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Language code for Ukrainian?
Hello all,
since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
in "uk" [2]
The page itself isn't translated yet, so at this early stage we could
easily switch to another subdirectory and redirect users automatically.
Kind regards, Matthias
[1] https://www.openoffice.org/ua/
[2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/uk/
Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Marcus,
Am 05.01.2018 um 21:19 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>
>> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
>> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
>> in "uk" [2]
>
> OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
>
> And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
> *languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
> think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
>
> Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
> "uk" [3].
So it is more like "dk" for Denmark and "da" for Danish...
>
> I think that means we should change the code for the website.
Thanks for the facts! ;-)
Matthias
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 05/01/2018 Marcus wrote:
> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>> uk (or uk-UA)?
> same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language = "uk" [3].
Probably the project was setup (at the time) with a wrong convention
that indeed mixed up countries and languages. It is absolutely correct
to switch to "uk" and redirect "ua" (for a reasonable period of time at
least) to it.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
In that case we would have to change Lang-detect.js for the name of that language.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org> wrote:
>
> It could hurt if "ua" were assigned as a language code in the future.
>
>> On 1/6/2018 11:28 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I think "ua" is not a language code, it could only be used together with
>> "uk" as "uk-UA"
>> But it surely doesn't hurt if we include it... ;-)
>> Regards, Matthias
>>> Am 06.01.2018 um 19:36 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> I think the ‘ua’ case should still be tested and the langcode = ‘uk’ statement be included. This is in case ‘ua’ appears from somewhere.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have done it now, it is still staged:
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/branding/scripts/lang-detect.js
>>>>
>>>> Can you have a look?
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Matthias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Am 06.01.2018 um 18:55 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>> Did you modify Lang-detect.js?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Ukrainian homepage is now at:
>>>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/uk/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will monitor our page with our Google Search Console. If any broken
>>>>>> links to /ua appear I can create a redirection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards, Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 21:19 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
>>>>>>>> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>>>>>>>> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
>>>>>>>> in "uk" [2]
>>>>>>> OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
>>>>>>> *languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
>>>>>>> think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
>>>>>>> "uk" [3].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that means we should change the code for the website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
>>>>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
>>>>>>> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
It could hurt if "ua" were assigned as a language code in the future.
On 1/6/2018 11:28 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think "ua" is not a language code, it could only be used together with
> "uk" as "uk-UA"
>
> But it surely doesn't hurt if we include it... ;-)
>
> Regards, Matthias
>
>
> Am 06.01.2018 um 19:36 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> Hi -
>>
>> I think the ‘ua’ case should still be tested and the langcode = ‘uk’ statement be included. This is in case ‘ua’ appears from somewhere.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have done it now, it is still staged:
>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/branding/scripts/lang-detect.js
>>>
>>> Can you have a look?
>>>
>>> Regards, Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 06.01.2018 um 18:55 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>> Did you modify Lang-detect.js?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Ukrainian homepage is now at:
>>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/uk/
>>>>>
>>>>> I will monitor our page with our Google Search Console. If any broken
>>>>> links to /ua appear I can create a redirection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 21:19 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
>>>>>>> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>>>>>>> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
>>>>>>> in "uk" [2]
>>>>>> OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
>>>>>> *languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
>>>>>> think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
>>>>>> "uk" [3].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that means we should change the code for the website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
>>>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
>>>>>> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi,
I think "ua" is not a language code, it could only be used together with
"uk" as "uk-UA"
But it surely doesn't hurt if we include it... ;-)
Regards, Matthias
Am 06.01.2018 um 19:36 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> Hi -
>
> I think the ‘ua’ case should still be tested and the langcode = ‘uk’ statement be included. This is in case ‘ua’ appears from somewhere.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>
>> I have done it now, it is still staged:
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/branding/scripts/lang-detect.js
>>
>> Can you have a look?
>>
>> Regards, Matthias
>>
>>
>>> Am 06.01.2018 um 18:55 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> Did you modify Lang-detect.js?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Ukrainian homepage is now at:
>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/uk/
>>>>
>>>> I will monitor our page with our Google Search Console. If any broken
>>>> links to /ua appear I can create a redirection.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Matthias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 21:19 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
>>>>>> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>>>>>> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
>>>>>> in "uk" [2]
>>>>> OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
>>>>> *languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
>>>>> think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
>>>>> "uk" [3].
