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[VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Demote [latka] to dormant status
(It has no activity and no release)
[ ] +1 - Demote
[ ] -1 - Keep [latka] alive, because...
Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
(It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
[ ] +1 - Demote
[ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
PS: I'm hoping that someone will volunteer to do the actual svn moves
and demotion ;-)
Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Dion Gillard <di...@gmail.com>.
On 3/13/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> Demote [latka] to dormant status
> (It has no activity and no release)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [latka] alive, because...
+1. As one of the few committers that has worked on latka.
Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
+0.
PS: I'm hoping that someone will volunteer to do the actual svn moves
> and demotion ;-)
>
> Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 3/12/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
<snip/>
>
> PS: I'm hoping that someone will volunteer to do the actual svn moves
> and demotion ;-)
>
<snap/>
I can do SVN moves (in any direction) as and when volunteers are
needed. Sites too, probably, if they build on the first (or second ;-)
attempt -- I have the "recommended" setup.
-Rahul
> Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com>.
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> Demote [latka] to dormant status
> (It has no activity and no release)
> [X] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [latka] alive, because...
>
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
> [X] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Simon Kitching <sk...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 22:04 +0000, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> Demote [latka] to dormant status
+1
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
+1
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@apache.org>.
>> Demote [latka] to dormant status
>> (It has no activity and no release)
>> [ ] +1 - Demote
+1
>> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
>> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
+0
cheers
--
Torsten
Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Sandy McArthur <sa...@apache.org>.
On 3/12/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Demote [latka] to dormant status
> (It has no activity and no release)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
+0
> [ ] -1 - Keep [latka] alive, because...
>
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
+0
> [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
>
>
> PS: I'm hoping that someone will volunteer to do the actual svn moves
> and demotion ;-)
--
Sandy McArthur
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest."
- Thomas Paine
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 23:22 +0100, Christian Meder wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 22:04 +0000, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> > Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> > (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
> > [ ] +1 - Demote
> > [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
>
> Hi,
>
> I use a resources snapshot too and I'd really like it to see a release
> because it forms a flexible i18n foundation.
i'm interested in globalization: combining resources with a scripting
language (JEXL, say) to allow expressive multilingural customisation.
> Probably I should move it higher on my todo list ;-)
all we need to folks with time to step up :)
- robert
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Christian Meder <ch...@absolutegiganten.org>.
On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 22:04 +0000, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
Hi,
I use a resources snapshot too and I'd really like it to see a release
because it forms a flexible i18n foundation.
Probably I should move it higher on my todo list ;-)
Christian
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Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 14/03/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> I suggest that a discussion about renaming Dormat to Unmaintained starts
> in a new thread.
How about Doormat instead ;-)
[Sorry ...]
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Re: [all] dormancy nomenclature [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant]
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 3/14/06, robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 22:25 +0000, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
>
<snip/>
>
> > I'm not going to be able to action this for a few days now.
>
> it'd be best to get some documentation up before making the move
>
<snap/>
This came up at feedparser time, resulted in (which ofcourse you -- or
anyone else -- is free to edit):
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/MovingComponents
-Rahul
> - robert
>
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[all] dormancy nomenclature [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Demote Latka
and Resources to Dormant]
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 22:25 +0000, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
<snip>
> None of this should prevent it being brought back later.
cool
> I suggest that a discussion about renaming Dormat to Unmaintained starts
> in a new thread.
here's the thread :)
i quite like the idea of grades of status and separating the community
organisational (moving to a separate part of the repository) from the
communication perspective. perhaps we allow different states of dormancy
to let users know a little more.
resources has a lot more interest and has a reasonable chance of being
resurrected. there are interested committers who lack the energy ATM to
push the component forward. if an interested developer or two stepped up
then it could quite easily burst into life again. the code base is
mature but limited. the only reason not to use resources is that it
lacks a formal release.
this is quite different from latka.
> I'm not going to be able to action this for a few days now.
it'd be best to get some documentation up before making the move
- robert
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Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 3/14/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
<snip/>
>
> I'm not going to be able to action this for a few days now. Rahul, you
> volunteered to help move the components, so if you're still willing, the
> opportunity is now there :-)
>
<snap/>
Yes, it was a blanket offer. Though I'll wait well beyond 72 hours
since the vote(s) were called, as a general courtesy.
