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Posted to taglibs-dev@jakarta.apache.org by Rich Catlett <ri...@more.net> on 2001/02/16 23:17:42 UTC
taglib for submission
I work with a committer, and I have a taglib that I would like to commit
to the Apache project. First off the taglib is called scrape. It makes
an http connection to a named site and then using regular expressions it
grabs a portion and displays it in the users own jsp page. It
understands the http headers lastmodified and expired, and it uses these
along with a time limit to determine if it needs to go and rescrape the
page of if it can use a cached version. This way it is not banging on
the servers all of the time and it speeds up the page when it is
requested. I have a few questions though, the taglib uses an HTTPClient
package that is licensed under the GNU LGPL. This falls under this
section of the license:
6. As an exception to the Sections above, you may also combine or
link a "work that uses the Library" with the Library to produce a
work containing portions of the Library, and distribute that work
under terms of your choice, provided that the terms permit
modification of the work for the customer's own use and reverse
engineering for debugging such modifications.
You must give prominent notice with each copy of the work that the
Library is used in it and that the Library and its use are covered by
this License. You must supply a copy of this License. If the work
during execution displays copyright notices, you must include the
copyright notice for the Library among them, as well as a reference
directing the user to the copy of this License. Also, you must do one
of these things:
a) Accompany the work with the complete corresponding
machine-readable source code for the Library including whatever
changes were used in the work (which must be distributed under
Sections 1 and 2 above); and, if the work is an executable linked
with the Library, with the complete machine-readable "work that
uses the Library", as object code and/or source code, so that the
user can modify the Library and then relink to produce a modified
executable containing the modified Library. (It is understood
that the user who changes the contents of definitions files in the
Library will not necessarily be able to recompile the application
to use the modified definitions.)
It seems to me that all I have to do is include the entire HTTPClient
package in it's slightly modified version with the license, and that will
be fine. I wanted to ask those who are licenseing gurus, if this is a
correct assumption.
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Re: taglib for submission
Posted by Rich Catlett <ri...@more.net>.
How would I go about just getting an HTTP client package, or would I have
to extract it from one of the projects mentioned below.
Rich Catlett
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>
> > I have used this taglib, it works well.
> >
> > +1 to add it to jakarta-taglibs if the LGPL license isn't a problem
> >
>
> The LGPL license *is* a problem.
>
> First, any source code checked in to ASF repositories needs to have the ASF
> license and copyright. So, if you were going to check the source of the
> HTTPClient in, it would need to be licensed to ASF to be accepted.
>
> If you are just using the HttpClient as an external dependency, the simplest
> thing to do would be just state the dependency in the docs, and include a
> pointer to where you can download the appropriate JAR. Trying to include the
> JAR in a binary distribution (without the source) would be problematic,
> because the distribution itself would then be licensed under LGPL terms
> (instead of Apache's ASL) -- and it is difficult to ensure that everyone who
> downloads the distribution would understand that difference.
>
> The best alternative would be to leverage one of the existing HTTP client
> packages available in various Jakarta projects, including the ones in Slide,
> Ant, and Tomcat. Then, no license issues would arise.
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Glenn
> >
>
> Oh, by the way, +1 if the LGPL'd code, or any dependency on it, is removed.
>
> Craig McClanahan
>
>
> >
> > Rich Catlett wrote:
> > >
> > > I work with a committer, and I have a taglib that I would like to commit
> > > to the Apache project. First off the taglib is called scrape. It makes
> > > an http connection to a named site and then using regular expressions it
> > > grabs a portion and displays it in the users own jsp page. It
> > > understands the http headers lastmodified and expired, and it uses these
> > > along with a time limit to determine if it needs to go and rescrape the
> > > page of if it can use a cached version. This way it is not banging on
> > > the servers all of the time and it speeds up the page when it is
> > > requested. I have a few questions though, the taglib uses an HTTPClient
> > > package that is licensed under the GNU LGPL. This falls under this
> > > section of the license:
> > >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Glenn Nielsen glenn@more.net | /* Spelin donut madder |
> > MOREnet System Programming | * if iz ina coment. |
> > Missouri Research and Education Network | */ |
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Re: taglib for submission
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <Cr...@eng.sun.com>.
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
> I have used this taglib, it works well.
>
> +1 to add it to jakarta-taglibs if the LGPL license isn't a problem
>
The LGPL license *is* a problem.
First, any source code checked in to ASF repositories needs to have the ASF
license and copyright. So, if you were going to check the source of the
HTTPClient in, it would need to be licensed to ASF to be accepted.
If you are just using the HttpClient as an external dependency, the simplest
thing to do would be just state the dependency in the docs, and include a
pointer to where you can download the appropriate JAR. Trying to include the
JAR in a binary distribution (without the source) would be problematic,
because the distribution itself would then be licensed under LGPL terms
(instead of Apache's ASL) -- and it is difficult to ensure that everyone who
downloads the distribution would understand that difference.
The best alternative would be to leverage one of the existing HTTP client
packages available in various Jakarta projects, including the ones in Slide,
Ant, and Tomcat. Then, no license issues would arise.
>
> Regards,
>
> Glenn
>
Oh, by the way, +1 if the LGPL'd code, or any dependency on it, is removed.
Craig McClanahan
>
> Rich Catlett wrote:
> >
> > I work with a committer, and I have a taglib that I would like to commit
> > to the Apache project. First off the taglib is called scrape. It makes
> > an http connection to a named site and then using regular expressions it
> > grabs a portion and displays it in the users own jsp page. It
> > understands the http headers lastmodified and expired, and it uses these
> > along with a time limit to determine if it needs to go and rescrape the
> > page of if it can use a cached version. This way it is not banging on
> > the servers all of the time and it speeds up the page when it is
> > requested. I have a few questions though, the taglib uses an HTTPClient
> > package that is licensed under the GNU LGPL. This falls under this
> > section of the license:
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Glenn Nielsen glenn@more.net | /* Spelin donut madder |
> MOREnet System Programming | * if iz ina coment. |
> Missouri Research and Education Network | */ |
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: taglib for submission
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@voyager.apg.more.net>.
I have used this taglib, it works well.
+1 to add it to jakarta-taglibs if the LGPL license isn't a problem
Regards,
Glenn
Rich Catlett wrote:
>
> I work with a committer, and I have a taglib that I would like to commit
> to the Apache project. First off the taglib is called scrape. It makes
> an http connection to a named site and then using regular expressions it
> grabs a portion and displays it in the users own jsp page. It
> understands the http headers lastmodified and expired, and it uses these
> along with a time limit to determine if it needs to go and rescrape the
> page of if it can use a cached version. This way it is not banging on
> the servers all of the time and it speeds up the page when it is
> requested. I have a few questions though, the taglib uses an HTTPClient
> package that is licensed under the GNU LGPL. This falls under this
> section of the license:
>
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Glenn Nielsen glenn@more.net | /* Spelin donut madder |
MOREnet System Programming | * if iz ina coment. |
Missouri Research and Education Network | */ |
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