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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com> on 2002/12/06 17:30:38 UTC
XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
Hi folks,
A colleague of mine pointed me to XEOS at
http://www.heletel.com/products/xeos/index.html
This is a copy of Cocoon 2 (seems to be the 2.0.0 release) which has
been totally repackaged ("org.apache.cocoon" changed to
"com.heletel.xeos"). Strangely, though, the sitemap and XSP namespaces
have been kept as is.
I couldn't find any mention of Cocoon in the docs or accompanying files,
although the Apache license in its Tomacat incarnation since they also
embed Tomcat.
Do some of you know about this product ? Is it legal for them not to
mention Cocoon ?
Sylvain
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Re: XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
Posted by Roger I Martin PhD <hy...@hypernexinc.com>.
Their web site is down. I wonder why.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernhard Huber" <be...@a1.net>
To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
> >
> > Yep. And instead of helping the community to debug Cocoon, they made
> > their own fork and are now miles away behind us ;-)
>
> well, they just need to reimport & rename the package names again, being
> uptodate again
> if they have scripts to do that job
>
>
>
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Re: XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
Posted by Bernhard Huber <be...@a1.net>.
>
> Yep. And instead of helping the community to debug Cocoon, they made
> their own fork and are now miles away behind us ;-)
well, they just need to reimport & rename the package names again, being
uptodate again
if they have scripts to do that job
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Re: XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
Posted by "Ilya A. Kriveshko" <il...@kaon.com>.
Search for "cocoon" on their FAQ page.
http://www.heletel.com/support/faqs.html
Freudian slip, must be. All 11 of them. :-))
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Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>>> Do some of you know about this product ?
>>
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Re: XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> Steven Noels wrote:
>
> > Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> >
> >> Do some of you know about this product ?
> >
> >
> > I downloaded it some time ago (more than a year ago, actually), and
> > had some trouble getting it up & running. Dunnow whether it has
> > evolved since then.
> >
> > Funny enough, I vaguely recall having a brief email exchange,
> > mentioning its obvious Cocoon-basedness, and then the following answers:
> >
> > "Xeos2 is based on an early version of Cocoon2 that has been debugged
> > and improved to form a basis for adding improved database functionality."
> >
> > and
> >
> > "We renamed the org.apache to com.heletel in order to maintain all
> > files within a single package."
> >
> > Gee :-)
>
>
> Yep. And instead of helping the community to debug Cocoon, they made
> their own fork and are now miles away behind us ;-)
That's called "paying stupid taxes" when one tries to catchup with the
recent version of a previously forked OS project ;)
Giacomo
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Re: XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>
>> Do some of you know about this product ?
>
>
> I downloaded it some time ago (more than a year ago, actually), and
> had some trouble getting it up & running. Dunnow whether it has
> evolved since then.
>
> Funny enough, I vaguely recall having a brief email exchange,
> mentioning its obvious Cocoon-basedness, and then the following answers:
>
> "Xeos2 is based on an early version of Cocoon2 that has been debugged
> and improved to form a basis for adding improved database functionality."
>
> and
>
> "We renamed the org.apache to com.heletel in order to maintain all
> files within a single package."
>
> Gee :-)
Yep. And instead of helping the community to debug Cocoon, they made
their own fork and are now miles away behind us ;-)
Sylvain
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Re: XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> Do some of you know about this product ?
I downloaded it some time ago (more than a year ago, actually), and had
some trouble getting it up & running. Dunnow whether it has evolved
since then.
Funny enough, I vaguely recall having a brief email exchange, mentioning
its obvious Cocoon-basedness, and then the following answers:
"Xeos2 is based on an early version of Cocoon2 that has been debugged
and improved to form a basis for adding improved database functionality."
and
"We renamed the org.apache to com.heletel in order to maintain all files
within a single package."
Gee :-)
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Re: XEOS : a commercially packaged Cocoon
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@verizon.net>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> A colleague of mine pointed me to XEOS at
> http://www.heletel.com/products/xeos/index.html
>
> This is a copy of Cocoon 2 (seems to be the 2.0.0 release) which has
> been totally repackaged ("org.apache.cocoon" changed to
> "com.heletel.xeos"). Strangely, though, the sitemap and XSP namespaces
> have been kept as is.
>
> I couldn't find any mention of Cocoon in the docs or accompanying
> files, although the Apache license in its Tomacat incarnation since
> they also embed Tomcat.
>
> Do some of you know about this product ? Is it legal for them not to
> mention Cocoon ?
I bet it's legal. They need to mention only ASF:
3. The end-user documentation included with the redistribution, if any,
must
include the following acknowledgment: "This product includes
software
developed by the Apache Software Foundation
(http://www.apache.org/)."
Alternately, this acknowledgment may appear in the software
itself, if
and wherever such third-party acknowledgments normally appear.
Moreover, to play on a safe side, they should not mention Cocoon:
4. The names "Apache Cocoon" and "Apache Software Foundation" must
not be
used to endorse or promote products derived from this software
without
prior written permission. For written permission, please contact
apache@apache.org.
5. Products derived from this software may not be called "Apache",
nor may
"Apache" appear in their name, without prior written permission
of the
Apache Software Foundation.
PS Bea done same to Xerces and Xerces - see weblogic.apache.* packages.
Vadim
> Sylvain
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