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JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
Anyone have a problem with that?
-Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org>.
Just to be clear - this is for the NEXT big release, not for 2.1. Do
you have an idea when 1.5 would be on OpenVMS?
-Mike
On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 19:34 +0100, sebb wrote:
> -1
>
> 1.5 is not available on all platforms yet (e.g. OpenVMS)
>
> However I'd be happy with moving to a minimum release of 1.4.
>
> S.
> On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > + on jdk1.5 post 2.1 release. I've been using 1.5 with jmeter and it
> > does feel snappier using non-scientific human measurement.
> >
> >
> > peter
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
-1
1.5 is not available on all platforms yet (e.g. OpenVMS)
However I'd be happy with moving to a minimum release of 1.4.
S.
On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> + on jdk1.5 post 2.1 release. I've been using 1.5 with jmeter and it
> does feel snappier using non-scientific human measurement.
>
>
> peter
>
>
> On 8/15/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > Anyone have a problem with that?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
+ on jdk1.5 post 2.1 release. I've been using 1.5 with jmeter and it
does feel snappier using non-scientific human measurement.
peter
On 8/15/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> Anyone have a problem with that?
>
> -Mike
>
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
while we're at it, I like to propose we use the new icons for releases
after 2.1 :)
just joking
peter
On 8/15/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> Anyone have a problem with that?
>
> -Mike
>
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
duh, I meant include the jre with jmeter.
please excuse the typo.
peter
On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
> OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
>
> If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
> if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
>
> S.
> On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> > tomcat. What do others think about that?
> >
> > I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
> >
> > peter
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> > >
> > > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > > (in non-GUI mode).
> > >
> > > S.
> > > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > > JVM installed.
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > > next release.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martijn
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > >
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Startup scripts (was: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
Fine by me, though I've not had problems with the BAT files.
I suspect the shell scripts are more likely to hit problems.
We should allow users to pass in additional options using a suitable
env. variable, but otherwise it could all be stripped out.
Users can then write their own wrapper script to set the variables and
invoke the supplied scripts if they want.
Probably useful to keep the information on the variables in a separate
text file.
S.
On 16/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> BTW, given all this wrangling over compatibility with jvm versions,
> could we nix all the jvm options currently in the jmeter/jmeter.bat
> startup scripts? I always have to edit that file just to run, and it
> seems silly to be trying to tweak the options to such a degree for
> everyone. I would think a default memory setting and the "-server"
> options would be sufficient.
>
> -Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org>.
BTW, given all this wrangling over compatibility with jvm versions,
could we nix all the jvm options currently in the jmeter/jmeter.bat
startup scripts? I always have to edit that file just to run, and it
seems silly to be trying to tweak the options to such a degree for
everyone. I would think a default memory setting and the "-server"
options would be sufficient.
-Mike
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 18:26 +0100, sebb wrote:
> I'm happier with that.
> It may turn out that Java 1.5 is only needed for building.
> E.g. Tomcat 5.5.x is intended for running on Java 1.5/5.0, but will
> run on earlier versions by downloading an extra package.
>
> ==
>
> I think it would be useful to find out users' views on JRE versions,
> so I'll post a message to the mailing lists asking what OSes/JVMs
> people currently use - and could use.
>
> S.
> On 16/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > that's what I was thinking.
> >
> > I'm good that idea. It would allow jmeter to move forward and do
> > interesting fun stuff.
> >
> > peter
> >
> >
> > On 8/16/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > So, just to clarify, the suggestion here is make HEAD use jdk1.5 with an
> > > eventual JMeter 3.0 release. Leave the 2.1 branch to be jdk1.4
> > > compatible and make continuing 2.x releases from there.
> > >
> > > I'm willing to do, say, weekly merges from 2.1 to HEAD to support this.
> > > Most of my new work would go in HEAD. I would expect Sebb would mostly
> > > work in 2.1, and Peter would probably split his time. Eventually, we'd
> > > have two concurrent JMeter versions - 3.x and 2.x.
> > >
> > > How do people feel about that?
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 09:16 -0400, Peter Lin wrote:
> > > > +
> > > >
> > > > it would be good to know. Plus, I'm willing to maintain the 2.x line
> > > > and potential jdk5 version which maybe version 3 or 4.
> > > >
> > > > other projects have multiple versions like axis, tomcat, jstl, etc.
> > > >
> > > > peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/16/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > HP have just released a beta version of JDK 1.5 for OpenVMS. It is
> > > > > likely to be some months before a full version is released. There is
> > > > > as yet not even a beta for Tru 64 Unix nor for OpenVMS I64 (Itanium).
> > > > >
> > > > > However, it may not just be those OSes that have yet to get a 1.5 JVM.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we need to find out how many people would be affected by this proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > S.
