, but i expect
> > to get moderation messages. Inconsistent mail list configs at
> > Apache are so confusing.
>
> Nope - we got what we wanted. Remember that we were tired once
> moderating spam, and asked apmail to reconfigure. That's what we get
> with a subscribers-only list.
Drat, i forgot that it was set that way.
I wonder if, with our email obfuscation efforts with the Forrest
website, we might be getting less spam now. Should we try opening
it up? We should be encouraging cross-project discussion and not
let spam stifle that.
I still don't understand why we get so much spam. Doesn't the
mail system at Apache do spam filtering? Or do the moderation
messages bypass that.
--David
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev (Was: [Proposal] add DTDs to
Apache website)
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
On 15.01.2004 12:38, Steven Noels wrote:
>> Is it possible to get on a white list though, at least after a
>> personal request to forrest-dev-owner@x.a.o?
>
>
> I've changed my moderation policies for the lists I moderate: when an
> non-subscriber sends a legitimate mail to a list, I moderate through
> _and_ add him to the whitelist.
Ok.
> There's still a chance then that he
> doesn't get the reply (because he wasn't subscribed, and his message
> (and replies) appears magically on the list, perhaps without him knowing
> so),
He?
> but manually informing people that they _need_ to subscribe in
> order to see the replies delivered in their mailbox became too much of a
> burden.
I didn't mean manually informing, it's enough if I get on the whitelist
after sending a manual request after an automatic bouncing - and this
way it seems to go at the moment, isn't it?
I don't know what you mean exactly with replies. If I want to get the
replies as mails I would subscribe of course. But the single threads I'm
interested in I read on gmane or theaimsgroup.
Joerg
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev (Was: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website)
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On Jan 15, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Joerg Heinicke wrote:
> Is it possible to get on a white list though, at least after a
> personal request to forrest-dev-owner@x.a.o?
I've changed my moderation policies for the lists I moderate: when an
non-subscriber sends a legitimate mail to a list, I moderate through
_and_ add him to the whitelist. There's still a chance then that he
doesn't get the reply (because he wasn't subscribed, and his message
(and replies) appears magically on the list, perhaps without him
knowing so), but manually informing people that they _need_ to
subscribe in order to see the replies delivered in their mailbox became
too much of a burden. Besides, some read lists through Gmane so they'll
find the replies anyhow.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev (Was: [Proposal] add DTDs to
Apache website)
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
On 15.01.2004 10:28, Steven Noels wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2004, at 2:50 AM, David Crossley wrote:
>
>> Joerg Heinicke wrote to cocoon-dev:
>>
>>> I'm not CCing Forrest as I'm not subscribed there and they don't
>>> moderate my mails through.
>>
>>
>> I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
>> allow list. However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
>>
>> I gather that forrest-dev is set to subscriber-only, but i expect
>> to get moderation messages. Inconsistent mail list configs at
>> Apache are so confusing.
>
>
> Nope - we got what we wanted. Remember that we were tired once
> moderating spam, and asked apmail to reconfigure. That's what we get
> with a subscribers-only list.
Is it possible to get on a white list though, at least after a personal
request to forrest-dev-owner@x.a.o?
Joerg
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev (Was: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website)
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On Jan 15, 2004, at 2:50 AM, David Crossley wrote:
> Joerg Heinicke wrote to cocoon-dev:
>> I'm not CCing Forrest as I'm not subscribed there and they don't
>> moderate my mails through.
>
> I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
> allow list. However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
>
> I gather that forrest-dev is set to subscriber-only, but i expect
> to get moderation messages. Inconsistent mail list configs at
> Apache are so confusing.
Nope - we got what we wanted. Remember that we were tired once
moderating spam, and asked apmail to reconfigure. That's what we get
with a subscribers-only list.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev (Was: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website)
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On Jan 15, 2004, at 2:50 AM, David Crossley wrote:
> Joerg Heinicke wrote to cocoon-dev:
>> I'm not CCing Forrest as I'm not subscribed there and they don't
>> moderate my mails through.
>
> I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
> allow list. However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
>
> I gather that forrest-dev is set to subscriber-only, but i expect
> to get moderation messages. Inconsistent mail list configs at
> Apache are so confusing.
Nope - we got what we wanted. Remember that we were tired once
moderating spam, and asked apmail to reconfigure. That's what we get
with a subscribers-only list.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Joerg Heinicke wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> >
> > I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
> > allow list.
>
> Ok, then let's try it :)
>
> > However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
>
> I didn't sent it this time as I said. But in older threads concerning
> both Cocoon and Forrest I tried to CC Forrest list too and got mails
> that my mail had been rejected and I should subscribe first.
Yep, your test did not get to the moderator, so it is rejecting.
And thanks for your private confirmation.
There is the trade-off between letting legitimate people post
and not flooding the moderators with spam.
Okay, we will talk about it on forrest-dev. Thanks for bringing
this up - it is important that projects can communicate.
--David
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Joerg Heinicke wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> >
> > I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
> > allow list.
>
> Ok, then let's try it :)
>
> > However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
>
> I didn't sent it this time as I said. But in older threads concerning
> both Cocoon and Forrest I tried to CC Forrest list too and got mails
> that my mail had been rejected and I should subscribe first.
Yep, your test did not get to the moderator, so it is rejecting.
And thanks for your private confirmation.
There is the trade-off between letting legitimate people post
and not flooding the moderators with spam.
Okay, we will talk about it on forrest-dev. Thanks for bringing
this up - it is important that projects can communicate.
--David
Re: mail list config for forrest-dev (Was: [Proposal] add DTDs to
Apache website)
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
On 15.01.2004 02:50, David Crossley wrote:
> Joerg Heinicke wrote to cocoon-dev:
>
>>I'm not CCing Forrest as I'm not subscribed there and they don't
>>moderate my mails through.
>
> I am a moderator and would let them through and add to the
> allow list.
Ok, then let's try it :)
> However, i don't see any. Are they rather bouncing?
I didn't sent it this time as I said. But in older threads concerning
both Cocoon and Forrest I tried to CC Forrest list too and got mails
that my mail had been rejected and I should subscribe first.
Joerg