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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> on 2009/06/05 14:54:22 UTC
[friday] training for Struts 2
Hello fellow-struts-ers,
I have been toying with the notion of hosting a struts training, but
I'm not convinced that it is a good business move for me. I am
wondering about a few things and figured who better to ask than the
community... Questions / Discussion Topics -
1.) I'm in Ohio, US, so naturally this is where I would want to host
it, but I'm not sure if there would be enough interest to get people
to actually fly here. I have been working out of Dayton which has a
large airport and plenty of hotels (that I could probably work out a
deal on a discount), is that enough or is there another area (SF, NY)
where I might be better off traveling myself to host something.
2.) What topics would you guys pay to learn? I think there are a few
what I would call basic struts2 trainings available I've seen... If I
(as one of the committers) were to host a training, would basic be
okay, or would you guys want something more advanced? If so, what sort
of topics would you guys want to see?
3.) How should I advertise something like this? Obviously there are
google keywords and an announce list (I think there is an announce
list), but I think there are more than a few large-ish companies using
Struts 2 or WebWork and I would want to reach into there and I don't
think a lot of those users don't participate in the mailing lists,
etc.
4.) Training format... I've been to training in classrooms where all I
had was a notebook (actual paper, not laptop/notebook) and other
trainings in classrooms with PCs. For a Struts training, which would
people prefer?
Anyhow, I'm invoking the lazy friday and hopefully no one gets too
angry about my off-topic spam.
-Wes
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RE: [friday] training for Struts 2
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
15$ barely covers cost of printing the materials unless of course its subsidised
I could see a rampup free (for example)
15$ for 15 min discusssion on what MVC is
plugins
30$ for 30 min jquery
30$ for 30 min spring..
The heart of Struts
45$ for 45 min on introduction to xwork interceptors
45$ for 45 min on use of Dojo tags
you would also need to control access ..you cant have hacking in for 'freebies' in which case you would wind up losing money..so this would have to be SSL thru and thru..certs from CAs cost money (but in the end if you get it back its justified)
and as my disclaimer demonstrates you would need translations to german, french..maybe mandarin localisations..we have a large hindi, arabic and farsi local population that would need translation as well?
makes sense?
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> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:19:27 -0700
> From: bphillips@ku.edu
> To: user@struts.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [friday] training for Struts 2
>
>
> Wes
>
> Recommend online training. I work at University of Kansas. We use Struts 2
> in many of our Java web applications. I think online training would be
> easier to get approved in this difficult economy.
>
> A basic and advanced course would be good. I also think some 60-90 minute
> modules on a focused topic (eg integrate Spring and Struts 2) for a
> relatively low cost ($15) would be useful. I know that I'd pay $15 for a
> short class that is going to save me hours of learning something on my own.
> Often I'm put on a project where the previous development team used some
> technology that I wasn't familiar with and I'd have to do quite a bit of
> research to get myself up-to-speed.
>
> These 60-90 minute modules can be pre-recorded eLearning sessions with PDF
> notes and example code students can download.
>
> To help attract learners, you could also offer 30 days email support for
> people who take the module (though that might lead to a lot of "can you fix
> my Struts 2, Hibernate, Spring application...")
>
> You may want to research using Adobe's Acrobat Connect Pro and eLearning. I
> did some online training with an instructor who used those tools and it
> worked very well.
>
> Bruce
>
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Re: [friday] training for Struts 2
Posted by phillips1021 <bp...@ku.edu>.
Wes
Recommend online training. I work at University of Kansas. We use Struts 2
in many of our Java web applications. I think online training would be
easier to get approved in this difficult economy.
A basic and advanced course would be good. I also think some 60-90 minute
modules on a focused topic (eg integrate Spring and Struts 2) for a
relatively low cost ($15) would be useful. I know that I'd pay $15 for a
short class that is going to save me hours of learning something on my own.
Often I'm put on a project where the previous development team used some
technology that I wasn't familiar with and I'd have to do quite a bit of
research to get myself up-to-speed.
These 60-90 minute modules can be pre-recorded eLearning sessions with PDF
notes and example code students can download.
To help attract learners, you could also offer 30 days email support for
people who take the module (though that might lead to a lot of "can you fix
my Struts 2, Hibernate, Spring application...")
You may want to research using Adobe's Acrobat Connect Pro and eLearning. I
did some online training with an instructor who used those tools and it
worked very well.
Bruce
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Re: [friday] training for Struts 2
Posted by Bhaarat Sharma <bh...@gmail.com>.
I also second the online training course.
Adding to what scott said, I think you can start with screen casts as well.
You can provide basic free screen casts for free and then charge money for
advanced topics.
