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Posted to dev@abdera.apache.org by Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com> on 2006/09/24 06:56:12 UTC
Abdera Development
Greetings,
My name is Harris Boyce; I contacted Mr. Snell earlier this weekend
(22 Sept) about beginning a .NET implementation of Abdera. As I
mentioned to him in my e-mail, while I do not have much experience
with Open Source development, I have been researching Atom and Abdera
for the past few months and this project really interests me and I
would like to contribute to this project.
While I have looked over a few of the files, I haven't really had the
time to get a complete understanding of the architecture. So, I
suppose that's a good place to start. I hope that we can start
discussing the design of the framework and how to achieve the
appropriate analogs in a .NET implementation.
I explained to Mr. Snell that I have about 2 nights a week that I am
able to commit to this project. I hope that is alright as I have
personal/family commitments the rest of the week. I look forward to
working with everyone and that we can work together to further Atom
and Abdera on the Web.
Harris Boyce
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com>.
Stephen,
Thanks for the guidence; I'll have to try this later this evening (I'm
on EST) and see how it goes. I wasn't aware that Eclipse is free.
Hopefully, this will get me started.
Thanks again,
Harris
On 9/25/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To get started working with the Java code to get familiar, I would
> download Eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ which is a free
> open-source IDE.
>
> I would also download Maven: http://maven.apache.org/ and follow the
> first section of this guide:
> http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-ide-eclipse.html
>
> Then, from abdera/java/trunk, run 'mvn eclipse:eclipse'. This will
> generate the files necessary for Eclipse to understand the project.
>
> Finally, from within Eclipse, you'll want to go to File -> Import.
> Under "General" select "Existing Projects into Workspace" and click
> next. Browse to abdera/java/trunk when it asks you to select the root
> directory. It should then show a list of all the modules for you to
> import. Click "Finish" and you should be set up with all the modules
> as eclipse projects for you to work with.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On 9/25/06, Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > Thanks for getting back to me. I have taken a look at some of the
> > source so I am some-what familiar with it. I guess there are two
> > things that I think I could use to help get started; first, is there a
> > recommended environment for working with the source? I'm not a Java
> > developer so I am not really familiar with the available toolsets/IDEs
> > for developers with a, um, restricted budget.
> >
> > Lastly, not being a Java developer some of the libraries referenced by
> > Abdera are foreign to me, like Axiom/StAX, etc. so I'm finding it a
> > little difficult finding a good starting point for development. My
> > plan is to, at least right now, start looking at the JUnit tests and
> > start working forward from there - but the question then becomes where
> > to start testing...Maybe these are all questions once I can spend some
> > more time looking at the source.
> >
> > One thing I would like comments on (as if I haven't asked enough
> > questions already) is what your thoughts are on which runtime version
> > to target (.NET 1.1 vs 2.0). I couldn't conclusively determine if the
> > Mono compilers support the new language features of C# 2.0. I feel
> > .NET 2.0 would be a better target given the intrinsic support for XML
> > Encryption/Security and significant performance improvements to the
> > XML reading/parsing/etc. library and while I would like this
> > implementation to be Mono-compatible, this may just be a matter of
> > crawl-walk-run.
> >
> > Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.
> >
> > Harris
> >
> > On 9/25/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Harris,
> > >
> > > Having a .NET implementation would be quite welcome. The best way to
> > > get started would be to just start working on the code. Garrett and
> > > Paul (our project mentors) know more about the procedures for accepting
> > > code donations in a project more than I so I'd recommend consulting with
> > > either of them.
> > >
> > > - James
> > >
> > > Harris Boyce III wrote:
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > My name is Harris Boyce; I contacted Mr. Snell earlier this weekend
> > > > (22 Sept) about beginning a .NET implementation of Abdera. As I
> > > > mentioned to him in my e-mail, while I do not have much experience
> > > > with Open Source development, I have been researching Atom and Abdera
> > > > for the past few months and this project really interests me and I
> > > > would like to contribute to this project.
> > > >
> > > > While I have looked over a few of the files, I haven't really had the
> > > > time to get a complete understanding of the architecture. So, I
> > > > suppose that's a good place to start. I hope that we can start
> > > > discussing the design of the framework and how to achieve the
> > > > appropriate analogs in a .NET implementation.
