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Posted to dev@community.apache.org by Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> on 2016/06/13 11:45:40 UTC
Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Hi Everyone
I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together our existing community of women so that they can get to know each other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private, plus there is one to one chat.
What do people think?
Thanks
Sharan
Re: Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by Don Cunningham <ot...@gmail.com>.
Unsubscribe now getting way to much juck on my phone and email.
On Jun 13, 2016 2:26 PM, "Mark Thomas" <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 13/06/2016 18:56, Mike Drob wrote:
> > I see that we're setting the List-Unsubscribe header already here, but in
> > GMail I don't see an unsubscribe decorator next to the "from" address.
> > Maybe there is another step to make it happen?
>
> It looks like there is and ASF infra isn't in a position to complete
> that step at this point in time. It should happen in the future.
>
> Mark
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Re: Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 13/06/2016 18:56, Mike Drob wrote:
> I see that we're setting the List-Unsubscribe header already here, but in
> GMail I don't see an unsubscribe decorator next to the "from" address.
> Maybe there is another step to make it happen?
It looks like there is and ASF infra isn't in a position to complete
that step at this point in time. It should happen in the future.
Mark
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Re: Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by Mike Drob <md...@apache.org>.
I see that we're setting the List-Unsubscribe header already here, but in
GMail I don't see an unsubscribe decorator next to the "from" address.
Maybe there is another step to make it happen?
I'm not an email guy, so I'm not sure how helpful I can be.
Mike
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:35 PM, jleroux@apache.org <jl...@apache.org>
wrote:
> +1 for everywhere!
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 13/06/2016 à 16:28, Pierre Smits a écrit :
>
>> Hi Mark.
>>
>> Easy fix for a returning nuisance.
>>
>> Kudos!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
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>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 13/06/2016 15:20, Richard Eckart de Castilho wrote:
>>>
>>>> That should help many people and avoid these annoying
>>>> "please unsubscribe" messages.
>>>>
>>>> How about turning these footers on for all mailing lists ASF-wide?
>>>> Or did you actually do that? ;)
>>>>
>>> I could do that. But I didn't.
>>>
>>> Generally, infra sets these (or not) based on the request of the
>>> community that owns the list.
>>>
>>> In this case I 'just did it' for this list on the basis that it looked
>>> like the right thing to do and if the community disagrees the potential
>>> harm is minimal and I can undo it just as quickly.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> -- Richard
>>>>
>>>> On 13.06.2016, at 16:11, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13/06/2016 15:03, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> button in
>>>
>>>> the email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There should be a standard footer with the unsubscribe address listed.
>>>>>> I'll look into that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If I got the settings right, there should now be a footer below my
>>>>> signature with instructions on how to unsubscribe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
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>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>>
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Re: Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by "jleroux@apache.org" <jl...@apache.org>.
+1 for everywhere!
Jacques
Le 13/06/2016 � 16:28, Pierre Smits a �crit :
> Hi Mark.
>
> Easy fix for a returning nuisance.
>
> Kudos!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 13/06/2016 15:20, Richard Eckart de Castilho wrote:
>>> That should help many people and avoid these annoying
>>> "please unsubscribe" messages.
>>>
>>> How about turning these footers on for all mailing lists ASF-wide?
>>> Or did you actually do that? ;)
>> I could do that. But I didn't.
>>
>> Generally, infra sets these (or not) based on the request of the
>> community that owns the list.
>>
>> In this case I 'just did it' for this list on the basis that it looked
>> like the right thing to do and if the community disagrees the potential
>> harm is minimal and I can undo it just as quickly.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -- Richard
>>>
>>>> On 13.06.2016, at 16:11, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 13/06/2016 15:03, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe
>> button in
>>>>>> the email.
>>>>> There should be a standard footer with the unsubscribe address listed.
>>>>> I'll look into that.
>>>> If I got the settings right, there should now be a footer below my
>>>> signature with instructions on how to unsubscribe.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
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RE: Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Tail-gating on this so I mention it somewhere at least.
One problem that I have noticed, and I don't know how systematic it is, is that when a post uses HTML formatting, the list robot may not provide the trailer in a form that actually has it be visible to a recipient.
This has led, in the past, to users being dissed by other users for not paying attention to footers that, in fact, they don't see. (It's one of those "works for me" disconnects.)