-Rahul
> Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 3/27/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *ping*
>
> In case this one has dropped off of the TODO lists.
>
<snip/>
Still on the list, and within the next 24 hours.
-Rahul
> Hen
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Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
*ping*
In case this one has dropped off of the TODO lists.
Hen
On 3/14/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> > Demote [latka] to dormant status
>
> +1
> Simon Kitching
> Henri Yandell
> Robert Burrell Donkin
> Dion Gillard
> Niall Pemberton
> Torsten Curdt
> Stephen Colebourne
> Brian Wallace (non binding)
>
> +0
> Sandy McArthur
>
> Vote passes - move to dormant
>
>
> > Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> +1
> Simon Kitching
> Henri Yandell
> Robert Burrell Donkin
> Stephen Colebourne
> Brian Wallace (non binding)
>
> +0
> Dion Gillard
> Sandy McArthur
> Torsten Curdt
>
> -0
> Niall Pemberton
>
> Vote passes - move to dormant
> None of this should prevent it being brought back later.
>
> I suggest that a discussion about renaming Dormat to Unmaintained starts
> in a new thread.
>
>
> I'm not going to be able to action this for a few days now. Rahul, you
> volunteered to help move the components, so if you're still willing, the
> opportunity is now there :-)
>
> Stephen
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[VOTE] [RESULT] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com>.
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> Demote [latka] to dormant status
+1
Simon Kitching
Henri Yandell
Robert Burrell Donkin
Dion Gillard
Niall Pemberton
Torsten Curdt
Stephen Colebourne
Brian Wallace (non binding)
+0
Sandy McArthur
Vote passes - move to dormant
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
+1
Simon Kitching
Henri Yandell
Robert Burrell Donkin
Stephen Colebourne
Brian Wallace (non binding)
+0
Dion Gillard
Sandy McArthur
Torsten Curdt
-0
Niall Pemberton
Vote passes - move to dormant
None of this should prevent it being brought back later.
I suggest that a discussion about renaming Dormat to Unmaintained starts
in a new thread.
I'm not going to be able to action this for a few days now. Rahul, you
volunteered to help move the components, so if you're still willing, the
opportunity is now there :-)
Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 3/12/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
> > Are we relegating these to the sandbox, or are we expanding the
> > dormant concept to contain released projects?
> These are unreleased.
>
> (Latka has an official alpha -
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_commons-latka.cgi,
> but this doesn't really count.)
My mistake, I thought resources had a release. Wholehearted +1 to dormancy.
Hen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
> Are we relegating these to the sandbox, or are we expanding the
> dormant concept to contain released projects?
These are unreleased.
(Latka has an official alpha -
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_commons-latka.cgi,
but this doesn't really count.)
Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Simon Kitching <sk...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 14:40 -0800, Henri Yandell wrote:
> On 3/12/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> > Demote [latka] to dormant status
>
> +1
>
> > Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
>
> +1
>
> Are we relegating these to the sandbox, or are we expanding the
> dormant concept to contain released projects?
Hmm..what happened to the proposals recently to change the terminology?
One proposal was to have "active", "maintained" and "unmaintained" which
I liked. Marking these projects "unmaintained" (so users know what they
are getting into) is really what is happening, yes?
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 3/12/06, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Demote [latka] to dormant status
+1
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
+1
Are we relegating these to the sandbox, or are we expanding the
dormant concept to contain released projects?
Hen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by "Brian K. Wallace" <br...@transmorphix.com>.
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> Demote [latka] to dormant status
> (It has no activity and no release)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [latka] alive, because...
+1 (non-binding)
>
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
+1 (non-binding)
>
>
> PS: I'm hoping that someone will volunteer to do the actual svn moves
> and demotion ;-)
>
> Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 12:23 +1300, Simon Kitching wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:47 +0000, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 05:25 -0500, James Mitchell wrote:
> > > I agree with Niall.
> > >
> > > I've written several database-based implementations for resources,
> > > and there already exists a Struts plugin for resources that let's our
> > > users use commons-resources now (and is backward compatible to Struts
> > > 1.1).
> > >
> > > The only thing commons-resources really suffers from is not having
> > > someone give the time to do a release. I feel it is ready, I just
> > > don't have the time right now.
> >
> > i'm hoping that's what dormant means: resources is just suffering from a
> > lack of developer time right. i'd definitely support a move back to
> > proper if anyone steps up with the energy to push it to a release.
