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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> on 2006/07/12 00:52:37 UTC
Preview of the release announcement
I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the private
committers-only Wiki:
http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to avoid
spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors do
not have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
ObjectStyle). If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please
register an id under ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the
permissions to access this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
Andrus
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
Please :)
ID is: jim
On Jul 11, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors do
> not have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
> ObjectStyle). If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please
> register an id under ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set
> the permissions to access this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>
> Andrus
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Branding guidelines make total sense, except that this is not a press
> release (we do not distribute it via AP wire or anything like that), it
> is just a draft of a post on the project blog (something also mentioned
> in the branding guidelines). Besides it clearly states in the relevant
> paragraph, that 1.2 goes out as ObjectStyle.
>
> Although we need to put disclaimer on the website - I'll do that.
>From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html :
"Podling web sites MUST include a clear disclaimer on their website and
in all documentation (including releases) stating that they are in
incubation."
So ... website, documentation, releases ..... it's easiest to form good
habits early on. Cayenne is on an awkward spot because this isn't an
Apache release. Still, erring on the side of caution will avoid any
misunderstandings.
btw, if cayenne ever wants to do an actual press release, that needs to
be run by the Apache Public Relations committee first.
-jean
>> While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release day,
>> I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
>> cayenne-dev@ .
>
> Like I said, I don't have strong feelings either way, but keep in mind
> that this is just a blog post we are talking about here.
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> And I can get in now -- thanks. :-)
>>
>> Since it mentions incubation, it should also include the standard
>> disclaimer that it has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF. Complete
>> guidelines are here:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>
>> While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release day,
>> I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
>> cayenne-dev@ .
>>
>> not meaning to spoil anyone's fun,
>>
>> -jean
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>>> Never mind. This is the end of the day and I am doing stupid things...
>>> Sure enough I added your permissions on the Apache Jira instance, not
>>> the ObjectStyle one :-)
>>>
>>> You should be ok now.
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can confirm that Jira permissions didn't get through to the
>>>> Confluence (even after restart). Dow! It didn't happen on older
>>>> versions of Confluence.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like Confluence is caching permissions somewhere [1]. Trying to
>>>> figure out where.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Performance+Tuning
>>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jean,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you should have access now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not quite -- I get
>>>>> "You do not have permission to view this page."
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> -jean
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the
>>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>>> committers-only Wiki:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to avoid
>>>>>>>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors
>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
>>>>>>>> ObjectStyle).
>>>>>>>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register an id
>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions to
>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -jean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> C'mon! There are private PMC lists, there is private SVN space.
>
> But this specific case ... There is no big secret in what I posted. And
> I won't argue about the "privilege" to do things in private, as in this
> case I don't care either way. All I was saying is "hey, do you want a
> preview of what I am going to post on the blog", so the whole
> discussion seems overblown.
Sorry if it seems overblown -- that certainly wasn't my intent!
I have two main points:
1) Incubating projects should be positioned correctly whether in a blog
entry, release notes, documentation, or whatever.
The http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html page came about
because of past issues, but Cayenne can easily avoid the pitfalls that
resulted in that page being created.
2) Keep communication in the project open.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management has great
wording in the section "Balancing confidentiality and public discussion":
"We endeavour to conduct as much discussion in public as possible. This
encourages openness, provides a public record, and stimulates the
broader community."
Regarding the PMC lists, they only get used for topics that must remain
confidential, such as discussions about people (for specific example,
the suitability of a particular individual to become a committer). As a
result, there's probably little traffic on most PMC lists. Most PMC
activity should occur on the dev list in full view.
sorry ... I got off on a pendantic jag there, but I hope it provides
context for my comments. While Cayenne is in incubation I'll point out
any issues that I spot.
-jean
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not to confuse things even more, but even if 1.2 were an Apache
>>>> Incubator release it wouldn't be fully endorsed by the ASF.
>>>> Quoting from
>>>> the branding page, incubation indicates "that the project has yet
>>>> to be
>>>> fully endorsed by the ASF."
>>>
>>>
>>> True, but this doesn't contradict what I wrote there (1.2 is ot
>>> endorsed). Still if anyone can suggest a better wording, please do. Or
>>> even better - go ahead and change it on Wiki.
>>
>>
>> ah -- but changing it requires access to the private Wiki.
>>
>> I should have mentioned this with Andrus' first post. I'm fundamentally
>> opposed to a committers-only Wiki. I don't think you'll find any private
>> project Wikis at Apache.