> > > > > On 16/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
> > > > > > > Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
> > > > > > > OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right - that's a completely different issue than having to install them
> > > > > > on "servers" remotely or corporations that won't allow developers to
> > > > > > install 1.5 on their machines (wtf?). I really don't intend to hold
> > > > > > back for the sake of irrational fears about just installing 1.5 on a
> > > > > > random machine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So anyway, back to my question - any idea when vms will get jdk1.5 for
> > > > > > it? The next big release of JMeter won't be for a long time, if history
> > > > > > is any indication of the future.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
> > > > > > > if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > S.
> > > > > > > On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> > > > > > > > tomcat. What do others think about that?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > peter
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > > > > > > > > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > > > > > > > > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > > > > > > > > (in non-GUI mode).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > S.
> > > > > > > > > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > > > > > > > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > > > > > > > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > > > > > > > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > > > > > > > > JVM installed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > > > > > > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > > > > > > > > next release.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Martijn
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
I'm happier with that.
It may turn out that Java 1.5 is only needed for building.
E.g. Tomcat 5.5.x is intended for running on Java 1.5/5.0, but will
run on earlier versions by downloading an extra package.
==
I think it would be useful to find out users' views on JRE versions,
so I'll post a message to the mailing lists asking what OSes/JVMs
people currently use - and could use.
S.
On 16/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> that's what I was thinking.
>
> I'm good that idea. It would allow jmeter to move forward and do
> interesting fun stuff.
>
> peter
>
>
> On 8/16/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > So, just to clarify, the suggestion here is make HEAD use jdk1.5 with an
> > eventual JMeter 3.0 release. Leave the 2.1 branch to be jdk1.4
> > compatible and make continuing 2.x releases from there.
> >
> > I'm willing to do, say, weekly merges from 2.1 to HEAD to support this.
> > Most of my new work would go in HEAD. I would expect Sebb would mostly
> > work in 2.1, and Peter would probably split his time. Eventually, we'd
> > have two concurrent JMeter versions - 3.x and 2.x.
> >
> > How do people feel about that?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 09:16 -0400, Peter Lin wrote:
> > > +
> > >
> > > it would be good to know. Plus, I'm willing to maintain the 2.x line
> > > and potential jdk5 version which maybe version 3 or 4.
> > >
> > > other projects have multiple versions like axis, tomcat, jstl, etc.
> > >
> > > peter
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/16/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > HP have just released a beta version of JDK 1.5 for OpenVMS. It is
> > > > likely to be some months before a full version is released. There is
> > > > as yet not even a beta for Tru 64 Unix nor for OpenVMS I64 (Itanium).
> > > >
> > > > However, it may not just be those OSes that have yet to get a 1.5 JVM.
> > > >
> > > > I think we need to find out how many people would be affected by this proposal.
> > > >
> > > > S.
> > > > On 16/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
> > > > > > Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
> > > > > > OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right - that's a completely different issue than having to install them
> > > > > on "servers" remotely or corporations that won't allow developers to
> > > > > install 1.5 on their machines (wtf?). I really don't intend to hold
> > > > > back for the sake of irrational fears about just installing 1.5 on a
> > > > > random machine.
> > > > >
> > > > > So anyway, back to my question - any idea when vms will get jdk1.5 for
> > > > > it? The next big release of JMeter won't be for a long time, if history
> > > > > is any indication of the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
> > > > > > if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > S.
> > > > > > On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> > > > > > > tomcat. What do others think about that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > peter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > > > > > > > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > > > > > > > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > > > > > > > (in non-GUI mode).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > S.
> > > > > > > > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > > > > > > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > > > > > > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > > > > > > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > > > > > > > JVM installed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > > > > > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > > > > > > > next release.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Martijn
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
that's what I was thinking.
I'm good that idea. It would allow jmeter to move forward and do
interesting fun stuff.
peter
On 8/16/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> So, just to clarify, the suggestion here is make HEAD use jdk1.5 with an
> eventual JMeter 3.0 release. Leave the 2.1 branch to be jdk1.4
> compatible and make continuing 2.x releases from there.
>
> I'm willing to do, say, weekly merges from 2.1 to HEAD to support this.
> Most of my new work would go in HEAD. I would expect Sebb would mostly
> work in 2.1, and Peter would probably split his time. Eventually, we'd
> have two concurrent JMeter versions - 3.x and 2.x.
>
> How do people feel about that?
>
> -Mike
>
> On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 09:16 -0400, Peter Lin wrote:
> > +
> >
> > it would be good to know. Plus, I'm willing to maintain the 2.x line
> > and potential jdk5 version which maybe version 3 or 4.
> >
> > other projects have multiple versions like axis, tomcat, jstl, etc.
> >
> > peter
> >
> >
> > On 8/16/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > HP have just released a beta version of JDK 1.5 for OpenVMS. It is
> > > likely to be some months before a full version is released. There is
> > > as yet not even a beta for Tru 64 Unix nor for OpenVMS I64 (Itanium).