> > > >
> > > > I explained to Mr. Snell that I have about 2 nights a week that I am
> > > > able to commit to this project. I hope that is alright as I have
> > > > personal/family commitments the rest of the week. I look forward to
> > > > working with everyone and that we can work together to further Atom
> > > > and Abdera on the Web.
> > > >
> > > > Harris Boyce
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Stephen Duncan Jr
> www.stephenduncanjr.com
>
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com>.
Stephen,
OK, so that's lightyears better...I wish I understood what happened
there, but the result is exactly what I needed.
Thanks so much!!
H
On 9/25/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To get started working with the Java code to get familiar, I would
> download Eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ which is a free
> open-source IDE.
>
> I would also download Maven: http://maven.apache.org/ and follow the
> first section of this guide:
> http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-ide-eclipse.html
>
> Then, from abdera/java/trunk, run 'mvn eclipse:eclipse'. This will
> generate the files necessary for Eclipse to understand the project.
>
> Finally, from within Eclipse, you'll want to go to File -> Import.
> Under "General" select "Existing Projects into Workspace" and click
> next. Browse to abdera/java/trunk when it asks you to select the root
> directory. It should then show a list of all the modules for you to
> import. Click "Finish" and you should be set up with all the modules
> as eclipse projects for you to work with.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On 9/25/06, Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > Thanks for getting back to me. I have taken a look at some of the
> > source so I am some-what familiar with it. I guess there are two
> > things that I think I could use to help get started; first, is there a
> > recommended environment for working with the source? I'm not a Java
> > developer so I am not really familiar with the available toolsets/IDEs
> > for developers with a, um, restricted budget.
> >
> > Lastly, not being a Java developer some of the libraries referenced by
> > Abdera are foreign to me, like Axiom/StAX, etc. so I'm finding it a
> > little difficult finding a good starting point for development. My
> > plan is to, at least right now, start looking at the JUnit tests and
> > start working forward from there - but the question then becomes where
> > to start testing...Maybe these are all questions once I can spend some
> > more time looking at the source.
> >
> > One thing I would like comments on (as if I haven't asked enough
> > questions already) is what your thoughts are on which runtime version
> > to target (.NET 1.1 vs 2.0). I couldn't conclusively determine if the
> > Mono compilers support the new language features of C# 2.0. I feel
> > .NET 2.0 would be a better target given the intrinsic support for XML
> > Encryption/Security and significant performance improvements to the
> > XML reading/parsing/etc. library and while I would like this
> > implementation to be Mono-compatible, this may just be a matter of
> > crawl-walk-run.
> >
> > Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.
> >
> > Harris
> >
> > On 9/25/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Harris,
> > >
> > > Having a .NET implementation would be quite welcome. The best way to
> > > get started would be to just start working on the code. Garrett and
> > > Paul (our project mentors) know more about the procedures for accepting
> > > code donations in a project more than I so I'd recommend consulting with
> > > either of them.
> > >
> > > - James
> > >
> > > Harris Boyce III wrote:
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > My name is Harris Boyce; I contacted Mr. Snell earlier this weekend
> > > > (22 Sept) about beginning a .NET implementation of Abdera. As I
> > > > mentioned to him in my e-mail, while I do not have much experience
> > > > with Open Source development, I have been researching Atom and Abdera
> > > > for the past few months and this project really interests me and I
> > > > would like to contribute to this project.
> > > >
> > > > While I have looked over a few of the files, I haven't really had the
> > > > time to get a complete understanding of the architecture. So, I
> > > > suppose that's a good place to start. I hope that we can start
> > > > discussing the design of the framework and how to achieve the
> > > > appropriate analogs in a .NET implementation.
> > > >
> > > > I explained to Mr. Snell that I have about 2 nights a week that I am
> > > > able to commit to this project. I hope that is alright as I have
> > > > personal/family commitments the rest of the week. I look forward to
> > > > working with everyone and that we can work together to further Atom
> > > > and Abdera on the Web.
> > > >
> > > > Harris Boyce
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Stephen Duncan Jr
> www.stephenduncanjr.com
>
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com>.
To get started working with the Java code to get familiar, I would
download Eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ which is a free
open-source IDE.