>>
>> Developing anything in private, even a blog announcement, sets a
>> slippery precedent.
>>
>> -jean
>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
C'mon! There are private PMC lists, there is private SVN space.
But this specific case ... There is no big secret in what I posted.
And I won't argue about the "privilege" to do things in private, as
in this case I don't care either way. All I was saying is "hey, do
you want a preview of what I am going to post on the blog", so the
whole discussion seems overblown.
Andrus
On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Not to confuse things even more, but even if 1.2 were an Apache
>>> Incubator release it wouldn't be fully endorsed by the ASF.
>>> Quoting from
>>> the branding page, incubation indicates "that the project has
>>> yet to be
>>> fully endorsed by the ASF."
>>
>> True, but this doesn't contradict what I wrote there (1.2 is ot
>> endorsed). Still if anyone can suggest a better wording, please
>> do. Or
>> even better - go ahead and change it on Wiki.
>
> ah -- but changing it requires access to the private Wiki.
>
> I should have mentioned this with Andrus' first post. I'm
> fundamentally
> opposed to a committers-only Wiki. I don't think you'll find any
> private
> project Wikis at Apache.
>
> Developing anything in private, even a blog announcement, sets a
> slippery precedent.
>
> -jean
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Jim,
I appreciate your joke, and maybe we are somewhat like that. As
Michael just said (and I explained in response to your other post
already), some things are serial in nature. If a release takes X
weeks to finish we can't make it in (X - 1) or (X - X). Yeah, I wish
we weren't so sluggish.
Regarding external infrastructure. There are two pieces remaining -
the web site (which we will switch right after the release) and
Confluence. I'd like to follow up on Confluence. IIRC Cris
volunteered to participate in a test run of Confluence at Apache.
Cris do you know what's the status of that and whether we can migrate
at this point?
Andrus
On Jul 13, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> I tend to agree. Despite the amount of good solid work being
> done on the Project, I'm not seeing it really *becoming*
> an ASF project. Private Wikis, external infrastructure and
> what appears to be slow lagging transition towards
> "just" the ASF are items that need to be addressed.
>
> It's like someone engaged to be married but still dating
> their old girl-friend. "I'm breaking it off... really, I
> am!" :)
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
To make it even less of a sticky situation, I just got rid of the
committer area on wiki.
Andrus
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
I still think this particular case (which is not a private wiki used
for design, development or community discussion) to be a non-issue,
but others overwhelmingly think I am wrong, so instead of setting Jim
with access, I'll just post the contents here. Andrus
----------------
It's been a long road and lots of things happened along the way. An
increase in the minor release number (1.2 from 1.1) only reflects the
fact that upgrading is almost as simple as drag-and-drop replacement
of the jars. The users will find lots of new stuff that (mentioned in
more detail in the docs). I'll just go over a few important things here.
h3. Apache
A few months ago Cayenne has left its home at ObjectStyle.org and
moved to Apache Software Foundation incubator, with the goal of
expanding its community and becoming an Apache project. It was
decided to make 1.2 release from ObjectStyle to give our users the
time to plan the upgrade to the API that will have "org.objectstyle"
replaced with "org.apache". This also means that 1.2 release is not
endorsed by the Apache Software Foundation.
h3. Remote Object Persistence
[This feature|CAYDOC:Remote Object Persistence Introduction] turns
Cayenne into a unique data service that can be accessed by remote
applications. Currently this is just for Java applications (so it is
often used with Swing or SWT "rich" clients), but we are
contemplating clients in other languages. This is a pretty unique
feature that sets Cayenne apart from the competition.
h3. Modeler and Tools
It went from this:
!modeler1-1.jpg!
to this:
!modeler1-2.jpg!
And it is not just the face lift. The Modeler is faster. The Modeler
ships with native launchers for Windows and Mac. Attribute and
relationship buttons are in the right place. There is a way to
synchronize your classes with your tables. Modeler can emulate JNDI
environment for the local standalone Cayenne applications, and much
more.