> > >
> > > However, it may not just be those OSes that have yet to get a 1.5 JVM.
> > >
> > > I think we need to find out how many people would be affected by this proposal.
> > >
> > > S.
> > > On 16/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
> > > > > Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
> > > > > OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
> > > >
> > > > Right - that's a completely different issue than having to install them
> > > > on "servers" remotely or corporations that won't allow developers to
> > > > install 1.5 on their machines (wtf?). I really don't intend to hold
> > > > back for the sake of irrational fears about just installing 1.5 on a
> > > > random machine.
> > > >
> > > > So anyway, back to my question - any idea when vms will get jdk1.5 for
> > > > it? The next big release of JMeter won't be for a long time, if history
> > > > is any indication of the future.
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
> > > > > if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
> > > > >
> > > > > S.
> > > > > On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> > > > > > tomcat. What do others think about that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > > > > > > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > > > > > > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > > > > > > (in non-GUI mode).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > S.
> > > > > > > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > > > > > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > > > > > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > > > > > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > > > > > > JVM installed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > > > > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > > > > > > next release.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Martijn
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > > > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org>.
So, just to clarify, the suggestion here is make HEAD use jdk1.5 with an
eventual JMeter 3.0 release. Leave the 2.1 branch to be jdk1.4
compatible and make continuing 2.x releases from there.
I'm willing to do, say, weekly merges from 2.1 to HEAD to support this.
Most of my new work would go in HEAD. I would expect Sebb would mostly
work in 2.1, and Peter would probably split his time. Eventually, we'd
have two concurrent JMeter versions - 3.x and 2.x.
How do people feel about that?
-Mike
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 09:16 -0400, Peter Lin wrote:
> +
>
> it would be good to know. Plus, I'm willing to maintain the 2.x line
> and potential jdk5 version which maybe version 3 or 4.
>
> other projects have multiple versions like axis, tomcat, jstl, etc.
>
> peter
>
>
> On 8/16/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > HP have just released a beta version of JDK 1.5 for OpenVMS. It is
> > likely to be some months before a full version is released. There is
> > as yet not even a beta for Tru 64 Unix nor for OpenVMS I64 (Itanium).
> >
> > However, it may not just be those OSes that have yet to get a 1.5 JVM.
> >
> > I think we need to find out how many people would be affected by this proposal.
> >
> > S.
> > On 16/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
> > > > Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
> > > > OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
> > >
> > > Right - that's a completely different issue than having to install them
> > > on "servers" remotely or corporations that won't allow developers to
> > > install 1.5 on their machines (wtf?). I really don't intend to hold
> > > back for the sake of irrational fears about just installing 1.5 on a
> > > random machine.
> > >
> > > So anyway, back to my question - any idea when vms will get jdk1.5 for
> > > it? The next big release of JMeter won't be for a long time, if history
> > > is any indication of the future.
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
> > > > if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
> > > >
> > > > S.
> > > > On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> > > > > tomcat. What do others think about that?
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
> > > > >
> > > > > peter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > > > > > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > > > > > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > > > > > (in non-GUI mode).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > S.
> > > > > > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > > > > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > > > > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > > > > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > > > > > JVM installed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > > > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > > > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > > > > > next release.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Martijn
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > > >
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
+
it would be good to know. Plus, I'm willing to maintain the 2.x line
and potential jdk5 version which maybe version 3 or 4.
other projects have multiple versions like axis, tomcat, jstl, etc.
peter
On 8/16/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> HP have just released a beta version of JDK 1.5 for OpenVMS. It is
> likely to be some months before a full version is released. There is
> as yet not even a beta for Tru 64 Unix nor for OpenVMS I64 (Itanium).
>
> However, it may not just be those OSes that have yet to get a 1.5 JVM.
>
> I think we need to find out how many people would be affected by this proposal.
>
> S.
> On 16/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
> > > Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
> > > OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
> >
> > Right - that's a completely different issue than having to install them
> > on "servers" remotely or corporations that won't allow developers to
> > install 1.5 on their machines (wtf?). I really don't intend to hold
> > back for the sake of irrational fears about just installing 1.5 on a
> > random machine.
> >
> > So anyway, back to my question - any idea when vms will get jdk1.5 for
> > it? The next big release of JMeter won't be for a long time, if history
> > is any indication of the future.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > >
> > > If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
> > > if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
> > >
> > > S.
> > > On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> > > > tomcat. What do others think about that?
> > > >
> > > > I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
> > > >
> > > > peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > > > > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > > > > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> > > > >
> > > > > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > > > > (in non-GUI mode).
> > > > >
> > > > > S.
> > > > > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > > > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > > > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > > > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > > > > JVM installed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > > > > next release.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Martijn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > >
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
HP have just released a beta version of JDK 1.5 for OpenVMS. It is
likely to be some months before a full version is released. There is
as yet not even a beta for Tru 64 Unix nor for OpenVMS I64 (Itanium).
However, it may not just be those OSes that have yet to get a 1.5 JVM.
I think we need to find out how many people would be affected by this proposal.
S.
On 16/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
> > Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
> > OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
>
> Right - that's a completely different issue than having to install them
> on "servers" remotely or corporations that won't allow developers to
> install 1.5 on their machines (wtf?). I really don't intend to hold
> back for the sake of irrational fears about just installing 1.5 on a
> random machine.
>
> So anyway, back to my question - any idea when vms will get jdk1.5 for
> it? The next big release of JMeter won't be for a long time, if history
> is any indication of the future.
>
> -Mike
>
> >
> > If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
> > if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
> >
> > S.
> > On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> > > tomcat. What do others think about that?
> > >
> > > I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
> > >
> > > peter
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > > > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > > > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> > > >
> > > > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > > > (in non-GUI mode).
> > > >
> > > > S.
> > > > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > > > JVM installed.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > > > next release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Martijn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
> Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
> OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
Right - that's a completely different issue than having to install them
on "servers" remotely or corporations that won't allow developers to
install 1.5 on their machines (wtf?). I really don't intend to hold
back for the sake of irrational fears about just installing 1.5 on a
random machine.
So anyway, back to my question - any idea when vms will get jdk1.5 for
it? The next big release of JMeter won't be for a long time, if history
is any indication of the future.
-Mike
>
> If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
> if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
>
> S.
> On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> > tomcat. What do others think about that?
> >
> > I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
> >
> > peter
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> > >
> > > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > > (in non-GUI mode).
> > >
> > > S.
> > > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > > JVM installed.
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > > next release.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martijn
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
Not sure what Tomcat has to do with it. And the problem is that some
OSes don't yet have a 1.5 JVM.
If 1.5 is required to build JMeter, that's OK, but it's not OK for us
if JMeter requires 1.5 in order to run.
S.
On 15/08/05, Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
> tomcat. What do others think about that?
>
> I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
>
> peter
>
>
> On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> > the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> > great to use them to drive our server testing.
> >
> > So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> > (in non-GUI mode).
> >
> > S.
> > On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > > JVM installed.
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > > next release.
> > > >
> > > > Martijn
> > > >
> > > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
one potential way around that would be to include just the JRE with
tomcat. What do others think about that?
I understand the desire to stick to 1.4.2 for backward compatability.
peter
On 8/15/05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
> the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
> great to use them to drive our server testing.
>
> So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
> (in non-GUI mode).
>
> S.
> On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> > JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> > install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> > being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> > about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> > JVM installed.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > > next release.
> > >
> > > Martijn
> > >
> > > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
Our desktops are located far away (physically and network-wise) from
the servers we want to test, so the network overhead would be too
great to use them to drive our server testing.
So although JMeter is not a server app, we actually use it on a server
(in non-GUI mode).
S.
On 15/08/05, Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org> wrote:
> JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
> install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
> being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
> about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
> JVM installed.
>
> -Mike
>
> On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> > I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> > 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> > next release.
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> > Michael Stover wrote:
> > > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > > Anyone have a problem with that?
> > >
> > > -Mike
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Martijn Blankestijn <m....@hccnet.nl>.
Michael Stover wrote:
>JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
>install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
>being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
>about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
>JVM installed.
>
>-Mike
>
>On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
>
>
>>I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
>>5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
>>next release.
>>
>>Martijn
>>
>>Michael Stover wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
>>>Anyone have a problem with that?
>>>
>>>-Mike
>>>
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Yes, that is true. But many corporations that I have worked with will
not have Java 5 on their client- or servermachines for some time. Some
have just switched to 1.4 a year ago. ;-)
To support these users a minimum of JDK 1.4 seems reasonable.
Greetings,
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Re: JDK1.5 for JMeter HEAD?
Posted by Michael Stover <ms...@apache.org>.
JMeter is not a server app, however. It's a client app and users can
install jdk1.5 on their client machines without affecting the servers
being tested. After all, JMeter is not about testing JAVA apps, it's
about testing servers that may not even be running Java code or have any
JVM installed.
-Mike
On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 22:07 +0200, Martijn Blankestijn wrote:
> I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
> 5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
> next release.
>
> Martijn
>
> Michael Stover wrote:
> > Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> > Anyone have a problem with that?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
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Posted by Martijn Blankestijn <m....@hccnet.nl>.
I think it will take a long time before all userss will upgrade to Java
5, therefore I think that the minimum should be at least 1.4 for the
next release.
Martijn
Michael Stover wrote:
> Can we assume use of jdk1.5+ for JMeter's future release after 2.1?
> Anyone have a problem with that?
>
> -Mike
>
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