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Posted to legal-discuss@apache.org by Felix Knecht <fe...@apache.org> on 2008/01/06 21:06:34 UTC
FCKeditor
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Dear all
After reading a draft of third party license policy (http://people.apache.org/~cliffs/3party.html) and reading the FAQs
(http://apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#GPL) I'm still need some help if it's a no go or not.
I'd like to integrate FCKeditor in the Apache Cocoon project. FCKeditor is distributed with different licenses like GPL,
LGPL, MPL, CDL (http://www.fckeditor.net/license).
OOH the draft says that GPL is a nogo, OTH the FAQ says that GPLv3.0 is compatible to Apache License 2.0.
FCKeditor licence.txt says:
<zitate>
FCKeditor - The text editor for Internet - http://www.fckeditor.net
Copyright (C) 2003-2007 Frederico Caldeira Knabben
Licensed under the terms of any of the following licenses at your
choice:
- GNU General Public License Version 2 or later (the "GPL")
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
(See Appendix A)
...
</zitate>
Following the FAQ I can integrate FCKeditor without any problems in Apache Cocoon just adding the source of FCKeditor
into the cocoon code (FCKeditor uses GPLv2 or later --> later ==GPLv3 which is compatible to the Apache License).
After all my question:
Is it really that simple and I can integrate FCKeditors source code without any problems into Apache Cocoon?
Thanks for your help
Felix
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Re: FCKeditor
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Jan 7, 2008 3:49 PM, Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2008 7:04 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> > I agree with Jeremias's comments.
> >
> > Note http://people.apache.org/~rubys/3party.html relabels this section
> > "reciprocal licenses", and opens the door slightly for scripting
> > languages. After a brief glance at FCKeditor, I'm assuming that it is
> > Javascript.
>
> I don't see FCKeditor being classed as "For small amounts of source";
> so even by your newer 3party.html it is not useable as FCKeditor does
> not have a difference between its binary and source versions.
Roy said it a while back a lot more eloquently than I ever could, but
when we are dealing with artifacts are customarily provided and
consumed in source form, then us blindly applying a rule that we avoid
licenses that requires that such artifacts be provided in source form
is nonsensical and counter-productive.
However, I recognize that this opinion has not yet reached consensus.
> > I see it as Cocoon's responsibility to outline a policy by which it
> > ensures that the MPL licensed artifacts are not modified in the ASF
> > SVN, and that people who download Cocoon are made aware that this code
> > is under a different license.
>
> If we're going to go this way - I'd rather see us centralize such
> things - ie) a read only section for 3rd party works that Infra or
> Legal manage. Cocoon can svn:external to it.
That might be a reasonable proposal. I may have said it poorly, but
what I intended to convey is that I would like for us to derive a
policy based on concrete use cases rather than theory on how things
should work.
> As it is, I don't see how Cocoon can be using this.
re: "As it is"... true. That's why I would like to see a policy
outlined. Preferably by the people who know the use case and are most
affected. Once a proposal is in place, we can explore changing "as it
is".
> Hen
- Sam Ruby
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Re: FCKeditor
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>.
On Jan 7, 2008 7:04 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> I agree with Jeremias's comments.
>
> Note http://people.apache.org/~rubys/3party.html relabels this section
> "reciprocal licenses", and opens the door slightly for scripting
> languages. After a brief glance at FCKeditor, I'm assuming that it is
> Javascript.
I don't see FCKeditor being classed as "For small amounts of source";
so even by your newer 3party.html it is not useable as FCKeditor does
not have a difference between its binary and source versions.
> I see it as Cocoon's responsibility to outline a policy by which it
> ensures that the MPL licensed artifacts are not modified in the ASF
> SVN, and that people who download Cocoon are made aware that this code
> is under a different license.
If we're going to go this way - I'd rather see us centralize such
things - ie) a read only section for 3rd party works that Infra or
Legal manage. Cocoon can svn:external to it.
As it is, I don't see how Cocoon can be using this.
Hen
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Re: FCKeditor
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
I agree with Jeremias's comments.
Note http://people.apache.org/~rubys/3party.html relabels this section
"reciprocal licenses", and opens the door slightly for scripting
languages. After a brief glance at FCKeditor, I'm assuming that it is
Javascript.
