Steps twords graduations

["William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>]

FYI

I'm very satisfied with the overall progress of stdcxx, but see two
obstacles to graduation;

  * the bug tracking system is being well utilized to discuss patches,
    but the dev list is still a bit quiet on the design-decision front.
    It's important that decisions are open and not made in the conference
    room amoung a closed circle of individuals.

    I believe adding tuscany folks to this effort, having a more diverse
    group of committers, will go a long ways to alleviating this quiet :)

  * the diversity remains an issue.  Here again, having multiple groups of
    users who submit patches, become committers will go a long way in solving
    this issue as well.

Although open source is ready when it's ready, I'd really like to look ahead
to the end of September to attempt to graduate stdcxx.  I know the current
PMC understands the ASF concept, meritocracy etc, and is doing a noble job
maintaining the codebase.  Let's all watch these two areas so that we can
retitle this effort as the Apache stdcxx Library [graduated].

Bill

Re: Steps twords graduations

[Martin Sebor <se...@roguewave.com>]

William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> FYI
> 
> I'm very satisfied with the overall progress of stdcxx, but see two
> obstacles to graduation;

Thanks for your feedback, Bill!

> 
>  * the bug tracking system is being well utilized to discuss patches,
>    but the dev list is still a bit quiet on the design-decision front.
>    It's important that decisions are open and not made in the conference
>    room amoung a closed circle of individuals.

We have been using the -dev list exclusively (i.e., there are no
closed meetings). I suspect the reason why you haven't seen more
design discussions on the list is because we have been spending
all our time on migrating and enhancing the test suite and not
really designing or implementing any major new library features.
I am hoping this'll change soon :)

>  * the diversity remains an issue.  Here again, having multiple groups of
>    users who submit patches, become committers will go a long way in 
> solving
>    this issue as well.

Yes, we're acutely aware of it. In my opinion a mature, low-level
project such as an implementation of the C++ Standard Library is
much less likely to attract the same crowd of contributors than
a new exciting project such as Tuscany. Note that all the other
implementations of the library, both Open Source and commercial,
are being maintained by no more than a handful of people at most).
That being said, I and the rest of the stdcxx community are trying
hard to attract new contributors and will continue to work on it.
I think it's a realistic goal to shoot for 4 active independent
committers (suggestions for how we might be able to increase
our chances of finding them are always welcome :) I'm not sure
what a realistic and acceptable time frame to get to that goal
is.

> 
> Although open source is ready when it's ready, I'd really like to look 
> ahead
> to the end of September to attempt to graduate stdcxx.  I know the current
> PMC understands the ASF concept, meritocracy etc, and is doing a noble job
> maintaining the codebase.  Let's all watch these two areas so that we can
> retitle this effort as the Apache stdcxx Library [graduated].

It remains our number of one objective.

FWIW, in the next release of SourcePro Rogue Wave is planning to
switch from releasing the Rogue Wave C++ Standard Library (which
is already mostly in sync with Apache stdcxx [incubating]) to
shipping Apache stdcxx. We're hoping that the switch will provide
even more of an incentive for our existing customers to participate
in the project. The preliminary time-frame for the next SourcePro
release is end of 2006 or early 2007.

Thanks again.
Martin

Re: Steps twords graduations

[Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>]

On 7/6/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>     I believe adding tuscany folks to this effort, having a more diverse
>     group of committers, will go a long ways to alleviating this quiet :)

Out of curiousity, what's the overlap with Tuscany?

>   * the diversity remains an issue.  Here again, having multiple groups of
>     users who submit patches, become committers will go a long way in solving
>     this issue as well.

I think it is slowly attracting outsiders.

> Although open source is ready when it's ready, I'd really like to look ahead
> to the end of September to attempt to graduate stdcxx.  I know the current
> PMC understands the ASF concept, meritocracy etc, and is doing a noble job
> maintaining the codebase.  Let's all watch these two areas so that we can
> retitle this effort as the Apache stdcxx Library [graduated].

+1.  -- justin

Re: Steps twords graduations

[Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>]

On 7/6/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>     I believe adding tuscany folks to this effort, having a more diverse
>     group of committers, will go a long ways to alleviating this quiet :)

Out of curiousity, what's the overlap with Tuscany?

>   * the diversity remains an issue.  Here again, having multiple groups of
>     users who submit patches, become committers will go a long way in solving
>     this issue as well.

I think it is slowly attracting outsiders.

> Although open source is ready when it's ready, I'd really like to look ahead
> to the end of September to attempt to graduate stdcxx.  I know the current
> PMC understands the ASF concept, meritocracy etc, and is doing a noble job
> maintaining the codebase.  Let's all watch these two areas so that we can
> retitle this effort as the Apache stdcxx Library [graduated].

+1.  -- justin

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