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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> on 2014/08/03 18:27:26 UTC
Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
On 07/30/2014 02:00 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 07/30/2014 10:50 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>
>>
>> On 07/30/2014 01:44 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>> Am 07/30/2014 08:51 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07/30/2014 11:05 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>> Am 07/28/2014 09:43 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>>> Am 07/28/2014 07:07 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 07/28/2014 01:05 AM, Tal Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Kay Schenk<ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 07/26/2014 10:16 PM, Tal Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Don't you think this page should exist elsewhere, not on the
>>>>>>>>>> site?
>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> openoffice.apache.org> native language section? It's feels as a
>>>>>>>>>> status
>>>>>>>>>> page, rather than a page for visitors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it's just where it is for historical purposes, and I see
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> point. We can move it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, my "new" version is at:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even after I suggested it, I'm not sure I'm 100% happy with my
>>>>>>>>> simpler
>>>>>>>>> definitions. See the definition for "maintained". The download
>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>> from these pages work, but some are NOT to a localized download
>>>>>>>>> due to
>>>>>>>>> editing (by me some weeks ago) to at least get them to some
>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>> download area. :/ So, what to do with these gray areas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nonactive/non-maintained websites will, eventually, be removed
>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>> language selection box;a call for volunteers is also
>>>>>>>> appropriate, in
>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>> to revive such a website (another column?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> choosing the language from the drop-down-box is a fast and cheap
>>>>>> way to
>>>>>> come to unmaintained webpages that have the large hint (we have to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> this sure) to help to get it complete again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I think it would not be good to delete it from the selection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, I just changed the definitions slightly and corrected some
>>>>>>> errors
>>>>>>> I'd made in assessment yesterday as well. This needs another pair of
>>>>>>> eyes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> again, at:
>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we should take the content (current or outdated) and the
>>>>>> work on
>>>>>> it (maintained or help wanted) into account? With this we can say,
>>>>>> e.g.,
>>>>>> "outdated + maintained". This means that the content is old but
>>>>>> there is
>>>>>> someone who is working on updates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here my further idea:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> current The website is OK and needs no help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> outdated The website has old content and needs to be updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maintained Someone is already actively working on the website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> help wanted Volunteers are welcome to help updating the website.
>>>>>
>>>>> the discussion about formatting is all fine and all good. But without
>>>>> content is doesn't matter, right? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please can we first finalize the content. Then we can beautifying the
>>>>> webpage step by step.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>> That would be nice! :)
Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
maintained -> current, and current -> maintained so these are one in the
same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
In a similar fashion, outdated -> unmaintained -> help wanted.
So why not just call it "unmaintained" and provide some further
explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the table.
Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
understanding of this page simpler for everybody.
>>>>
>>>> I just put the page with the changes I made recently into production
>>>> at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>
>>>> so it should be easy for others to make further changes.
>>>
>>> thats not what I wanted. IMHO we haven't finished our discussion about
>>> status (and maybe further content).
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>
>> Well I will not be the least bit upset if you revert this change.
>
> ahm no ;-) What I meant is, we were in the discussion of the status, I
> made a further suggestion (see above: current, outdated, maintained and
> help wanted) and then it turnd into how to style the text.
>
> I just want to get the discussion back to the topic as IMHO we have not
> an agreed text.
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 9/6/14, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 03/08/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>
> I see work on this has stopped, but the page was rather OK and a good
> replacement for
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
I never got any final approval on the sortable table, the js is there,
is just about connecting it. The same can be said to the font awesome.
>
>> Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
>> maintained -> current, and current -> maintained so these are one in the
>> same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
>> In a similar fashion, outdated -> unmaintained -> help wanted.
>
> "Help wanted" is much clearer to people who are casually scanning the
> page and who are, in most cases, not native English speakers. So I tried
> to implement that. Similarly, I changed "Distribution" into "OpenOffice
> availability" since I find it clearer for non-native speakers.
>
>> So why not just call it "unmaintained" and provide some further
>> explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the
>> table.
>
> I completed the table with the recommended workflow for updating a
> translation.
>
>> Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
>> understanding of this page simpler for everybody.
>
> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
> the old native-lang.html with this one?
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Kay for link. I saw your changes.
Regards,
Wlada
2014-09-08 0:35 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>:
>
>
> On 09/07/2014 03:11 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> > By the way, I want to update "Home" page, that looks like in English
> > version. To do this, I need English version of that page. Where I can get
> > it?
