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Posted to log4j-dev@logging.apache.org by Scott Farquhar <sc...@atlassian.com> on 2002/02/02 02:49:15 UTC
Avalon Logging Toolkit
Can anyone explain why this toolkit exists?
http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/logkit/index.html
Seems like a straight rip-off from log4j?
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Re: Avalon Logging Toolkit
Posted by Ceki Gülcü <ce...@qos.ch>.
It is indeed a straight rip-off from log4j. What is most disturbing is
that this is happening within the boundaries of the foundation. Some
people will condone such acts plagiarism in any way they can. It is
easier to ignore plagiarism than actually to deal with it.
At 12:49 02.02.2002 +1100, Scott Farquhar wrote:
>Can anyone explain why this toolkit exists?
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/logkit/index.html
>
>Seems like a straight rip-off from log4j?
>
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Re: Avalon Logging Toolkit
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@mac.com>.
On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 03:18 PM, Scott Farquhar wrote:
> Robert,
hi scott
> Thanks for your reasoned reply. From a quick search of the mailing list,
> it seems that well-thought out replies are common from yourself ;)
FYI that reply was extremely well thought out and took me quite a long
time to get exactly right.
i've seen one pointless logging flame war too many. i'm *sick* of them and
refuse to participate. IMHO giving reasons just fans the flames.
at least now you're asking the right questions. i'm not going to offer you
answers - everything i've built my opinions upon is there first hand in
the mail archives (some of the most interesting stuff is on lists which
have been renamed so you might need to dig a little - dig further into the
earliest days of the commons, look at general when log4j was accepted into
jakarta and a lot earlier on the log4j lists).
form your own opinions but remember everyone has an agenda (mine is to
avoid any more logging flame wars ;)
- robert
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Re: Avalon Logging Toolkit
Posted by Scott Farquhar <sc...@atlassian.com>.
Robert,
Thanks for your reasoned reply. From a quick search of the mailing
list, it seems that well-thought out replies are common from yourself ;)
I probably shouldn't have posted my hasty email before - from reading
now, I can see how it looked like a troll.
I guess I was wondering why jakarta allows two different logging
toolkits. If there is an advantage of the avalon one over log4j, then I
would like to hear the differences. If these advantage can be rolled
into log4j - then we should do that.
It just seems like there is a lot of duplication of code (which the
Open-Source movement is supposed to address), and I was frustrated that
yet another toolkit was being released.
So my (more reasoned) questions are:
- what differences & advantages / disadvantages do one toolkit have over
the other?
- what prevents this toolkits being rolled into one?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Scott
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> <warning>if you'd asked that question in that way on any other jakarta
> list expect to be flamed</warning>
>
> it all comes down to history and priorities. (that's all i'm going to
> say so it's no use trying to draw me into a flame war.)
>
> - robert
>
> On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 01:49 AM, Scott Farquhar wrote:
>
>> Can anyone explain why this toolkit exists?
>>
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/logkit/index.html
>>
>> Seems like a straight rip-off from log4j?
>>
>> -- Scott Farquhar :: scott@atlassian.com
>>
>> Atlassian :: http://www.atlassian.com
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Re: Avalon Logging Toolkit
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@mac.com>.
<warning>if you'd asked that question in that way on any other jakarta
list expect to be flamed</warning>
it all comes down to history and priorities. (that's all i'm going to say
so it's no use trying to draw me into a flame war.)
- robert
On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 01:49 AM, Scott Farquhar wrote:
> Can anyone explain why this toolkit exists?
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/logkit/index.html
>
> Seems like a straight rip-off from log4j?
>
> -- Scott Farquhar :: scott@atlassian.com
>
> Atlassian :: http://www.atlassian.com
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>
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