You should look at Rail Casts by Ryan Bates: http://railscasts.com/
-bhaarat
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> good idea scott
>
> one option is to use Backboard
> http://www.blackboard.com/Teaching-Learning/Overview.aspx
> (University of Cincinatti uses this for the online courses)
> I taught a course way back 00-01 using their WebCT product
> this is an excellent and more cost-effective alternative for busy
> professionals
>
> the problem i see are folks who get busy schedules and miss a few classes
> so they're playing catchup (while those who attend all classes stay right
> on track)
>
> the other scenario is getting paid..you need a strict policy of paying
> upfront
>
> feel free to ping me offline for setting this up!
> Martin Gainty
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> > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:11:19 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [friday] training for Struts 2
> > From: stanlick@gmail.com
> > To: user@struts.apache.org
> >
> > Hey Wes --
> >
> > Travel and paper is so 80's bro. Have you considered an online format?
> I
> > think a five day session where 2-3 are basics and the remaining 2-3 are
> > advanced topics would be flexible. This way you could price the two
> > separately and allow clients one or both enrollments. As far as course
> > materials goes, I think S2iA and your S2iP would be great resources, and
> > hey, they are already written and have labs! The marketing piece is
> outside
> > my area of expertise. I was a corporate trainer for several years and
> would
> > be interested in pair-teaching with you if this pans out.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello fellow-struts-ers,
> > >
> > > I have been toying with the notion of hosting a struts training, but
> > > I'm not convinced that it is a good business move for me. I am
> > > wondering about a few things and figured who better to ask than the
> > > community... Questions / Discussion Topics -
> > >
> > > 1.) I'm in Ohio, US, so naturally this is where I would want to host
> > > it, but I'm not sure if there would be enough interest to get people
> > > to actually fly here. I have been working out of Dayton which has a
> > > large airport and plenty of hotels (that I could probably work out a
> > > deal on a discount), is that enough or is there another area (SF, NY)
> > > where I might be better off traveling myself to host something.
> > >
> > > 2.) What topics would you guys pay to learn? I think there are a few
> > > what I would call basic struts2 trainings available I've seen... If I
> > > (as one of the committers) were to host a training, would basic be
> > > okay, or would you guys want something more advanced? If so, what sort
> > > of topics would you guys want to see?
> > >
> > > 3.) How should I advertise something like this? Obviously there are
> > > google keywords and an announce list (I think there is an announce
> > > list), but I think there are more than a few large-ish companies using
> > > Struts 2 or WebWork and I would want to reach into there and I don't
> > > think a lot of those users don't participate in the mailing lists,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > 4.) Training format... I've been to training in classrooms where all I
> > > had was a notebook (actual paper, not laptop/notebook) and other
> > > trainings in classrooms with PCs. For a Struts training, which would
> > > people prefer?
> > >
> > > Anyhow, I'm invoking the lazy friday and hopefully no one gets too
> > > angry about my off-topic spam.
> > >
> > > -Wes
> > >
> > > --
> > > Wes Wannemacher
> > > Author - Struts 2 In Practice
> > > Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
> > > http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
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RE: [friday] training for Struts 2
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
good idea scott
one option is to use Backboard
http://www.blackboard.com/Teaching-Learning/Overview.aspx
(University of Cincinatti uses this for the online courses)
I taught a course way back 00-01 using their WebCT product
this is an excellent and more cost-effective alternative for busy professionals
the problem i see are folks who get busy schedules and miss a few classes
so they're playing catchup (while those who attend all classes stay right on track)
the other scenario is getting paid..you need a strict policy of paying upfront
feel free to ping me offline for setting this up!
Martin Gainty
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> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:11:19 -0500
> Subject: Re: [friday] training for Struts 2
> From: stanlick@gmail.com
> To: user@struts.apache.org
>
> Hey Wes --
>
> Travel and paper is so 80's bro. Have you considered an online format? I
> think a five day session where 2-3 are basics and the remaining 2-3 are
> advanced topics would be flexible. This way you could price the two
> separately and allow clients one or both enrollments. As far as course
> materials goes, I think S2iA and your S2iP would be great resources, and
> hey, they are already written and have labs! The marketing piece is outside
> my area of expertise. I was a corporate trainer for several years and would
> be interested in pair-teaching with you if this pans out.
>
> Peace,
> Scott
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello fellow-struts-ers,
> >
> > I have been toying with the notion of hosting a struts training, but
> > I'm not convinced that it is a good business move for me. I am
> > wondering about a few things and figured who better to ask than the
> > community... Questions / Discussion Topics -
> >
> > 1.) I'm in Ohio, US, so naturally this is where I would want to host
> > it, but I'm not sure if there would be enough interest to get people
> > to actually fly here. I have been working out of Dayton which has a
> > large airport and plenty of hotels (that I could probably work out a
> > deal on a discount), is that enough or is there another area (SF, NY)
> > where I might be better off traveling myself to host something.
> >
> > 2.) What topics would you guys pay to learn? I think there are a few
> > what I would call basic struts2 trainings available I've seen... If I
> > (as one of the committers) were to host a training, would basic be
> > okay, or would you guys want something more advanced? If so, what sort
> > of topics would you guys want to see?