> > Regards,
> > Wlada
>
> The templates in English can be found from:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/xx/
>
> so you may want index.html from this area?
>
> Also see the readme.txt from this area.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > 2014-09-08 0:02 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic <
> > stevanovicvladislav@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >>> The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
> >>> to product packaging, not the site.
> >>
> >> Well, you can download AOO 4.1.1 from Serbain-latn site:
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/download/
> >> About Serbian-cyrl and Sebrian-latn, it is the one language, with two
> >> different orthography.
> >> For now, the problem is how cyrilic version, with some apropriate code,
> >> transform in latinic version (transliteration is what is necessary).
> >>
> >> Regards, Wlada
>
> This is changed now...
>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-09-07 23:45 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 09/07/2014 02:24 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am translator of Serbian site of AOO. In
> >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
> >>>> there is for Serbian-latn site marked as outdated. Question: what is
> the
> >>>> criterias for this
> >>>> judgment?
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Wlada
> >>>
> >>> The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
> >>> to product packaging, not the site. In other words, we do not have an
> >>> sr-latn language release. Is this confusing? Should we use a different
> >>> term at the top of that column?
> >>>
> >>> You can see that under "website" it says maintained, of which you are
> >>> doing an excellent job.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2014-09-07 17:41 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 06/09/2014 Marcus wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we
> replace
> >>>>>>> the old native-lang.html with this one? ...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> let's use the new webpage now ad improve over
> >>>>>> the time when something is still unclear.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OK, done. I added some of Tal's ideas to the current wording. I
> didn't
> >>> add
> >>>>> a third column since we don't want to make it too complicated, but I
> >>>>> clarified that help is always welcome even for those languages that
> >>> seem
> >>>>> "complete".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Find it at http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
> >>>>> (or, while the build is still pending, at http://ooo-site.staging.
> >>>>> apache.org/projects/native-lang.html )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't include the suggestions by Alexandro since I didn't have a
> >>> patch,
> >>>>> but it's simply a style improvement so Alexandro feel free to go
> ahead
> >>> and
> >>>>> change it, or provide the patch to
> >>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/
> >>>>> content/projects/native-lang.mdtext?view=markup
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Andrea.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 09/07/2014 03:11 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> By the way, I want to update "Home" page, that looks like in English
> version. To do this, I need English version of that page. Where I can get
> it?
> Regards,
> Wlada
The templates in English can be found from:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/xx/
so you may want index.html from this area?
Also see the readme.txt from this area.
>
>
>
> 2014-09-08 0:02 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic <
> stevanovicvladislav@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>> The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
>>> to product packaging, not the site.
>>
>> Well, you can download AOO 4.1.1 from Serbain-latn site:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/download/
>> About Serbian-cyrl and Sebrian-latn, it is the one language, with two
>> different orthography.
>> For now, the problem is how cyrilic version, with some apropriate code,
>> transform in latinic version (transliteration is what is necessary).
>>
>> Regards, Wlada
This is changed now...
>>
>>
>> 2014-09-07 23:45 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/07/2014 02:24 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am translator of Serbian site of AOO. In
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
>>>> there is for Serbian-latn site marked as outdated. Question: what is the
>>>> criterias for this
>>>> judgment?
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Wlada
>>>
>>> The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
>>> to product packaging, not the site. In other words, we do not have an
>>> sr-latn language release. Is this confusing? Should we use a different
>>> term at the top of that column?
>>>
>>> You can see that under "website" it says maintained, of which you are
>>> doing an excellent job.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-09-07 17:41 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/09/2014 Marcus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
>>>>>>> the old native-lang.html with this one? ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> let's use the new webpage now ad improve over
>>>>>> the time when something is still unclear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, done. I added some of Tal's ideas to the current wording. I didn't
>>> add
>>>>> a third column since we don't want to make it too complicated, but I
>>>>> clarified that help is always welcome even for those languages that
>>> seem
>>>>> "complete".
>>>>>
>>>>> Find it at http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
>>>>> (or, while the build is still pending, at http://ooo-site.staging.
>>>>> apache.org/projects/native-lang.html )
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't include the suggestions by Alexandro since I didn't have a
>>> patch,
>>>>> but it's simply a style improvement so Alexandro feel free to go ahead
>>> and
>>>>> change it, or provide the patch to
>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/
>>>>> content/projects/native-lang.mdtext?view=markup
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
By the way, I want to update "Home" page, that looks like in English
version. To do this, I need English version of that page. Where I can get
it?