"cgen" ant tasks got on some serious steroids. Check it out - now you
can use Cayenne mapping to generate not just persistent objects, but
supporting UI classes and such. It is much more flexible now.
h3. More Databases and Features Are Supported
1.2 adds new adapters for Derby, FrontBase and Ingres. Moreover the
right adapter is now guessed at runtime, so there is no need to
configure it manually, unless you customized it. 1.2 also adds
support for auto-generated columns (this feature is actually still
pretty raw in many JDBC drivers).
h3. Persistence Stack
Persistence stack is much more flexible. It now supports nested
DataContexts, distribution across remote tiers (already mentioned
above), custom queries (you can write your own query class if you
want to do something special at the JDBC level, or simply want to
resolve it to a bunch of standard queries at the right moment).
h3. What's Next
The immediate next step is to mirror the 1.2 release, only with
Apache package naming, and make it available to the public to
simplify migration. This would be a 2.0 release.
Then the new release (3.0) work starts. Our future goals are the
following:
* Make Cayenne a spec-compliant JPA provider, in addition to what it
does already.
* Switch CayenneModeler to use plugin architecture, so that users
could write extensions.
* Expand remote object persistence technology to include XML
transports and clients in other languages.
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
On 7/13/06, Jean T. Anderson <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:
> Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> ...
> > I also think that the unique situation that we're in with regards to
> > releasing Cayenne 1.2 justifies the delay in getting our external
> > resources merged into the incubator. We've been working on Cayenne
> > 1.2 for a year and a half. We've been a podling for three months.
> > Alienating our community just to expediate our incubation seems
> > counter-productive.
> >
> > So it's not a girlfriend holding up the wedding so much as a pending
> > divorce. :-)
>
> ouch! I think we need a different analogy. Divorce sounds so ....
> acrimonious. Maybe compare it to a move from Madrid to Geneva, or
> Chicago to Mexico City. The address definitely changes, as do some of
> the customs -- although less so with Cayenne because it started off as
> an open source project.
>
> Alienating a user community would never be desirable. For whatever it's
> worth, the Derby user base experienced significant changes between the
> old Cloudscape product and the first Derby product that went beyond just
> the namespace change to org.apache.derby. I hope none of them felt they
> were caught in the middle of a divorce! But I do know there was some
> scrambling to catch up.
What I'm trying to say (and maybe I tried to be too "cute" about it)
is that delays are due to pending tasks that must be finished (release
of objectstyle cayenne 1.2) to close out the objectstyle side of the
project. These tasks are going to be finished at some point --
there's a definite ending point -- but that date was intentionally
vague since we weren't able to predict when the product was
release-ready. These tasks are also essential (we're not going to
require our userbase to completely retrofit their applications to the
apache namespace just to use the final release for Cayenne 1.2).
The post by Jim makes it sound like we're intentionally dragging our
feet when in fact we're all very eager to finalize this release and
move on.
I also think the objectstyle community and the apache community are so
similar that I don't any issues for our user-base. The changes are
technical (svn instead of cvs, etc) and procedural (some things are
more formalized, but what's being done hasn't really changed) on the
dev side.
And just for anyone who missed the other thread, it sounds like the
release is going to happen over this weekend.
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Mike Kienenberger wrote:
...
> I also think that the unique situation that we're in with regards to
> releasing Cayenne 1.2 justifies the delay in getting our external
> resources merged into the incubator. We've been working on Cayenne
> 1.2 for a year and a half. We've been a podling for three months.
> Alienating our community just to expediate our incubation seems
> counter-productive.
>
> So it's not a girlfriend holding up the wedding so much as a pending
> divorce. :-)
ouch! I think we need a different analogy. Divorce sounds so ....
acrimonious. Maybe compare it to a move from Madrid to Geneva, or
Chicago to Mexico City. The address definitely changes, as do some of
the customs -- although less so with Cayenne because it started off as
an open source project.
Alienating a user community would never be desirable. For whatever it's
worth, the Derby user base experienced significant changes between the
old Cloudscape product and the first Derby product that went beyond just
the namespace change to org.apache.derby. I hope none of them felt they
were caught in the middle of a divorce! But I do know there was some
scrambling to catch up.
-jean
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
Just to provide a little historical perspective, the Cayenne project,
in the two years I've been a committer, never did anything in private
until we considered Apache incubation.
This includes votes for new committers which are held on the dev mailing list :)
(Here's my own committer vote thread:
http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/lists/cayenne-devel/2004/10/0028.html)
As far as I recall, the only thing in our private committer-only wiki
was the apache incubation proposal.
I also think that the unique situation that we're in with regards to
releasing Cayenne 1.2 justifies the delay in getting our external
resources merged into the incubator. We've been working on Cayenne
1.2 for a year and a half. We've been a podling for three months.
Alienating our community just to expediate our incubation seems
counter-productive.
So it's not a girlfriend holding up the wedding so much as a pending
divorce. :-)
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote:
...
