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moving from bugzilla to jira?
Fop and XMLGraphicsCommons appear to be two of the few Apache products
still using Bugzilla instead of JIRA. I propose we migrate to JIRA. Any
objection?
Regards,
Glenn
Re: moving from bugzilla to jira?
Posted by Chris Bowditch <bo...@hotmail.com>.
On 16/04/2012 10:46, Glenn Adams wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Chris Bowditch
> <bo...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> You said most of the work would be done on infra@. But I'm guessing that
>> someone from the XML Graphics PMC would need to help in some way, or is it
>> as simple as opening a Infra JIRA to ask them to do the migration? We would
>> need one of the committers to update all the website pages. There are
>> several links to Bugzilla there.
>>
>> I'm happy to move from BZ to JIRA as long as it doesn't take time away
>> from other important tasks. Do you volunteer to oversee the conversion?
>>
> yes
Great thanks Glenn :-)
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Re: moving from bugzilla to jira?
Posted by Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com>.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Chris Bowditch
<bo...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> On 14/04/2012 15:45, Glenn Adams wrote:
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
>
> Fop and XMLGraphicsCommons appear to be two of the few Apache products
>> still using Bugzilla instead of JIRA. I propose we migrate to JIRA. Any
>> objection?
>>
>
> You said most of the work would be done on infra@. But I'm guessing that
> someone from the XML Graphics PMC would need to help in some way, or is it
> as simple as opening a Infra JIRA to ask them to do the migration? We would
> need one of the committers to update all the website pages. There are
> several links to Bugzilla there.
>
> I'm happy to move from BZ to JIRA as long as it doesn't take time away
> from other important tasks. Do you volunteer to oversee the conversion?
>
yes
Re: moving from bugzilla to jira?
Posted by Chris Bowditch <bo...@hotmail.com>.
On 14/04/2012 15:45, Glenn Adams wrote:
Hi Glenn,
> Fop and XMLGraphicsCommons appear to be two of the few Apache products
> still using Bugzilla instead of JIRA. I propose we migrate to JIRA. Any
> objection?
You said most of the work would be done on infra@. But I'm guessing that
someone from the XML Graphics PMC would need to help in some way, or is
it as simple as opening a Infra JIRA to ask them to do the migration? We
would need one of the committers to update all the website pages. There
are several links to Bugzilla there.
I'm happy to move from BZ to JIRA as long as it doesn't take time away
from other important tasks. Do you volunteer to oversee the conversion?
Thanks,
Chris
>
> Regards,
> Glenn
>
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Re: moving from bugzilla to jira?
Posted by Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com>.
here's a nice view of an improved interface, showing a summary of activity
on the INFRA project; it would take a fair a bit of work to extract the
same information from BZ
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com> wrote:
> I notice some additional information at
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheJira, which includes:
>
> "Many ASF projects are currently using JIRA, and other projects are
> encouraged to migrate"
>
> see also the response to
>
> *Q: Why would people prefer JIRA?*
>
> one feature I see listed there is:
>
>
> Interaction via email: reply to a change notification email, and your reply will appear as a comment in the issue.
>
> that would certainly be useful, as one now has to remember *not* to
> respond to a BZ notification directly
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:17 AM, mehdi houshmand <me...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Glenn,
>>>
>>> Apart from the linking between bugs and svn commits, what do we gain?
>>> Migrating to JIRA is presumably non-trivial[1], so is it really worth it?
>>>
>>
>> I did suggest this after using JIRA with PDFBox because it's nicer to use
>>> and faster, but I'm not sure those reasons mitigate the cost of
>>> migration.
>>> But then, I didn't spend much time looking into the capabilities that
>>> JIRA
>>> offers.
>>>
>>
>> the main reason I wish to convert is because bugzilla is little used and
>> little maintained in ASF at this point from what i can tell; most projects
>> are using JIRA and few continue to use BZ; i just noticed that BCEL has
>> recently requested @Infra to perform the conversion to JIRA [1] (though
>> there appear to be a few bumps in that path)
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4298
>>
>> given Clay's efforts to modernizer our site doc infrastructure, it seems
>> appropriate to look at other tool upgrades as well;
>>
>> as for cost, the main work will be on @Infra to perform the conversion,
>> and for us as users to make the mental change; i haven't personally used
>> JIRA much, but it seems a more modern, feature-full interface as well as
>> having better svn integration features;
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Mehdi
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheBugzillaToJiraMigration
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 April 2012 15:45, Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Fop and XMLGraphicsCommons appear to be two of the few Apache products
>>> > still using Bugzilla instead of JIRA. I propose we migrate to JIRA. Any
>>> > objection?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Glenn
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: moving from bugzilla to jira?