Regards,
Wlada
2014-09-08 0:02 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic <
stevanovicvladislav@gmail.com>:
> Hello,
>
> >The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
> >to product packaging, not the site.
>
> Well, you can download AOO 4.1.1 from Serbain-latn site:
> http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/download/
> About Serbian-cyrl and Sebrian-latn, it is the one language, with two
> different orthography.
> For now, the problem is how cyrilic version, with some apropriate code,
> transform in latinic version (transliteration is what is necessary).
>
> Regards, Wlada
>
>
> 2014-09-07 23:45 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On 09/07/2014 02:24 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am translator of Serbian site of AOO. In
>> > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
>> > there is for Serbian-latn site marked as outdated. Question: what is the
>> > criterias for this
>> > judgment?
>> > Regards,
>> > Wlada
>>
>> The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
>> to product packaging, not the site. In other words, we do not have an
>> sr-latn language release. Is this confusing? Should we use a different
>> term at the top of that column?
>>
>> You can see that under "website" it says maintained, of which you are
>> doing an excellent job.
>>
>> >
>> > 2014-09-07 17:41 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
>> >
>> >> On 06/09/2014 Marcus wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> >>>
>> >>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
>> >>>> the old native-lang.html with this one? ...
>> >>>>
>> >>> let's use the new webpage now ad improve over
>> >>> the time when something is still unclear.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> OK, done. I added some of Tal's ideas to the current wording. I didn't
>> add
>> >> a third column since we don't want to make it too complicated, but I
>> >> clarified that help is always welcome even for those languages that
>> seem
>> >> "complete".
>> >>
>> >> Find it at http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
>> >> (or, while the build is still pending, at http://ooo-site.staging.
>> >> apache.org/projects/native-lang.html )
>> >>
>> >> I didn't include the suggestions by Alexandro since I didn't have a
>> patch,
>> >> but it's simply a style improvement so Alexandro feel free to go ahead
>> and
>> >> change it, or provide the patch to
>> >> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/
>> >> content/projects/native-lang.mdtext?view=markup
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Andrea.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
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>> -- Maya Angelou
>>
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
>The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
>to product packaging, not the site.
Well, you can download AOO 4.1.1 from Serbain-latn site:
http://www.openoffice.org/sr-latn/download/
About Serbian-cyrl and Sebrian-latn, it is the one language, with two
different orthography.
For now, the problem is how cyrilic version, with some apropriate code,
transform in latinic version (transliteration is what is necessary).
Regards, Wlada
2014-09-07 23:45 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>:
>
>
> On 09/07/2014 02:24 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am translator of Serbian site of AOO. In
> > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
> > there is for Serbian-latn site marked as outdated. Question: what is the
> > criterias for this
> > judgment?
> > Regards,
> > Wlada
>
> The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
> to product packaging, not the site. In other words, we do not have an
> sr-latn language release. Is this confusing? Should we use a different
> term at the top of that column?
>
> You can see that under "website" it says maintained, of which you are
> doing an excellent job.
>
> >
> > 2014-09-07 17:41 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
> >
> >> On 06/09/2014 Marcus wrote:
> >>
> >>> Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> >>>
> >>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
> >>>>>
> >>>> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
> >>>> the old native-lang.html with this one? ...
> >>>>
> >>> let's use the new webpage now ad improve over
> >>> the time when something is still unclear.
> >>>
> >>
> >> OK, done. I added some of Tal's ideas to the current wording. I didn't
> add
> >> a third column since we don't want to make it too complicated, but I
> >> clarified that help is always welcome even for those languages that seem
> >> "complete".
> >>
> >> Find it at http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
> >> (or, while the build is still pending, at http://ooo-site.staging.
> >> apache.org/projects/native-lang.html )
> >>
> >> I didn't include the suggestions by Alexandro since I didn't have a
> patch,
> >> but it's simply a style improvement so Alexandro feel free to go ahead
> and
> >> change it, or provide the patch to
> >> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/
> >> content/projects/native-lang.mdtext?view=markup
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrea.
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
>
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 09/07/2014 02:24 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am translator of Serbian site of AOO. In
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
> there is for Serbian-latn site marked as outdated. Question: what is the
> criterias for this
> judgment?
> Regards,
> Wlada
The "outdated" is in the "OpenOffice availability" column which applies
to product packaging, not the site. In other words, we do not have an
sr-latn language release. Is this confusing? Should we use a different
term at the top of that column?
You can see that under "website" it says maintained, of which you are
doing an excellent job.