> As for having 1 wiki page "private" out of the hundreds of pages on the
> wiki, that doesn't strike me as too bad.
Then I misunderstood the original post, which said:
> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the private committers-only Wiki:
Not knowing the objectstyle.org Wiki setup I didn't realize it was just
one page, but understood "Wiki" in the greater sense of a private area
set up for just committers. In any event, Andrus has already unlocked
that page, which is the right thing to do.
Moving forward, let's think in terms of keeping everything public. If
anything seems like it should be kept private, don't hesitate to ping
the Cayenne PPMC at cayenne-ppmc@incubator.apache.org.
-jean
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Gentry, Michael ((Contractor)) wrote:
>
> PS. What if the ex-girlfriend is HOT? :-)
>
Then you make sure your fiance' doesn't know. :)
RE: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Gentry, Michael (Contractor)" <mi...@fanniemae.com>.
The biggest reason you see Cayenne more ObjectStyle-oriented than
ASF-oriented at the moment is due to the fact that work on the Cayenne
1.2 release was well underway when incubation occurred. Work has been
done on both sides (issue tracking and subversion are now at ASF, but
wiki/docs are still on OS for now). We decided a while back that the
1.2 release would be done as an OS release (org.objectstyle.cayenne
package names, for example) and then when 1.2 went final, use it as the
cutover baseline to ASF. This will help existing users of the product
since they won't have to change all of their imports/etc. I know Andrus
is itching to get 1.2 out the door so we can make the ASF cutover and do
a full release out of incubation.
As for having 1 wiki page "private" out of the hundreds of pages on the
wiki, that doesn't strike me as too bad. Access was never denied to
anyone who wanted to see the announcement he was working on. The page
and what it was about was announced publicly. He was just looking for
some verbage feedback. Nothing sinister at all. A wiki is simply
easier for that type of information and the page will be unlocked very
soon.
Thanks,
/dev/mrg
PS. What if the ex-girlfriend is HOT? :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jaguNET.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:34 AM
To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Preview of the release announcement
On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Not to confuse things even more, but even if 1.2 were an Apache
>>> Incubator release it wouldn't be fully endorsed by the ASF.
>>> Quoting from
>>> the branding page, incubation indicates "that the project has
>>> yet to be
>>> fully endorsed by the ASF."
>>
>> True, but this doesn't contradict what I wrote there (1.2 is ot
>> endorsed). Still if anyone can suggest a better wording, please
>> do. Or
>> even better - go ahead and change it on Wiki.
>
> ah -- but changing it requires access to the private Wiki.
>
> I should have mentioned this with Andrus' first post. I'm
> fundamentally
> opposed to a committers-only Wiki. I don't think you'll find any
> private
> project Wikis at Apache.
>
> Developing anything in private, even a blog announcement, sets a
> slippery precedent.
I tend to agree. Despite the amount of good solid work being
done on the Project, I'm not seeing it really *becoming*
an ASF project. Private Wikis, external infrastructure and
what appears to be slow lagging transition towards
"just" the ASF are items that need to be addressed.
It's like someone engaged to be married but still dating
their old girl-friend. "I'm breaking it off... really, I
am!" :)
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Not to confuse things even more, but even if 1.2 were an Apache
>>> Incubator release it wouldn't be fully endorsed by the ASF.
>>> Quoting from
>>> the branding page, incubation indicates "that the project has
>>> yet to be
>>> fully endorsed by the ASF."
>>
>> True, but this doesn't contradict what I wrote there (1.2 is ot
>> endorsed). Still if anyone can suggest a better wording, please
>> do. Or
>> even better - go ahead and change it on Wiki.
>
> ah -- but changing it requires access to the private Wiki.
>
> I should have mentioned this with Andrus' first post. I'm
> fundamentally
> opposed to a committers-only Wiki. I don't think you'll find any
> private
> project Wikis at Apache.
>
> Developing anything in private, even a blog announcement, sets a
> slippery precedent.
I tend to agree. Despite the amount of good solid work being
done on the Project, I'm not seeing it really *becoming*
an ASF project. Private Wikis, external infrastructure and
what appears to be slow lagging transition towards
"just" the ASF are items that need to be addressed.
It's like someone engaged to be married but still dating
their old girl-friend. "I'm breaking it off... really, I
am!" :)
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Not to confuse things even more, but even if 1.2 were an Apache
>> Incubator release it wouldn't be fully endorsed by the ASF. Quoting from
>> the branding page, incubation indicates "that the project has yet to be
>> fully endorsed by the ASF."