Posted by Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com>.
I notice some additional information at
http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheJira, which includes:
"Many ASF projects are currently using JIRA, and other projects are
encouraged to migrate"
see also the response to
*Q: Why would people prefer JIRA?*
one feature I see listed there is:
Interaction via email: reply to a change notification email, and your
reply will appear as a comment in the issue.
that would certainly be useful, as one now has to remember *not* to respond
to a BZ notification directly
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:17 AM, mehdi houshmand <me...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Glenn,
>>
>> Apart from the linking between bugs and svn commits, what do we gain?
>> Migrating to JIRA is presumably non-trivial[1], so is it really worth it?
>>
>
> I did suggest this after using JIRA with PDFBox because it's nicer to use
>> and faster, but I'm not sure those reasons mitigate the cost of migration.
>> But then, I didn't spend much time looking into the capabilities that JIRA
>> offers.
>>
>
> the main reason I wish to convert is because bugzilla is little used and
> little maintained in ASF at this point from what i can tell; most projects
> are using JIRA and few continue to use BZ; i just noticed that BCEL has
> recently requested @Infra to perform the conversion to JIRA [1] (though
> there appear to be a few bumps in that path)
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4298
>
> given Clay's efforts to modernizer our site doc infrastructure, it seems
> appropriate to look at other tool upgrades as well;
>
> as for cost, the main work will be on @Infra to perform the conversion,
> and for us as users to make the mental change; i haven't personally used
> JIRA much, but it seems a more modern, feature-full interface as well as
> having better svn integration features;
>
>
>>
>> Mehdi
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheBugzillaToJiraMigration
>>
>>
>> On 14 April 2012 15:45, Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Fop and XMLGraphicsCommons appear to be two of the few Apache products
>> > still using Bugzilla instead of JIRA. I propose we migrate to JIRA. Any
>> > objection?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Glenn
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: moving from bugzilla to jira?
Posted by Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com>.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:17 AM, mehdi houshmand <me...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Glenn,
>
> Apart from the linking between bugs and svn commits, what do we gain?
> Migrating to JIRA is presumably non-trivial[1], so is it really worth it?
>
I did suggest this after using JIRA with PDFBox because it's nicer to use
> and faster, but I'm not sure those reasons mitigate the cost of migration.
> But then, I didn't spend much time looking into the capabilities that JIRA
> offers.
>
the main reason I wish to convert is because bugzilla is little used and
little maintained in ASF at this point from what i can tell; most projects
are using JIRA and few continue to use BZ; i just noticed that BCEL has
recently requested @Infra to perform the conversion to JIRA [1] (though
there appear to be a few bumps in that path)
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4298
given Clay's efforts to modernizer our site doc infrastructure, it seems
appropriate to look at other tool upgrades as well;
as for cost, the main work will be on @Infra to perform the conversion, and
for us as users to make the mental change; i haven't personally used JIRA
much, but it seems a more modern, feature-full interface as well as having
better svn integration features;
>
> Mehdi
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheBugzillaToJiraMigration
>
>
> On 14 April 2012 15:45, Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com> wrote:
>
> > Fop and XMLGraphicsCommons appear to be two of the few Apache products
> > still using Bugzilla instead of JIRA. I propose we migrate to JIRA. Any
> > objection?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Glenn
> >
>
Re: moving from bugzilla to jira?
Posted by mehdi houshmand <me...@gmail.com>.
Hi Glenn,
Apart from the linking between bugs and svn commits, what do we gain?
Migrating to JIRA is presumably non-trivial[1], so is it really worth it?
I did suggest this after using JIRA with PDFBox because it's nicer to use
and faster, but I'm not sure those reasons mitigate the cost of migration.
But then, I didn't spend much time looking into the capabilities that JIRA
offers.
Mehdi
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheBugzillaToJiraMigration
On 14 April 2012 15:45, Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com> wrote:
> Fop and XMLGraphicsCommons appear to be two of the few Apache products
> still using Bugzilla instead of JIRA. I propose we migrate to JIRA. Any
> objection?
>
> Regards,
> Glenn
>