> >
>
> I still prefer the term "unmaintained", which is exactly what it
> currently is. If maintainers appear, then the status can be changed back
> again.
>
> The term "dormant" *does* mean roughly the same thing, but isn't as
> clear I think (particularly for non-native English speakers).
+1
some words on the website explaining this would be very good...
- robert
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Simon Kitching <sk...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:47 +0000, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 05:25 -0500, James Mitchell wrote:
> > I agree with Niall.
> >
> > I've written several database-based implementations for resources,
> > and there already exists a Struts plugin for resources that let's our
> > users use commons-resources now (and is backward compatible to Struts
> > 1.1).
> >
> > The only thing commons-resources really suffers from is not having
> > someone give the time to do a release. I feel it is ready, I just
> > don't have the time right now.
>
> i'm hoping that's what dormant means: resources is just suffering from a
> lack of developer time right. i'd definitely support a move back to
> proper if anyone steps up with the energy to push it to a release.
>
I still prefer the term "unmaintained", which is exactly what it
currently is. If maintainers appear, then the status can be changed back
again.
The term "dormant" *does* mean roughly the same thing, but isn't as
clear I think (particularly for non-native English speakers).
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 05:25 -0500, James Mitchell wrote:
> I agree with Niall.
>
> I've written several database-based implementations for resources,
> and there already exists a Struts plugin for resources that let's our
> users use commons-resources now (and is backward compatible to Struts
> 1.1).
>
> The only thing commons-resources really suffers from is not having
> someone give the time to do a release. I feel it is ready, I just
> don't have the time right now.
i'm hoping that's what dormant means: resources is just suffering from a
lack of developer time right. i'd definitely support a move back to
proper if anyone steps up with the energy to push it to a release.
- robert
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org>.
I agree with Niall.
I've written several database-based implementations for resources,
and there already exists a Struts plugin for resources that let's our
users use commons-resources now (and is backward compatible to Struts
1.1).
The only thing commons-resources really suffers from is not having
someone give the time to do a release. I feel it is ready, I just
don't have the time right now.
--
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EdgeTech, Inc.
http://edgetechservices.net/
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Skype: jmitchtx
On Mar 12, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Colebourne" <sc...@btopenworld.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:04 PM
>
>
>> Demote [latka] to dormant status
>> (It has no activity and no release)
>> [ ] +1 - Demote
>> [ ] -1 - Keep [latka] alive, because...
>
> +1
>
>> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
>> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
>> [ ] +1 - Demote
>> [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
>
> -0
>
> Struts hasn't ever used it properly because it was never released.
> I still
> think theres a good reason for resources to exist and I would like
> to work
> on it. However practical reality is that I'm unlikely to do so, so
> I'm not
> going to vote against this, although at this point I would prefer
> it to
> remain as it is, rather than demoted back to the sandbox - which I
> believe
> practically means its demise.
>
> Niall
>
>> PS: I'm hoping that someone will volunteer to do the actual svn moves
>> and demotion ;-)
>>
>> Stephen
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Colebourne" <sc...@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:04 PM
> Demote [latka] to dormant status
> (It has no activity and no release)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [latka] alive, because...
+1
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
> [ ] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
-0
Struts hasn't ever used it properly because it was never released. I still
think theres a good reason for resources to exist and I would like to work
on it. However practical reality is that I'm unlikely to do so, so I'm not
going to vote against this, although at this point I would prefer it to
remain as it is, rather than demoted back to the sandbox - which I believe
practically means its demise.
Niall
> PS: I'm hoping that someone will volunteer to do the actual svn moves
> and demotion ;-)
>
> Stephen
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Re: [VOTE] Demote Latka and Resources to Dormant
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
i'm not sure that it's a good idea to call this a demotion. hopefully
one day some components will actually be finished and graduate to
dormant...
On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 22:04 +0000, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> Demote [latka] to dormant status
> (It has no activity and no release)
> [X] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [latka] alive, because...
> Demote [reosurces] to dormant status
> (It's main customer Struts isn't using it now)
i use it :)
> [X] +1 - Demote
> [ ] -1 - Keep [resources] alive, because...
for some time now, i've wanted to create a globalization library based
on resources but it can always be moved back again if i ever get the
cycles...
- robert
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