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Posted to dev@training.apache.org by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> on 2023/03/13 16:10:25 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Hey,
I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
Cheers,
Mirko
Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
15:46:
> Hi all,
>
> So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
>
> There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
>
> What do you folks think?
>
> Chris
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
since yesterday I have access to edit the Wiki Page. Thanks to Lars for
your support. The report will be added this Weekend.
I look forward to another spring for this project.
Currently I write a proposal for next steps in Q2 and Q3 to reanimate the
project.
I will share this end of next week.
This is my quick pre-easter-break update.
Please give us some more time for the onboarding of new ideas and new
contributors.
Happy easter!
Cheers,
Mirko
Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Fr., 7. Apr. 2023,
09:32:
> Hi all,
>
> Well, it’s reporting time again and I’m not seeing anything happening here.
> So, I guess I will not start a vote on retirement, but I will instead step
> down as Mentor.
>
> I usually have a maximum of 3 podlings in order to be sure I can spend
> enough time on each.
> This podling has effectively been doing nothing for the past years and I
> would rather invest my time on podlings that need guidance.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> Datum: Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 07:59
> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Betreff: AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
> Hi Shane,
>
> just yesterday I did my usual bumping and updating of our internal tools,
> and I even added a draft of a new presentation on “The ASF” ... happy to
> collaborate. For that I “translated” a German presentation we were giving
> during my time at codecentric when we were doing our Apache Roadshow to
> explain what the ASF is and how it works. I replaced all static images with
> generated ones and updated the numbers.
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Shane Curcuru <cu...@apache.org>
> Datum: Dienstag, 21. März 2023 um 11:31
> An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
> Glad to hear folks are still interested in the project, since I just
> recently freed up some time to work on better documentation/explainers.
> I've also realized over the years that doing small chunks of topics is much
> easier to actually accomplish than trying to get the whole beautiful giant
> slide deck done...
>
> Hoping there's energy here long enough for me to get involved with content!
>
> - Shane
> ASF Member
>
> On 2023/03/13 16:10:25 Mirko Kämpf wrote:
> > Hey,
> > I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> > the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mirko
> >
> > Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März
> 2023,
> > 15:46:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> > >
> > > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest
> that
> > > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them
> to a
> > > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3
> podlings
> > > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> > >
> > > What do you folks think?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
>
AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi all,
Well, it’s reporting time again and I’m not seeing anything happening here.
So, I guess I will not start a vote on retirement, but I will instead step down as Mentor.
I usually have a maximum of 3 podlings in order to be sure I can spend enough time on each.
This podling has effectively been doing nothing for the past years and I would rather invest my time on podlings that need guidance.
Chris
Von: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
Datum: Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 07:59
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Hi Shane,
just yesterday I did my usual bumping and updating of our internal tools, and I even added a draft of a new presentation on “The ASF” ... happy to collaborate. For that I “translated” a German presentation we were giving during my time at codecentric when we were doing our Apache Roadshow to explain what the ASF is and how it works. I replaced all static images with generated ones and updated the numbers.
Chris
Von: Shane Curcuru <cu...@apache.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 21. März 2023 um 11:31
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Glad to hear folks are still interested in the project, since I just recently freed up some time to work on better documentation/explainers. I've also realized over the years that doing small chunks of topics is much easier to actually accomplish than trying to get the whole beautiful giant slide deck done...
Hoping there's energy here long enough for me to get involved with content!
- Shane
ASF Member
On 2023/03/13 16:10:25 Mirko Kämpf wrote:
> Hey,
> I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
> 15:46:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
AW: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Shane,
just yesterday I did my usual bumping and updating of our internal tools, and I even added a draft of a new presentation on “The ASF” ... happy to collaborate. For that I “translated” a German presentation we were giving during my time at codecentric when we were doing our Apache Roadshow to explain what the ASF is and how it works. I replaced all static images with generated ones and updated the numbers.
Chris
Von: Shane Curcuru <cu...@apache.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 21. März 2023 um 11:31
An: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Glad to hear folks are still interested in the project, since I just recently freed up some time to work on better documentation/explainers. I've also realized over the years that doing small chunks of topics is much easier to actually accomplish than trying to get the whole beautiful giant slide deck done...
Hoping there's energy here long enough for me to get involved with content!
- Shane
ASF Member
On 2023/03/13 16:10:25 Mirko Kämpf wrote:
> Hey,
> I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
> 15:46:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Shane Curcuru <cu...@apache.org>.
Glad to hear folks are still interested in the project, since I just recently freed up some time to work on better documentation/explainers. I've also realized over the years that doing small chunks of topics is much easier to actually accomplish than trying to get the whole beautiful giant slide deck done...
Hoping there's energy here long enough for me to get involved with content!
- Shane
ASF Member
On 2023/03/13 16:10:25 Mirko Kämpf wrote:
> Hey,
> I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
> 15:46:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Apache Training?
Posted by Ryan Skraba <ry...@skraba.com>.
Hello!
I think the idea of the Training project is *sound*, and the reusable
slide deck resources are pretty good... but I've had some trouble
getting my own concrete contributions in order.
My (shared) presentation at ApacheCon in New Orleans last year[1] was
done with the Apache Training base deck, but getting it in shape for
contribution to the repo keeps getting pushed down my to do list.
It's kind of a vicious cycle, because it doesn't get any easier as
time goes on.
It seems that we didn't capture the attention of our target audience
of "course instructors of Apache projects". Mirko, I'd be interested
to hear if you come up with some ideas for reviving some of the
enthusiasm around the project, and probably more motivated to finish
my bit of work!
In the case where the project is retired, I'd love to see a good home
to maintain the reusable slide module (even if its outside the ASF).
All my best, Ryan
[1]: https://slides.skraba.com/dive-into-avro/index_en.html
On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 5:11 PM Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
> I have planned a chat on that topic on Thursday. I am happy to jump into
> the topic and together we may be able to reactivate the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Mirko
>
> Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2023,
> 15:46:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, as it seems to be a problem to even get the simplest things going
> > here, I would like to propose that we retire the Podling.
> >
> > There doesn’t seem to be a great interest in it (at least an interest that
> > would result in action) so we should free the resources and give them to a
> > podling that could actually use them (I personally only mentor 3 podlings
> > in parallel and Training is needlessly consuming one of these slots)
> >
> > What do you folks think?
> >
> > Chris
> >