I would also download Maven: http://maven.apache.org/ and follow the
first section of this guide:
http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-ide-eclipse.html
Then, from abdera/java/trunk, run 'mvn eclipse:eclipse'. This will
generate the files necessary for Eclipse to understand the project.
Finally, from within Eclipse, you'll want to go to File -> Import.
Under "General" select "Existing Projects into Workspace" and click
next. Browse to abdera/java/trunk when it asks you to select the root
directory. It should then show a list of all the modules for you to
import. Click "Finish" and you should be set up with all the modules
as eclipse projects for you to work with.
-Stephen
On 9/25/06, Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> James,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. I have taken a look at some of the
> source so I am some-what familiar with it. I guess there are two
> things that I think I could use to help get started; first, is there a
> recommended environment for working with the source? I'm not a Java
> developer so I am not really familiar with the available toolsets/IDEs
> for developers with a, um, restricted budget.
>
> Lastly, not being a Java developer some of the libraries referenced by
> Abdera are foreign to me, like Axiom/StAX, etc. so I'm finding it a
> little difficult finding a good starting point for development. My
> plan is to, at least right now, start looking at the JUnit tests and
> start working forward from there - but the question then becomes where
> to start testing...Maybe these are all questions once I can spend some
> more time looking at the source.
>
> One thing I would like comments on (as if I haven't asked enough
> questions already) is what your thoughts are on which runtime version
> to target (.NET 1.1 vs 2.0). I couldn't conclusively determine if the
> Mono compilers support the new language features of C# 2.0. I feel
> .NET 2.0 would be a better target given the intrinsic support for XML
> Encryption/Security and significant performance improvements to the
> XML reading/parsing/etc. library and while I would like this
> implementation to be Mono-compatible, this may just be a matter of
> crawl-walk-run.
>
> Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.
>
> Harris
>
> On 9/25/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Harris,
> >
> > Having a .NET implementation would be quite welcome. The best way to
> > get started would be to just start working on the code. Garrett and
> > Paul (our project mentors) know more about the procedures for accepting
> > code donations in a project more than I so I'd recommend consulting with
> > either of them.
> >
> > - James
> >
> > Harris Boyce III wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > My name is Harris Boyce; I contacted Mr. Snell earlier this weekend
> > > (22 Sept) about beginning a .NET implementation of Abdera. As I
> > > mentioned to him in my e-mail, while I do not have much experience
> > > with Open Source development, I have been researching Atom and Abdera
> > > for the past few months and this project really interests me and I
> > > would like to contribute to this project.
> > >
> > > While I have looked over a few of the files, I haven't really had the
> > > time to get a complete understanding of the architecture. So, I
> > > suppose that's a good place to start. I hope that we can start
> > > discussing the design of the framework and how to achieve the
> > > appropriate analogs in a .NET implementation.
> > >
> > > I explained to Mr. Snell that I have about 2 nights a week that I am
> > > able to commit to this project. I hope that is alright as I have
> > > personal/family commitments the rest of the week. I look forward to
> > > working with everyone and that we can work together to further Atom
> > > and Abdera on the Web.
> > >
> > > Harris Boyce
> > >
> >
>
--
Stephen Duncan Jr
www.stephenduncanjr.com
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com>.
On 9/25/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Lastly, not being a Java developer some of the libraries referenced by
> > Abdera are foreign to me, like Axiom/StAX, etc. so I'm finding it a
> > little difficult finding a good starting point for development. My
> > plan is to, at least right now, start looking at the JUnit tests and
> > start working forward from there - but the question then becomes where
> > to start testing...Maybe these are all questions once I can spend some
> > more time looking at the source.
> >
>
> StAX is an XML Pull Parser. I'm not all that familiar with .NET but I
> believe this [1] is a fairly close analog.
>
> Axiom is an XML Infoset implementation built on top of StAX. This will
> be the hardest thing for you to port. Essentially, Axiom parses the XML
> into an in-memory representation of the infoset, but does so
> incrementally (e.g. it only parses what the user actually asks for). I
> recommend consulting with the members of the ws-commons project for help
> on Axiom.
>
> [1] http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/05/22/parsing.html
>
I think you're right James, the Axiom bit is going to be interesting.