>
> True, but this doesn't contradict what I wrote there (1.2 is ot
> endorsed). Still if anyone can suggest a better wording, please do. Or
> even better - go ahead and change it on Wiki.
ah -- but changing it requires access to the private Wiki.
I should have mentioned this with Andrus' first post. I'm fundamentally
opposed to a committers-only Wiki. I don't think you'll find any private
project Wikis at Apache.
Developing anything in private, even a blog announcement, sets a
slippery precedent.
-jean
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Not to confuse things even more, but even if 1.2 were an Apache
> Incubator release it wouldn't be fully endorsed by the ASF. Quoting
> from
> the branding page, incubation indicates "that the project has yet
> to be
> fully endorsed by the ASF."
True, but this doesn't contradict what I wrote there (1.2 is ot
endorsed). Still if anyone can suggest a better wording, please do.
Or even better - go ahead and change it on Wiki.
Andrus
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> BTW, just added a phrase "This also means that 1.2 release is not
> endorsed by the Apache Software Foundation." to the announcement to be
> very clear on that.
Not to confuse things even more, but even if 1.2 were an Apache
Incubator release it wouldn't be fully endorsed by the ASF. Quoting from
the branding page, incubation indicates "that the project has yet to be
fully endorsed by the ASF."
At any rate, here's that complete paragraph in the Apache section to
make it easy for everyone (especially the mentors) to sanity check:
"A few months ago Cayenne has left its home at ObjectStyle.org and moved
to Apache Software Foundation incubator, with the goal of expanding its
community and becoming an Apache project. It was decided to make 1.2
release from ObjectStyle to give our users the time to plan the upgrade
to the API that will have "org.objectstyle" replaced with "org.apache".
This also means that 1.2 release is not endorsed by the Apache Software
Foundation."
does anyone recommend any changes?
-jean
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 5:49 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
>> Branding guidelines make total sense, except that this is not a press
>> release (we do not distribute it via AP wire or anything like that),
>> it is just a draft of a post on the project blog (something also
>> mentioned in the branding guidelines). Besides it clearly states in
>> the relevant paragraph, that 1.2 goes out as ObjectStyle.
>>
>> Although we need to put disclaimer on the website - I'll do that.
>>
>>> While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release day,
>>> I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
>>> cayenne-dev@ .
>>
>>
>> Like I said, I don't have strong feelings either way, but keep in
>> mind that this is just a blog post we are talking about here.
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> And I can get in now -- thanks. :-)
>>>
>>> Since it mentions incubation, it should also include the standard
>>> disclaimer that it has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF. Complete
>>> guidelines are here:
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>>
>>> While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release day,
>>> I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
>>> cayenne-dev@ .
>>>
>>> not meaning to spoil anyone's fun,
>>>
>>> -jean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>
>>>> Never mind. This is the end of the day and I am doing stupid
>>>> things...
>>>> Sure enough I added your permissions on the Apache Jira instance, not
>>>> the ObjectStyle one :-)
>>>>
>>>> You should be ok now.
>>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can confirm that Jira permissions didn't get through to the
>>>>> Confluence (even after restart). Dow! It didn't happen on older
>>>>> versions of Confluence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like Confluence is caching permissions somewhere [1].
>>>>> Trying to
>>>>> figure out where.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Performance+Tuning
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jean,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you should have access now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not quite -- I get
>>>>>> "You do not have permission to view this page."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the
>>>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>>>> committers-only Wiki:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to
>>>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>>>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors
>>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
>>>>>>>>> ObjectStyle).
>>>>>>>>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register
>>>>>>>>> an id
>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions to
>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -jean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
BTW, just added a phrase "This also means that 1.2 release is not
endorsed by the Apache Software Foundation." to the announcement to
be very clear on that.
Andrus
On Jul 12, 2006, at 5:49 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Branding guidelines make total sense, except that this is not a
> press release (we do not distribute it via AP wire or anything like
> that), it is just a draft of a post on the project blog (something
> also mentioned in the branding guidelines). Besides it clearly
> states in the relevant paragraph, that 1.2 goes out as ObjectStyle.
>
> Although we need to put disclaimer on the website - I'll do that.
>
>> While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release
>> day,
>> I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
>> cayenne-dev@ .
>
> Like I said, I don't have strong feelings either way, but keep in
> mind that this is just a blog post we are talking about here.