>
> 2014-09-07 17:41 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
>
>> On 06/09/2014 Marcus wrote:
>>
>>> Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>
>>>> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
>>>> the old native-lang.html with this one? ...
>>>>
>>> let's use the new webpage now ad improve over
>>> the time when something is still unclear.
>>>
>>
>> OK, done. I added some of Tal's ideas to the current wording. I didn't add
>> a third column since we don't want to make it too complicated, but I
>> clarified that help is always welcome even for those languages that seem
>> "complete".
>>
>> Find it at http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
>> (or, while the build is still pending, at http://ooo-site.staging.
>> apache.org/projects/native-lang.html )
>>
>> I didn't include the suggestions by Alexandro since I didn't have a patch,
>> but it's simply a style improvement so Alexandro feel free to go ahead and
>> change it, or provide the patch to
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/
>> content/projects/native-lang.mdtext?view=markup
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
I am translator of Serbian site of AOO. In
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
there is for Serbian-latn site marked as outdated. Question: what is the
criterias for this
judgment?
Regards,
Wlada
2014-09-07 17:41 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
> On 06/09/2014 Marcus wrote:
>
>> Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>
>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>
>>> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
>>> the old native-lang.html with this one? ...
>>>
>> let's use the new webpage now ad improve over
>> the time when something is still unclear.
>>
>
> OK, done. I added some of Tal's ideas to the current wording. I didn't add
> a third column since we don't want to make it too complicated, but I
> clarified that help is always welcome even for those languages that seem
> "complete".
>
> Find it at http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
> (or, while the build is still pending, at http://ooo-site.staging.
> apache.org/projects/native-lang.html )
>
> I didn't include the suggestions by Alexandro since I didn't have a patch,
> but it's simply a style improvement so Alexandro feel free to go ahead and
> change it, or provide the patch to
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/
> content/projects/native-lang.mdtext?view=markup
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 06/09/2014 Marcus wrote:
> Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
>> the old native-lang.html with this one? ...
> let's use the new webpage now ad improve over
> the time when something is still unclear.
OK, done. I added some of Tal's ideas to the current wording. I didn't
add a third column since we don't want to make it too complicated, but I
clarified that help is always welcome even for those languages that seem
"complete".
Find it at http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
(or, while the build is still pending, at
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang.html )
I didn't include the suggestions by Alexandro since I didn't have a
patch, but it's simply a style improvement so Alexandro feel free to go
ahead and change it, or provide the patch to
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/native-lang.mdtext?view=markup
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Tal Daniel <ta...@gmail.com>.
Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>
>> On 03/08/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>
>>
>> I see work on this has stopped, but the page was rather OK and a good
>> replacement for
>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
>
>
>> ...
>>
>> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
>> the old native-lang.html with this one?
>
>
Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> On 03/08/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>
> I see work on this has stopped, but the page was rather OK and a good
> replacement for
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
>
>> Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
>> maintained -> current, and current -> maintained so these are one in the
>> same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
>> In a similar fashion, outdated -> unmaintained -> help wanted.
>
> "Help wanted" is much clearer to people who are casually scanning the
> page and who are, in most cases, not native English speakers. So I tried
> to implement that. Similarly, I changed "Distribution" into "OpenOffice
> availability" since I find it clearer for non-native speakers.
>
>> So why not just call it "unmaintained" and provide some further
>> explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the
>> table.
>
> I completed the table with the recommended workflow for updating a
> translation.
>
>> Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
>> understanding of this page simpler for everybody.
>
> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
> the old native-lang.html with this one?
yes, I remember now that there were discussions but IMHO at the end only
about minor things. So, let's use the new webpage now ad improve over
the time when something is still unclear.
Marcus
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Tal Daniel <ta...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 03/08/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>
>
> I see work on this has stopped, but the page was rather OK and a good
> replacement for
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
>
> Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
>> maintained -> current, and current -> maintained so these are one in the
>> same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
>> In a similar fashion, outdated -> unmaintained -> help wanted.
>>
>
> "Help wanted" is much clearer to people who are casually scanning the page
> and who are, in most cases, not native English speakers. So I tried to
> implement that. Similarly, I changed "Distribution" into "OpenOffice
> availability" since I find it clearer for non-native speakers.
>
> So why not just call it "unmaintained" and provide some further
>> explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the table.
>>
>
> I completed the table with the recommended workflow for updating a
> translation.
>
> Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
>> understanding of this page simpler for everybody.
>>
>
> I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace the
> old native-lang.html with this one?