My initial reaction to seeing the code involved with Axiom and the FOM
was "hey, a great chance to use XML Serialization" (.NET has built in
capabilities to serialize the data from an instance of type to/from
XML), but you got me with the incrementally bit. I believe that it's
an all or nothing thing for the out-of-box serialization in .NET - at
least that's the way it was in 1.x version; I haven't messed with
serialization in 2.0.
The pull-based model that is StAX shouldn't be an issue as there's
built-in forward-only, read-only cursor support for XML just as you
referenced. There's also support for bi-directional and updatable (in
2.0) cursors over XML as well [1]. So I'll take a look further into
serialization and Axiom and continue to bounce ideas here.
[1] http://msdn2.microsoft.com/library/system.xml.xpath.xpathdocument.aspx
> > One thing I would like comments on (as if I haven't asked enough
> > questions already) is what your thoughts are on which runtime version
> > to target (.NET 1.1 vs 2.0). I couldn't conclusively determine if the
> > Mono compilers support the new language features of C# 2.0. I feel
> > .NET 2.0 would be a better target given the intrinsic support for XML
> > Encryption/Security and significant performance improvements to the
> > XML reading/parsing/etc. library and while I would like this
> > implementation to be Mono-compatible, this may just be a matter of
> > crawl-walk-run.
> >
>
> I personally would target .NET 2.0, but then again, I'm not all that
> familiar with .NET or it's adoption patterns.
>
My initial thought was to target 2.0 and then move back if necessary,
but I would like to strive to have it target Mono as well so that it,
too, can run on virtually any platform, not just Win32/64. I'll see
about posting and reading elsewhere about what Mono's capabilities are
in relation to v2.0 (wow, almost a year old!).
- Harris
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Harris Boyce III wrote:
> James,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. I have taken a look at some of the
> source so I am some-what familiar with it. I guess there are two
> things that I think I could use to help get started; first, is there a
> recommended environment for working with the source? I'm not a Java
> developer so I am not really familiar with the available toolsets/IDEs
> for developers with a, um, restricted budget.
>
As Stephen pointed out, Eclipse is what you want.
> Lastly, not being a Java developer some of the libraries referenced by
> Abdera are foreign to me, like Axiom/StAX, etc. so I'm finding it a
> little difficult finding a good starting point for development. My
> plan is to, at least right now, start looking at the JUnit tests and
> start working forward from there - but the question then becomes where
> to start testing...Maybe these are all questions once I can spend some
> more time looking at the source.
>
StAX is an XML Pull Parser. I'm not all that familiar with .NET but I
believe this [1] is a fairly close analog.
Axiom is an XML Infoset implementation built on top of StAX. This will
be the hardest thing for you to port. Essentially, Axiom parses the XML
into an in-memory representation of the infoset, but does so
incrementally (e.g. it only parses what the user actually asks for). I
recommend consulting with the members of the ws-commons project for help
on Axiom.
[1] http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/05/22/parsing.html
> One thing I would like comments on (as if I haven't asked enough
> questions already) is what your thoughts are on which runtime version
> to target (.NET 1.1 vs 2.0). I couldn't conclusively determine if the
> Mono compilers support the new language features of C# 2.0. I feel
> .NET 2.0 would be a better target given the intrinsic support for XML
> Encryption/Security and significant performance improvements to the
> XML reading/parsing/etc. library and while I would like this
> implementation to be Mono-compatible, this may just be a matter of
> crawl-walk-run.
>
I personally would target .NET 2.0, but then again, I'm not all that
familiar with .NET or it's adoption patterns.
- James
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com>.
James,
Thanks for getting back to me. I have taken a look at some of the
source so I am some-what familiar with it. I guess there are two
things that I think I could use to help get started; first, is there a
recommended environment for working with the source? I'm not a Java
developer so I am not really familiar with the available toolsets/IDEs
for developers with a, um, restricted budget.
Lastly, not being a Java developer some of the libraries referenced by
Abdera are foreign to me, like Axiom/StAX, etc. so I'm finding it a
little difficult finding a good starting point for development. My
plan is to, at least right now, start looking at the JUnit tests and
start working forward from there - but the question then becomes where
to start testing...Maybe these are all questions once I can spend some
more time looking at the source.