I see it as Cocoon's responsibility to outline a policy by which it
ensures that the MPL licensed artifacts are not modified in the ASF
SVN, and that people who download Cocoon are made aware that this code
is under a different license.
On Jan 7, 2008 9:48 AM, Jeremias Maerki <je...@apache.org> wrote:
> (IANAL)
>
> Careful! The Apache License 2.0 is compatible to the GPLv3 but not the
> other way around! You can use ALv2 software in GPL software but using
> GPL-licensed software in Apache products is a strict no-go.
>
> However, it seems you can still use FCKeditor but only under the MPL,
> i.e. as a "Category B: Binary Licenses Only".
>
> On 06.01.2008 21:06:34 Felix Knecht wrote:
> > Sorry, took wrong mail sender address (not the one I subscribed)
> >
> >
> > Dear all
> >
> > After reading a draft of third party license policy (http://people.apache.org/~cliffs/3party.html) and reading the FAQs
> > (http://apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#GPL) I'm still need some help if it's a no go or not.
> >
> > I'd like to integrate FCKeditor in the Apache Cocoon project. FCKeditor is distributed with different licenses like GPL,
> > LGPL, MPL, CDL (http://www.fckeditor.net/license).
> >
> > OOH the draft says that GPL is a nogo, OTH the FAQ says that GPLv3.0 is compatible to Apache License 2.0.
> >
> > FCKeditor licence.txt says:
> > <zitate>
> > FCKeditor - The text editor for Internet - http://www.fckeditor.net
> > Copyright (C) 2003-2007 Frederico Caldeira Knabben
> >
> > Licensed under the terms of any of the following licenses at your
> > choice:
> >
> > - GNU General Public License Version 2 or later (the "GPL")
> > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
> > (See Appendix A)
> >
> > ...
> > </zitate>
> >
> > Following the FAQ I can integrate FCKeditor without any problems in Apache Cocoon just adding the source of FCKeditor
> > into the cocoon code (FCKeditor uses GPLv2 or later --> later ==GPLv3 which is compatible to the Apache License).
> >
> >
> > After all my question:
> >
> > Is it really that simple and I can integrate FCKeditors source code without any problems into Apache Cocoon?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> > Felix
>
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki
>
>
>
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Re: FCKeditor
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <je...@apache.org>.
(IANAL)
Careful! The Apache License 2.0 is compatible to the GPLv3 but not the
other way around! You can use ALv2 software in GPL software but using
GPL-licensed software in Apache products is a strict no-go.
However, it seems you can still use FCKeditor but only under the MPL,
i.e. as a "Category B: Binary Licenses Only".
On 06.01.2008 21:06:34 Felix Knecht wrote:
> Sorry, took wrong mail sender address (not the one I subscribed)
>
>
> Dear all
>
> After reading a draft of third party license policy (http://people.apache.org/~cliffs/3party.html) and reading the FAQs
> (http://apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#GPL) I'm still need some help if it's a no go or not.
>
> I'd like to integrate FCKeditor in the Apache Cocoon project. FCKeditor is distributed with different licenses like GPL,
> LGPL, MPL, CDL (http://www.fckeditor.net/license).
>
> OOH the draft says that GPL is a nogo, OTH the FAQ says that GPLv3.0 is compatible to Apache License 2.0.
>
> FCKeditor licence.txt says:
> <zitate>
> FCKeditor - The text editor for Internet - http://www.fckeditor.net
> Copyright (C) 2003-2007 Frederico Caldeira Knabben
>
> Licensed under the terms of any of the following licenses at your
> choice:
>
> - GNU General Public License Version 2 or later (the "GPL")
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
> (See Appendix A)
>
> ...
> </zitate>
>
> Following the FAQ I can integrate FCKeditor without any problems in Apache Cocoon just adding the source of FCKeditor
> into the cocoon code (FCKeditor uses GPLv2 or later --> later ==GPLv3 which is compatible to the Apache License).
>
>
> After all my question:
>
> Is it really that simple and I can integrate FCKeditors source code without any problems into Apache Cocoon?
>
>
> Thanks for your help
> Felix
Jeremias Maerki
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