After skimming the native-language status page, I found these issues:
(1) while the website is "maintained", and the software is "current",
people may think that their help isn't needed. Here are a few phrasings
that could improve this misconception:
"maintained; more volunteers are welcome", or
"maintained; a few volunteers", or
"maintained by 3 volunteers"
etc.
(2) In addition to the website and software columns, I suggest to add a
Help System column, which can really lag behind the software translation,
and isn't apparent in the current table.
Tal
Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 03/08/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
I see work on this has stopped, but the page was rather OK and a good
replacement for
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html
> Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
> maintained -> current, and current -> maintained so these are one in the
> same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
> In a similar fashion, outdated -> unmaintained -> help wanted.
"Help wanted" is much clearer to people who are casually scanning the
page and who are, in most cases, not native English speakers. So I tried
to implement that. Similarly, I changed "Distribution" into "OpenOffice
availability" since I find it clearer for non-native speakers.
> So why not just call it "unmaintained" and provide some further
> explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the table.
I completed the table with the recommended workflow for updating a
translation.
> Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
> understanding of this page simpler for everybody.
I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
the old native-lang.html with this one?
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 8/3/14, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 07/30/2014 02:00 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Am 07/30/2014 10:50 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/30/2014 01:44 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>> Am 07/30/2014 08:51 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/30/2014 11:05 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>> Am 07/28/2014 09:43 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>>>> Am 07/28/2014 07:07 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/28/2014 01:05 AM, Tal Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Kay Schenk<ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 07/26/2014 10:16 PM, Tal Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you think this page should exist elsewhere, not on the
>>>>>>>>>>> site?
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> openoffice.apache.org> native language section? It's feels as
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> status
>>>>>>>>>>> page, rather than a page for visitors.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's just where it is for historical purposes, and I see
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> point. We can move it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, my "new" version is at:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even after I suggested it, I'm not sure I'm 100% happy with my
>>>>>>>>>> simpler
>>>>>>>>>> definitions. See the definition for "maintained". The download
>>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>>> from these pages work, but some are NOT to a localized download
>>>>>>>>>> due to
>>>>>>>>>> editing (by me some weeks ago) to at least get them to some
>>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>> download area. :/ So, what to do with these gray areas?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nonactive/non-maintained websites will, eventually, be removed
>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>> language selection box;a call for volunteers is also
>>>>>>>>> appropriate, in
>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>> to revive such a website (another column?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> choosing the language from the drop-down-box is a fast and cheap
>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>> come to unmaintained webpages that have the large hint (we have to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> this sure) to help to get it complete again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I think it would not be good to delete it from the selection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, I just changed the definitions slightly and corrected some
>>>>>>>> errors
>>>>>>>> I'd made in assessment yesterday as well. This needs another pair
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> eyes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> again, at:
>>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we should take the content (current or outdated) and the
>>>>>>> work on
>>>>>>> it (maintained or help wanted) into account? With this we can say,
>>>>>>> e.g.,
>>>>>>> "outdated + maintained". This means that the content is old but
>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>> someone who is working on updates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here my further idea:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> current The website is OK and needs no help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> outdated The website has old content and needs to be updated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maintained Someone is already actively working on the website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> help wanted Volunteers are welcome to help updating the website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the discussion about formatting is all fine and all good. But without
>>>>>> content is doesn't matter, right? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please can we first finalize the content. Then we can beautifying the
>>>>>> webpage step by step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be nice! :)
>
> Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
>
> maintained -> current, and current -> maintained so these are one in the
> same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
>
> In a similar fashion, outdated -> unmaintained -> help wanted.
> So why not just call it "unmaintained" and provide some further
> explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the table.
So, not sure if the idea on having icons instead of terms was approved
or not. I heard people were welcoming of them. The license issue was
sorted out by using fontawesome but I still dont see the table with
the changes.
What is the case for *NOT* having these icons?
>
> Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
> understanding of this page simpler for everybody.
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just put the page with the changes I made recently into production
>>>>> at:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>
>>>>> so it should be easy for others to make further changes.
>>>>
>>>> thats not what I wanted. IMHO we haven't finished our discussion about
>>>> status (and maybe further content).
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> Well I will not be the least bit upset if you revert this change.
>>
>> ahm no ;-) What I meant is, we were in the discussion of the status, I
>> made a further suggestion (see above: current, outdated, maintained and
>> help wanted) and then it turnd into how to style the text.
>>
>> I just want to get the discussion back to the topic as IMHO we have not
>> an agreed text.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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