One action I can take is to request that list moderators on projects I support provide the level of civility exhibited by Mark Thomas and simply honor unsubscribe requests and confirm it to the list. I will do that too.
I am acting on the practice now. What the robot/archiver does is beyond me.
- Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre Smits [mailto:pierre.smits@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 07:28
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe trailers
>
> Hi Mark.
>
> Easy fix for a returning nuisance.
>
> Kudos!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 13/06/2016 15:20, Richard Eckart de Castilho wrote:
> > > That should help many people and avoid these annoying
> > > "please unsubscribe" messages.
> > >
> > > How about turning these footers on for all mailing lists ASF-wide?
> > > Or did you actually do that? ;)
> >
> > I could do that. But I didn't.
> >
> > Generally, infra sets these (or not) based on the request of the
> > community that owns the list.
> >
> > In this case I 'just did it' for this list on the basis that it looked
> > like the right thing to do and if the community disagrees the
> potential
> > harm is minimal and I can undo it just as quickly.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > -- Richard
> > >
> > >> On 13.06.2016, at 16:11, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 13/06/2016 15:03, Mark Thomas wrote:
> > >>>> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe
> > button in
> > >>>> the email.
> > >>>
> > >>> There should be a standard footer with the unsubscribe address
> listed.
> > >>> I'll look into that.
> > >>
> > >> If I got the settings right, there should now be a footer below my
> > >> signature with instructions on how to unsubscribe.
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >
> >
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Re: Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Mark.
Easy fix for a returning nuisance.
Kudos!
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 13/06/2016 15:20, Richard Eckart de Castilho wrote:
> > That should help many people and avoid these annoying
> > "please unsubscribe" messages.
> >
> > How about turning these footers on for all mailing lists ASF-wide?
> > Or did you actually do that? ;)
>
> I could do that. But I didn't.
>
> Generally, infra sets these (or not) based on the request of the
> community that owns the list.
>
> In this case I 'just did it' for this list on the basis that it looked
> like the right thing to do and if the community disagrees the potential
> harm is minimal and I can undo it just as quickly.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > -- Richard
> >
> >> On 13.06.2016, at 16:11, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 13/06/2016 15:03, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>>> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe
> button in
> >>>> the email.
> >>>
> >>> There should be a standard footer with the unsubscribe address listed.
> >>> I'll look into that.
> >>
> >> If I got the settings right, there should now be a footer below my
> >> signature with instructions on how to unsubscribe.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >
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Re: Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 13/06/2016 15:20, Richard Eckart de Castilho wrote:
> That should help many people and avoid these annoying
> "please unsubscribe" messages.
>
> How about turning these footers on for all mailing lists ASF-wide?
> Or did you actually do that? ;)
I could do that. But I didn't.
Generally, infra sets these (or not) based on the request of the
community that owns the list.
In this case I 'just did it' for this list on the basis that it looked
like the right thing to do and if the community disagrees the potential
harm is minimal and I can undo it just as quickly.
Mark
>
> Cheers,
>
> -- Richard
>
>> On 13.06.2016, at 16:11, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 13/06/2016 15:03, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe button in
>>>> the email.
>>>
>>> There should be a standard footer with the unsubscribe address listed.
>>> I'll look into that.
>>
>> If I got the settings right, there should now be a footer below my
>> signature with instructions on how to unsubscribe.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
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Re: Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by Richard Eckart de Castilho <re...@apache.org>.
That should help many people and avoid these annoying
"please unsubscribe" messages.
How about turning these footers on for all mailing lists ASF-wide?
Or did you actually do that? ;)
Cheers,
-- Richard
> On 13.06.2016, at 16:11, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 13/06/2016 15:03, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe button in
>>> the email.
>>
>> There should be a standard footer with the unsubscribe address listed.
>> I'll look into that.
>
> If I got the settings right, there should now be a footer below my
> signature with instructions on how to unsubscribe.
>
> Mark
>
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Unsubscribe trailers
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 13/06/2016 15:03, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe button in
>> the email.
>
> There should be a standard footer with the unsubscribe address listed.
> I'll look into that.
If I got the settings right, there should now be a footer below my
signature with instructions on how to unsubscribe.
