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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> on 2015/11/12 05:00:13 UTC
Re: r1712824 withdrawn by committer.
Wow .. this is pathetic … the change was not too important but it is actually not
the first time it happens. Funny thing is that at ApacheConEU I met some nice
people from this company that wanted to hire OpenOffice developers.
Some people see AOO as a test to see if permissive licenses are better or
worse than copyleft. The truth is that the practice of draining contributions from
the competition by whatever means is the type of dirtiness that free software
was meant to fight. Of course the FSF is also against AOO from the start so
we will not get any sympathy there.
Let me state this openly for those unaware: there are dark powers in play that
want Apache OpenOffice as a project, as a product, and as a community to fail.
It is not a coincidence that a redhat employee was openly asking to kill this
project (for some issue with his mom - really).
In this case, the contest, if someone still looks at it like that, is not about who
has a better license/policy or about the capacity of the ASF to nurture and
sustain big projects: this was always about deep pockets wanting to control
a product. Business as usual, so to speak.
It’s sad in a certain sense, but AOO will keep on as long as it continues
to be useful for people independently of the games other communities
play.
Pedro.
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Re: r1712824 withdrawn by committer.
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
Hi Davide and Dave;
Just to clarify, withdrawing a change is not generally something that is viable. and
this doesn’t seem to be the case of someone changing it’s mind about contributing.
What appears to have happened is that the author doesn’t own the code he wrote.
This is standard industry practice, especially if you got paid to develop the code
originally. Reverting the change was absolutely the right thing to do.
FWIW, I have huge experience sharing code under multiple licenses and normally
companies will take hints from the original developers and do what’s best for their
interests. Sharing code usually makes sense especially when you are already
consuming a lot of code from the general pool.
In this case, not sharing some bug fixes doesn’t really help either project.
It’s a perfectly legal choice but not one that is in any way in the spirit of
opensource. IMHO.
This type of attitude also backfires, and is the main reason why you didn’t see
many contributions from me until just before the AOO release.
Pedro.
> Il giorno 11/nov/2015, alle ore 23:00, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> ha scritto:
>
> Wow .. this is pathetic … the change was not too important but it is actually not
> the first time it happens. Funny thing is that at ApacheConEU I met some nice
> people from this company that wanted to hire OpenOffice developers.
>
> Some people see AOO as a test to see if permissive licenses are better or
> worse than copyleft. The truth is that the practice of draining contributions from
> the competition by whatever means is the type of dirtiness that free software
> was meant to fight. Of course the FSF is also against AOO from the start so
> we will not get any sympathy there.
>
> Let me state this openly for those unaware: there are dark powers in play that
> want Apache OpenOffice as a project, as a product, and as a community to fail.
> It is not a coincidence that a redhat employee was openly asking to kill this
> project (for some issue with his mom - really).
>
> In this case, the contest, if someone still looks at it like that, is not about who
> has a better license/policy or about the capacity of the ASF to nurture and
> sustain big projects: this was always about deep pockets wanting to control
> a product. Business as usual, so to speak.
>
> It’s sad in a certain sense, but AOO will keep on as long as it continues
> to be useful for people independently of the games other communities
> play.
>
> Pedro.
>
>
>
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Re: r1712824 withdrawn by committer.
Posted by da...@flossconsulting.it.
The question is: can a committer revoke the Apache License from a
contribute?
I expect yes, but it still can be used, because revocation should apply
for the future and not for the past.
Davide
Il 2015-11-12 05:00 Pedro Giffuni ha scritto:
> Wow .. this is pathetic … the change was not too important but it is
> actually not
> the first time it happens. Funny thing is that at ApacheConEU I met
> some nice
> people from this company that wanted to hire OpenOffice developers.
>
> Some people see AOO as a test to see if permissive licenses are better
> or
> worse than copyleft. The truth is that the practice of draining
> contributions from
> the competition by whatever means is the type of dirtiness that free
> software
> was meant to fight. Of course the FSF is also against AOO from the
> start so
> we will not get any sympathy there.
>
> Let me state this openly for those unaware: there are dark powers in
> play that
> want Apache OpenOffice as a project, as a product, and as a community
> to fail.
> It is not a coincidence that a redhat employee was openly asking to
> kill this
> project (for some issue with his mom - really).
>
> In this case, the contest, if someone still looks at it like that, is
> not about who
> has a better license/policy or about the capacity of the ASF to nurture
> and
> sustain big projects: this was always about deep pockets wanting to
> control
> a product. Business as usual, so to speak.
>
> It’s sad in a certain sense, but AOO will keep on as long as it
> continues
> to be useful for people independently of the games other communities
> play.
>
> Pedro.
>
>
>
>
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Re: r1712824 withdrawn by committer.
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
We can see this a different way. If a developer wants to contribute to Apache OpenOffice then the only clear place is here and under the Apace License.
I call that software freedom.
Regards,
Dave
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> On Nov 11, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Wow .. this is pathetic … the change was not too important but it is actually not
> the first time it happens. Funny thing is that at ApacheConEU I met some nice
> people from this company that wanted to hire OpenOffice developers.
>
> Some people see AOO as a test to see if permissive licenses are better or
> worse than copyleft. The truth is that the practice of draining contributions from
> the competition by whatever means is the type of dirtiness that free software
> was meant to fight. Of course the FSF is also against AOO from the start so
> we will not get any sympathy there.
>
> Let me state this openly for those unaware: there are dark powers in play that
> want Apache OpenOffice as a project, as a product, and as a community to fail.
> It is not a coincidence that a redhat employee was openly asking to kill this
> project (for some issue with his mom - really).
>
> In this case, the contest, if someone still looks at it like that, is not about who
> has a better license/policy or about the capacity of the ASF to nurture and
> sustain big projects: this was always about deep pockets wanting to control
> a product. Business as usual, so to speak.
>
> It’s sad in a certain sense, but AOO will keep on as long as it continues
> to be useful for people independently of the games other communities
> play.
>
> Pedro.
>
>
>
>
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