> >
> > 3.) How should I advertise something like this? Obviously there are
> > google keywords and an announce list (I think there is an announce
> > list), but I think there are more than a few large-ish companies using
> > Struts 2 or WebWork and I would want to reach into there and I don't
> > think a lot of those users don't participate in the mailing lists,
> > etc.
> >
> > 4.) Training format... I've been to training in classrooms where all I
> > had was a notebook (actual paper, not laptop/notebook) and other
> > trainings in classrooms with PCs. For a Struts training, which would
> > people prefer?
> >
> > Anyhow, I'm invoking the lazy friday and hopefully no one gets too
> > angry about my off-topic spam.
> >
> > -Wes
> >
> > --
> > Wes Wannemacher
> > Author - Struts 2 In Practice
> > Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
> > http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
> >
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Re: [friday] training for Struts 2
Posted by st...@gmail.com.
Hey Wes --
Travel and paper is so 80's bro. Have you considered an online format? I
think a five day session where 2-3 are basics and the remaining 2-3 are
advanced topics would be flexible. This way you could price the two
separately and allow clients one or both enrollments. As far as course
materials goes, I think S2iA and your S2iP would be great resources, and
hey, they are already written and have labs! The marketing piece is outside
my area of expertise. I was a corporate trainer for several years and would
be interested in pair-teaching with you if this pans out.
Peace,
Scott
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
> Hello fellow-struts-ers,
>
> I have been toying with the notion of hosting a struts training, but
> I'm not convinced that it is a good business move for me. I am
> wondering about a few things and figured who better to ask than the
> community... Questions / Discussion Topics -
>
> 1.) I'm in Ohio, US, so naturally this is where I would want to host
> it, but I'm not sure if there would be enough interest to get people
> to actually fly here. I have been working out of Dayton which has a
> large airport and plenty of hotels (that I could probably work out a
> deal on a discount), is that enough or is there another area (SF, NY)
> where I might be better off traveling myself to host something.
>
> 2.) What topics would you guys pay to learn? I think there are a few
> what I would call basic struts2 trainings available I've seen... If I
> (as one of the committers) were to host a training, would basic be
> okay, or would you guys want something more advanced? If so, what sort
> of topics would you guys want to see?
>
> 3.) How should I advertise something like this? Obviously there are
> google keywords and an announce list (I think there is an announce
> list), but I think there are more than a few large-ish companies using
> Struts 2 or WebWork and I would want to reach into there and I don't
> think a lot of those users don't participate in the mailing lists,
> etc.
>
> 4.) Training format... I've been to training in classrooms where all I
> had was a notebook (actual paper, not laptop/notebook) and other
> trainings in classrooms with PCs. For a Struts training, which would
> people prefer?
>
> Anyhow, I'm invoking the lazy friday and hopefully no one gets too
> angry about my off-topic spam.
>
> -Wes
>
> --
> Wes Wannemacher
> Author - Struts 2 In Practice
> Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
> http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
>
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RE: [friday] training for Struts 2
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
only if musachy and dave will be there!
BTW: Dayton can be hotter than Florida in summertime
<hint>then again Dayton Marriott has a REALLY nice pool</hint>
i live in northeast factory town that looks like the setting for "tommy boy"
i'll arrive with my one suit carefully packed in a glad-trashbag and duct-tape
anyone?
Martin Gainty
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> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:54:22 -0400
> Subject: [friday] training for Struts 2
> From: wesw@wantii.com
> To: user@struts.apache.org
>
> Hello fellow-struts-ers,
>
> I have been toying with the notion of hosting a struts training, but
> I'm not convinced that it is a good business move for me. I am
> wondering about a few things and figured who better to ask than the
> community... Questions / Discussion Topics -
>
> 1.) I'm in Ohio, US, so naturally this is where I would want to host
> it, but I'm not sure if there would be enough interest to get people
> to actually fly here. I have been working out of Dayton which has a
> large airport and plenty of hotels (that I could probably work out a
> deal on a discount), is that enough or is there another area (SF, NY)
> where I might be better off traveling myself to host something.
>
> 2.) What topics would you guys pay to learn? I think there are a few
> what I would call basic struts2 trainings available I've seen... If I
> (as one of the committers) were to host a training, would basic be
> okay, or would you guys want something more advanced? If so, what sort
> of topics would you guys want to see?
>
> 3.) How should I advertise something like this? Obviously there are
> google keywords and an announce list (I think there is an announce
> list), but I think there are more than a few large-ish companies using
> Struts 2 or WebWork and I would want to reach into there and I don't
> think a lot of those users don't participate in the mailing lists,
> etc.
>
> 4.) Training format... I've been to training in classrooms where all I
> had was a notebook (actual paper, not laptop/notebook) and other
> trainings in classrooms with PCs. For a Struts training, which would
> people prefer?
>
> Anyhow, I'm invoking the lazy friday and hopefully no one gets too
> angry about my off-topic spam.
>
> -Wes
>
> --
> Wes Wannemacher
> Author - Struts 2 In Practice
> Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
> http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
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