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DO NOT REPLY [Bug 118748] New: accessibility - High Contrast Mode
enabled by default makes dark themes unusable
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118748
Bug #: 118748
Issue Type: DEFECT
Summary: accessibility - High Contrast Mode enabled by default
makes dark themes unusable
Classification: Application
Product: Word processor
Version: OOo 3.4 Beta
Platform: PC
OS/Version: Linux
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Severity: normal
Priority: P5
Component: configuration
AssignedTo: writerneedsconfirm@openoffice.org
ReportedBy: drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com
CC: ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org
Created attachment 77114
--> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=77114
Shows default "Negative" color scheme for AOO if dark desktop theme used
Devs,
AOO 3.4 beta on Arch Linux i686.
The Tools->Options->Accessibility "Automatically detect high contrast mode of
operating system" causes dark themes to show a "Negative" color scheme (white
text on black background) and prevents changing the icon theme in openoffice.
(see screenshot)
With more and more dark themes, 3.4 should be able to properly handle them
without causing the funky negative color scheme to be set by default. Regarless
of the color scheme, the install should provide a default of black text on
white document background. Further, when a high-contrast theme is detected, it
should NOT lock the icon-theme to hight contrast. Regardless of the desktop
color scheme used by the user, the user should still be able to set their
preferred icon-theme without having to manually hunt down and find the obscure
setting under the "Accessibility" dialog.
So far, 3.4 beta looks pretty good on Linux too. Great job. Now let's squash
bugs...
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DO NOT REPLY [Bug 118748] accessibility - High Contrast Mode enabled
by default makes dark themes unusable
Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118748
--- Comment #2 from David Rankin <dr...@suddenlinkmail.com> 2012-01-11 21:54:27 UTC ---
I don't know what the "Automatically detect high contrast mode of
operating system" setting is supposed to do to begin with. I have used light
themes, dark themes, on kde, gnome, fluxbox, windowmaker, enlightenment, etc..
and I have never seen a reason for it. My experience for the past several years
on SuSE/openSuSE and ArchLinux is that this automatic setting has caused
nothing but problems.
I think the correct way to rethink it is to ask the question "Regardless of the
desktop color theme, how many users are ever going to want something other than
black text on a white background for the OO apps?" I think the answer is near
zero. Even for those users that do use a dark theme (like me), they still want
black text on a white background for word processing, spreadsheets, and
presentations. In over 24 years of GUI computing (recall Cricket Graph?), I
cannot recall a single instance where I would want anything other than black on
white as a default starting document.
Further, we still print in a black and white world. Presentations are about the
only thing where a colored background is desired -- and even in that case, the
color is largely handled by different templates applied by the user, not as a
default color scheme set by the office suite.
Regardless, I agree that this needs re-thinking. KISS is a good philosophy. The
more you can get away from the suite trying to 'out think' the user with this
kind of 'default' issue, the fewer problems you will have after the 3.4
release.
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[Issue 118748] accessibility - High Contrast Mode enabled by default
makes dark themes unusable
Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118748
Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> changed:
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DO NOT REPLY [Bug 118748] accessibility - High Contrast Mode enabled
by default makes dark themes unusable
Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118748
--- Comment #1 from T. J. Frazier <tj...@apache.org> 2012-01-11 12:37:02 UTC ---
As currently implemented, this *definitely* should not be set by default (but
it is, in 3.4 Beta). As stated above, it can become a major PITA.
We need some rethinking here, preferably with input from some of those who need
this option. We want to make life easy for them, but not hard for others.
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[Bug 118748] accessibility - High Contrast Mode enabled by default
makes dark themes unusable
Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118748
David Rankin <dr...@suddenlinkmail.com> changed:
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Keywords|needmoreinfo |accessibility, usability
--- Comment #4 from David Rankin <dr...@suddenlinkmail.com> ---
If I recall correctly, the theme is BlueNight-II by LaGaDesk (on DeviantArt)
The link is:
http://lagadesk.deviantart.com/art/LaGaDesk-BlueNight-GTK-1-0-1-153675007
When it (high contrast - on by default) is checked, if using a dark theme, then
it makes your writing window and the contents (in writer, calc, etc.) show
light text (table lines, all writing aids) on a black background AND it locks
the OO icon them to "High-Contrast" preventing the user from selecting any of
the other icon themes.
Take a look at the attachment:
Shows default "Negative" color scheme for AOO if dark desktop theme used
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=77114
This shows exactly what I'm talking about. It took hours of research and
mailing list traffic to find the obscure The Tools->Options->Accessibility
"Automatically detect high contrast mode of operating system" option to be able
to finally get a usable interface to work with.
At the very least, this option should NOT be enabled by default. Secondly,
since it does not work as intended, it should either be fixed or completely
removed. If the user wants something other than a white work area, then they
are free to change the colors as they see fit. However, this setting should not
be a "hidden trap" in OpenOffice that catches users of a dark desktop them and
forces a black background with light text on them and locks the icon theme
preventing them from selecting something other than High Contrast icons for the
OpenOffice applications.
Every user that has a dark theme falls into this trap and must go through the
same frustrating search to finally learn that it is an "Accessibility" setting,
on by default, that has screwed up their working area interface.
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[Bug 118748] accessibility - High Contrast Mode enabled by default
makes dark themes unusable
Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118748
Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Keywords| |needmoreinfo
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--- Comment #3 from Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> ---
What is the OS theme?
What is the observed difference between "Automatically detect high contrast
mode of operating system" checked and unchecked?
PS here is a user wanting something other than black text on a white
background:
bug 108130
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