Mark
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Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 13/06/2016 14:52, james pruett wrote:
> please remove me from these emails.
Done.
> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe button in
> the email.
There should be a standard footer with the unsubscribe address listed.
I'll look into that.
Mark
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
>> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>>
>> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together our
>> existing community of women so that they can get to know each other and
>> generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private, plus there is
>> one to one chat.
>>
>> What do people think?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>
Unsubscribe instructions - was: Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Greg Trasuk <tr...@stratuscom.com>.
Hi James:
I’m not an administrator on this list, so I can’t do it directly for you, but…
You should be able to unsubscribe yourself from this list by sending an email to dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.com
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Cheers,
Greg Trasuk
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:52 AM, james pruett <gp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> please remove me from these emails.
> I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe button in
> the email.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
>> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>>
>> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together our
>> existing community of women so that they can get to know each other and
>> generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private, plus there is
>> one to one chat.
>>
>> What do people think?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by james pruett <gp...@gmail.com>.
please remove me from these emails.
I have been receiving them for years and you have no unsubscribe button in
the email.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Everyone
>
> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>
> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together our
> existing community of women so that they can get to know each other and
> generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private, plus there is
> one to one chat.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>.
How about diversity@apache.org? I hope I would still be welcome! :)
On 14 Jun 2016 11:20 p.m., "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
wrote:
> We do, at least I do, and I'm certainly not alone :)
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 14/06/2016 à 15:21, Patricia Shanahan a écrit :
>
>> It could be a meeting place for those interested in ASF women's issues,
>> without excluding men who share that interest.
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 5:39 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Patricia
>>>
>>> Personally I think that the mailing list is a better forum for detailed
>>> discussions. It has the threaded structure and it's easier to follow
>>> discussion points and respond to particular things that people have said.
>>> (We could use this list for those type of discussions as it's relevant to
>>> developing the ASF community.)
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the chat room doesn't really give us that and
>>> that it's more about short fast dialogues, so I'm not sure how well it
>>> would work. (The main idea behind my original suggestion was to use it more
>>> like a meeting place, and not so much a discussion one.)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>> On 2016-06-14 13:26 (+0200), Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How do you feel about a room for discussing ASF women's issues?
>>>>
>>>> On 6/14/2016 1:25 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you both for your feedback on this and it's showing that it's
>>>>> not the way people want to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>> On 2016-06-13 17:50 (+0200), Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/13/2016 06:17 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/13/2016 4:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!)
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together
>>>>>>>> our existing community of women so that they can get to know each
>>>>>>>> other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or
>>>>>>>> private,
>>>>>>>> plus there is one to one chat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do people think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I object to a chat room for Apache women just as strongly as I would
>>>>>>> object to one for Apache men, and will not join it. I would be happy
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> join a chat room for discussing Apache women's issues, provided both
>>>>>>> men
>>>>>>> and women who are interested in the subject are made welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My particular brand of feminism supports treating men and women
>>>>>>> equally,
>>>>>>> and minimizing facilities and clubs that are only for men or only for
>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patricia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm share Patricia's views on this. I don't think a separate chat room
>>>>>> solely for woman is in keeping with the "Apache Way".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>> MzK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Time spent with cats is never wasted."
>>>>>> -- Sigmund Freud
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
We do, at least I do, and I'm certainly not alone :)
Jacques
Le 14/06/2016 15:21, Patricia Shanahan a crit :
> It could be a meeting place for those interested in ASF women's issues, without excluding men who share that interest.
>
> On 6/14/2016 5:39 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>> Hi Patricia
>>
>> Personally I think that the mailing list is a better forum for detailed discussions. It has the threaded structure and it's easier to follow
>> discussion points and respond to particular things that people have said. (We could use this list for those type of discussions as it's relevant to
>> developing the ASF community.)
>>
>> My understanding is that the chat room doesn't really give us that and that it's more about short fast dialogues, so I'm not sure how well it would
>> work. (The main idea behind my original suggestion was to use it more like a meeting place, and not so much a discussion one.)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>> On 2016-06-14 13:26 (+0200), Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org> wrote:
>>> How do you feel about a room for discussing ASF women's issues?