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that means we should change the code for the website.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
>>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
>>>>> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
I think the ‘ua’ case should still be tested and the langcode = ‘uk’ statement be included. This is in case ‘ua’ appears from somewhere.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> I have done it now, it is still staged:
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/branding/scripts/lang-detect.js
>
> Can you have a look?
>
> Regards, Matthias
>
>
>> Am 06.01.2018 um 18:55 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> Did you modify Lang-detect.js?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Ukrainian homepage is now at:
>>> https://www.openoffice.org/uk/
>>>
>>> I will monitor our page with our Google Search Console. If any broken
>>> links to /ua appear I can create a redirection.
>>>
>>> Regards, Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 21:19 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>
>>>>> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
>>>>> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>>>>> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
>>>>> in "uk" [2]
>>>> OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
>>>>
>>>> And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
>>>> *languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
>>>> think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
>>>> "uk" [3].
>>>>
>>>> I think that means we should change the code for the website.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
>>>> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
I have done it now, it is still staged:
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/branding/scripts/lang-detect.js
Can you have a look?
Regards, Matthias
Am 06.01.2018 um 18:55 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> Did you modify Lang-detect.js?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>
>> The Ukrainian homepage is now at:
>> https://www.openoffice.org/uk/
>>
>> I will monitor our page with our Google Search Console. If any broken
>> links to /ua appear I can create a redirection.
>>
>> Regards, Matthias
>>
>>
>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 21:19 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>
>>>> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
>>>> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>>>> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
>>>> in "uk" [2]
>>> OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
>>>
>>> And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
>>> *languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
>>> think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
>>>
>>> Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
>>> "uk" [3].
>>>
>>> I think that means we should change the code for the website.
>>>
>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
>>> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Did you modify Lang-detect.js?
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> The Ukrainian homepage is now at:
> https://www.openoffice.org/uk/
>
> I will monitor our page with our Google Search Console. If any broken
> links to /ua appear I can create a redirection.
>
> Regards, Matthias
>
>
>> Am 05.01.2018 um 21:19 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>
>>> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
>>> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>>> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
>>> in "uk" [2]
>>
>> OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
>>
>> And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
>> *languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
>> think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
>>
>> Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
>> "uk" [3].
>>
>> I think that means we should change the code for the website.
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
>> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>>
>> Marcus
>>
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
The Ukrainian homepage is now at:
https://www.openoffice.org/uk/
I will monitor our page with our Google Search Console. If any broken
links to /ua appear I can create a redirection.
Regards, Matthias
Am 05.01.2018 um 21:19 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>
>> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
>> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
>> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
>> in "uk" [2]
>
> OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
>
> And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
> *languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
> think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
>
> Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
> "uk" [3].
>
> I think that means we should change the code for the website.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 05.01.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>
> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
> in "uk" [2]
OpenOffice is using standards and for language codes it's ISO 639-1 [1].
And please take into account that it's about codes that represent
*languages* and not countries. This don't need to be the same (e.g.,
think of "uk" for United Kingdom and "en-GB" for British English). ;-)
Wikipedia shows the same difference: country = "ua" [2] and language =
"uk" [3].
I think that means we should change the code for the website.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
Marcus
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Re: Language code for Ukrainian?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
> On Jan 5, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> since we have some new volunteers for the Ukrainian language on l10n@ I
> am wondering why our homepage for Ukrainian links to "ua" [1] and not to
> uk (or uk-UA)? In our source the translation file for Ukrainian resides
> in "uk" [2]
I’m not sure why either. I took a look at the scripts used to do the migration and setup the redirections from Oracle Kenai and I used uk at the time, but it was empty. I did massive amounts of work in that 48 hours and somehow there was ambiguity. If the you want to switch the site that is fine.
Take a look here [3] You can see that script accepting both codes.
>
> The page itself isn't translated yet, so at this early stage we could
> easily switch to another subdirectory and redirect users automatically.
Yes
Regards,
Dave
>
> Kind regards, Matthias
>
> [1] https://www.openoffice.org/ua/
> [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/uk/ <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/uk/>
[3] https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/branding/scripts/lang-detect.js?revision=1220318&view=markup <https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/branding/scripts/lang-detect.js?revision=1220318&view=markup>
>
>