One thing I would like comments on (as if I haven't asked enough
questions already) is what your thoughts are on which runtime version
to target (.NET 1.1 vs 2.0). I couldn't conclusively determine if the
Mono compilers support the new language features of C# 2.0. I feel
.NET 2.0 would be a better target given the intrinsic support for XML
Encryption/Security and significant performance improvements to the
XML reading/parsing/etc. library and while I would like this
implementation to be Mono-compatible, this may just be a matter of
crawl-walk-run.
Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.
Harris
On 9/25/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Harris,
>
> Having a .NET implementation would be quite welcome. The best way to
> get started would be to just start working on the code. Garrett and
> Paul (our project mentors) know more about the procedures for accepting
> code donations in a project more than I so I'd recommend consulting with
> either of them.
>
> - James
>
> Harris Boyce III wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > My name is Harris Boyce; I contacted Mr. Snell earlier this weekend
> > (22 Sept) about beginning a .NET implementation of Abdera. As I
> > mentioned to him in my e-mail, while I do not have much experience
> > with Open Source development, I have been researching Atom and Abdera
> > for the past few months and this project really interests me and I
> > would like to contribute to this project.
> >
> > While I have looked over a few of the files, I haven't really had the
> > time to get a complete understanding of the architecture. So, I
> > suppose that's a good place to start. I hope that we can start
> > discussing the design of the framework and how to achieve the
> > appropriate analogs in a .NET implementation.
> >
> > I explained to Mr. Snell that I have about 2 nights a week that I am
> > able to commit to this project. I hope that is alright as I have
> > personal/family commitments the rest of the week. I look forward to
> > working with everyone and that we can work together to further Atom
> > and Abdera on the Web.
> >
> > Harris Boyce
> >
>
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by Harris Boyce III <ha...@gmail.com>.
Garrett,
Thanks for the reply; I'll be sure to keep you in the loop once there
is some code to commit to the project.
Thanks,
Harris
On 9/25/06, Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net> wrote:
> On 9/25/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Harris,
> >
> > Having a .NET implementation would be quite welcome. The best way to
> > get started would be to just start working on the code. Garrett and
> > Paul (our project mentors) know more about the procedures for accepting
> > code donations in a project more than I so I'd recommend consulting with
> > either of them.
>
> Once there's some actual code we can look into what would be required
> to import it. It's not overly complex, just filling out some forms
> and faxing them in, but it's kind of like putting the cart before the
> horse to talk about it when there's no code to import.
>
> -garrett
>
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 9/25/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Harris,
>
> Having a .NET implementation would be quite welcome. The best way to
> get started would be to just start working on the code. Garrett and
> Paul (our project mentors) know more about the procedures for accepting
> code donations in a project more than I so I'd recommend consulting with
> either of them.
Once there's some actual code we can look into what would be required
to import it. It's not overly complex, just filling out some forms
and faxing them in, but it's kind of like putting the cart before the
horse to talk about it when there's no code to import.
-garrett
Re: Abdera Development
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Harris,
Having a .NET implementation would be quite welcome. The best way to
get started would be to just start working on the code. Garrett and
Paul (our project mentors) know more about the procedures for accepting
code donations in a project more than I so I'd recommend consulting with
either of them.
- James
Harris Boyce III wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> My name is Harris Boyce; I contacted Mr. Snell earlier this weekend
> (22 Sept) about beginning a .NET implementation of Abdera. As I
> mentioned to him in my e-mail, while I do not have much experience
> with Open Source development, I have been researching Atom and Abdera
> for the past few months and this project really interests me and I
> would like to contribute to this project.
>
> While I have looked over a few of the files, I haven't really had the
> time to get a complete understanding of the architecture. So, I
> suppose that's a good place to start. I hope that we can start
> discussing the design of the framework and how to achieve the
> appropriate analogs in a .NET implementation.
>
> I explained to Mr. Snell that I have about 2 nights a week that I am
> able to commit to this project. I hope that is alright as I have
> personal/family commitments the rest of the week. I look forward to
> working with everyone and that we can work together to further Atom
> and Abdera on the Web.
>
> Harris Boyce
>