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2016 1:25 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Thank you both for your feedback on this and it's showing that it's not the way people want to go.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sharan
>>>> On 2016-06-13 17:50 (+0200), Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/13/2016 06:17 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/13/2016 4:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
>>>>>>> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together
>>>>>>> our existing community of women so that they can get to know each
>>>>>>> other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private,
>>>>>>> plus there is one to one chat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do people think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I object to a chat room for Apache women just as strongly as I would
>>>>>> object to one for Apache men, and will not join it. I would be happy to
>>>>>> join a chat room for discussing Apache women's issues, provided both men
>>>>>> and women who are interested in the subject are made welcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My particular brand of feminism supports treating men and women equally,
>>>>>> and minimizing facilities and clubs that are only for men or only for
>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patricia
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm share Patricia's views on this. I don't think a separate chat room
>>>>> solely for woman is in keeping with the "Apache Way".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>> MzK
>>>>>
>>>>> "Time spent with cats is never wasted."
>>>>> -- Sigmund Freud
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
It could be a meeting place for those interested in ASF women's issues,
without excluding men who share that interest.
On 6/14/2016 5:39 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
> Hi Patricia
>
> Personally I think that the mailing list is a better forum for detailed discussions. It has the threaded structure and it's easier to follow discussion points and respond to particular things that people have said. (We could use this list for those type of discussions as it's relevant to developing the ASF community.)
>
> My understanding is that the chat room doesn't really give us that and that it's more about short fast dialogues, so I'm not sure how well it would work. (The main idea behind my original suggestion was to use it more like a meeting place, and not so much a discussion one.)
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 2016-06-14 13:26 (+0200), Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org> wrote:
>> How do you feel about a room for discussing ASF women's issues?
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 1:25 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Thank you both for your feedback on this and it's showing that it's not the way people want to go.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>> On 2016-06-13 17:50 (+0200), Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/13/2016 06:17 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>>>> On 6/13/2016 4:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
>>>>>> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together
>>>>>> our existing community of women so that they can get to know each
>>>>>> other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private,
>>>>>> plus there is one to one chat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do people think?
>>>>>
>>>>> I object to a chat room for Apache women just as strongly as I would
>>>>> object to one for Apache men, and will not join it. I would be happy to
>>>>> join a chat room for discussing Apache women's issues, provided both men
>>>>> and women who are interested in the subject are made welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> My particular brand of feminism supports treating men and women equally,
>>>>> and minimizing facilities and clubs that are only for men or only for
>>>>> women.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patricia
>>>>
>>>> I'm share Patricia's views on this. I don't think a separate chat room
>>>> solely for woman is in keeping with the "Apache Way".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Time spent with cats is never wasted."
>>>> -- Sigmund Freud
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Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Sharan Foga <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi Patricia
Personally I think that the mailing list is a better forum for detailed discussions. It has the threaded structure and it's easier to follow discussion points and respond to particular things that people have said. (We could use this list for those type of discussions as it's relevant to developing the ASF community.)
My understanding is that the chat room doesn't really give us that and that it's more about short fast dialogues, so I'm not sure how well it would work. (The main idea behind my original suggestion was to use it more like a meeting place, and not so much a discussion one.)
Thanks
Sharan
On 2016-06-14 13:26 (+0200), Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org> wrote:
> How do you feel about a room for discussing ASF women's issues?
>
> On 6/14/2016 1:25 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Thank you both for your feedback on this and it's showing that it's not the way people want to go.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> > On 2016-06-13 17:50 (+0200), Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 06/13/2016 06:17 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> >>> On 6/13/2016 4:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
> >>>> Hi Everyone
> >>>>
> >>>> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
> >>>> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together
> >>>> our existing community of women so that they can get to know each
> >>>> other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private,
> >>>> plus there is one to one chat.
> >>>>
> >>>> What do people think?
> >>>
> >>> I object to a chat room for Apache women just as strongly as I would
> >>> object to one for Apache men, and will not join it. I would be happy to
> >>> join a chat room for discussing Apache women's issues, provided both men
> >>> and women who are interested in the subject are made welcome.
> >>>
> >>> My particular brand of feminism supports treating men and women equally,
> >>> and minimizing facilities and clubs that are only for men or only for
> >>> women.
> >>>
> >>> Patricia
> >>
> >> I'm share Patricia's views on this. I don't think a separate chat room
> >> solely for woman is in keeping with the "Apache Way".
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> MzK
> >>
> >> "Time spent with cats is never wasted."
> >> -- Sigmund Freud
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Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
How do you feel about a room for discussing ASF women's issues?
On 6/14/2016 1:25 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thank you both for your feedback on this and it's showing that it's not the way people want to go.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
> On 2016-06-13 17:50 (+0200), Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/13/2016 06:17 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2016 4:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>
>>>> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
>>>> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together
>>>> our existing community of women so that they can get to know each
>>>> other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private,
>>>> plus there is one to one chat.
>>>>
>>>> What do people think?
>>>
>>> I object to a chat room for Apache women just as strongly as I would
>>> object to one for Apache men, and will not join it. I would be happy to
>>> join a chat room for discussing Apache women's issues, provided both men
>>> and women who are interested in the subject are made welcome.
>>>
>>> My particular brand of feminism supports treating men and women equally,
>>> and minimizing facilities and clubs that are only for men or only for
>>> women.
>>>
>>> Patricia
>>
>> I'm share Patricia's views on this. I don't think a separate chat room
>> solely for woman is in keeping with the "Apache Way".
>>
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Time spent with cats is never wasted."
>> -- Sigmund Freud
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Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Sharan Foga <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi
Thank you both for your feedback on this and it's showing that it's not the way people want to go.
Thanks
Sharan
On 2016-06-13 17:50 (+0200), Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 06/13/2016 06:17 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> > On 6/13/2016 4:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
> >> Hi Everyone
> >>
> >> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
> >> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
> >>
> >> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together
> >> our existing community of women so that they can get to know each
> >> other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private,
> >> plus there is one to one chat.
> >>
> >> What do people think?
> >
> > I object to a chat room for Apache women just as strongly as I would
> > object to one for Apache men, and will not join it. I would be happy to
> > join a chat room for discussing Apache women's issues, provided both men
> > and women who are interested in the subject are made welcome.
> >
> > My particular brand of feminism supports treating men and women equally,
> > and minimizing facilities and clubs that are only for men or only for
> > women.
> >
> > Patricia
>
> I'm share Patricia's views on this. I don't think a separate chat room
> solely for woman is in keeping with the "Apache Way".
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
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> -- Sigmund Freud
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Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 06/13/2016 06:17 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 6/13/2016 4:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
>> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>>
>> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together
>> our existing community of women so that they can get to know each
>> other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private,
>> plus there is one to one chat.
>>
>> What do people think?
>
> I object to a chat room for Apache women just as strongly as I would
> object to one for Apache men, and will not join it. I would be happy to
> join a chat room for discussing Apache women's issues, provided both men
> and women who are interested in the subject are made welcome.
>
> My particular brand of feminism supports treating men and women equally,
> and minimizing facilities and clubs that are only for men or only for
> women.
>
> Patricia
I'm share Patricia's views on this. I don't think a separate chat room
solely for woman is in keeping with the "Apache Way".
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Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
On 6/13/2016 4:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
> Hi Everyone
>
> I discovered Hipchat last week (well I knew Infra were using it!) but
> found it to be quite a nice informal online environment.
>
> I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together
> our existing community of women so that they can get to know each
> other and generally just hangout. The rooms can be public or private,
> plus there is one to one chat.
>
> What do people think?
I object to a chat room for Apache women just as strongly as I would
object to one for Apache men, and will not join it. I would be happy to
join a chat room for discussing Apache women's issues, provided both
men and women who are interested in the subject are made welcome.
My particular brand of feminism supports treating men and women equally,
and minimizing facilities and clubs that are only for men or only for women.
Patricia
Re: Hipchat Room for Apache Women?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...I was wondering whether this could be a good way to bring together our existing community of women so
> that they can get to know each other and generally just hangout....
FWIW I recently read about http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/
(after someone mentioned it on one of our lists) and that looks like a
great group.
Diversity issues are industry wide IMO, so it might be more efficient
for people interested in those topics to join such groups, and then
come back with ideas about how to improve things.
Discussing concrete suggestions here with a [diversity] subject line
tag is perfectly fine IMO, but the issues are larger than just the
ASF.
-Bertrand
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