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> And I can get in now -- thanks. :-)
>>
>> Since it mentions incubation, it should also include the standard
>> disclaimer that it has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF. Complete
>> guidelines are here:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>
>> While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release
>> day,
>> I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
>> cayenne-dev@ .
>>
>> not meaning to spoil anyone's fun,
>>
>> -jean
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>> Never mind. This is the end of the day and I am doing stupid
>>> things...
>>> Sure enough I added your permissions on the Apache Jira
>>> instance, not
>>> the ObjectStyle one :-)
>>>
>>> You should be ok now.
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can confirm that Jira permissions didn't get through to the
>>>> Confluence (even after restart). Dow! It didn't happen on older
>>>> versions of Confluence.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like Confluence is caching permissions somewhere [1].
>>>> Trying to
>>>> figure out where.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Performance+Tuning
>>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jean,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you should have access now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not quite -- I get
>>>>> "You do not have permission to view this page."
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> -jean
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the
>>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>>> committers-only Wiki:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to
>>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator
>>>>>>>> mentors
>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
>>>>>>>> ObjectStyle).
>>>>>>>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register
>>>>>>>> an id
>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the
>>>>>>>> permissions to
>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -jean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Branding guidelines make total sense, except that this is not a press
release (we do not distribute it via AP wire or anything like that),
it is just a draft of a post on the project blog (something also
mentioned in the branding guidelines). Besides it clearly states in
the relevant paragraph, that 1.2 goes out as ObjectStyle.
Although we need to put disclaimer on the website - I'll do that.
> While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release
> day,
> I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
> cayenne-dev@ .
Like I said, I don't have strong feelings either way, but keep in
mind that this is just a blog post we are talking about here.
Andrus
On Jul 12, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> And I can get in now -- thanks. :-)
>
> Since it mentions incubation, it should also include the standard
> disclaimer that it has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF. Complete
> guidelines are here:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
> While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release
> day,
> I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
> cayenne-dev@ .
>
> not meaning to spoil anyone's fun,
>
> -jean
>
>
>
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> Never mind. This is the end of the day and I am doing stupid
>> things...
>> Sure enough I added your permissions on the Apache Jira instance,
>> not
>> the ObjectStyle one :-)
>>
>> You should be ok now.
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>>> I can confirm that Jira permissions didn't get through to the
>>> Confluence (even after restart). Dow! It didn't happen on older
>>> versions of Confluence.
>>>
>>> Looks like Confluence is caching permissions somewhere [1].
>>> Trying to
>>> figure out where.
>>>
>>> [1] http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Performance+Tuning
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jean,
>>>>>
>>>>> you should have access now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not quite -- I get
>>>> "You do not have permission to view this page."
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> -jean
>>>>
>>>>> Andrus
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the
>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>> committers-only Wiki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to
>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors
>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
>>>>>>> ObjectStyle).
>>>>>>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register
>>>>>>> an id
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions to
>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
And I can get in now -- thanks. :-)
Since it mentions incubation, it should also include the standard
disclaimer that it has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF. Complete
guidelines are here:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
While I appreciate the sentiment to "not spoil the fun" on release day,
I think discussion about the release notes belongs in public on
cayenne-dev@ .
not meaning to spoil anyone's fun,
-jean
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Never mind. This is the end of the day and I am doing stupid things...
> Sure enough I added your permissions on the Apache Jira instance, not
> the ObjectStyle one :-)
>
> You should be ok now.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
>> I can confirm that Jira permissions didn't get through to the
>> Confluence (even after restart). Dow! It didn't happen on older
>> versions of Confluence.
>>
>> Looks like Confluence is caching permissions somewhere [1]. Trying to
>> figure out where.
>>
>> [1] http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Performance+Tuning
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jean,
>>>>
>>>> you should have access now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not quite -- I get
>>> "You do not have permission to view this page."
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> -jean
>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the private
>>>>>> committers-only Wiki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to avoid
>>>>>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors
>>>>>> do not
>>>>>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
>>>>>> ObjectStyle).
>>>>>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register an id
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions to
>>>>>> access
>>>>>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> -jean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Never mind. This is the end of the day and I am doing stupid
things... Sure enough I added your permissions on the Apache Jira
instance, not the ObjectStyle one :-)
You should be ok now.
Andrus
On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> I can confirm that Jira permissions didn't get through to the
> Confluence (even after restart). Dow! It didn't happen on older
> versions of Confluence.
>
> Looks like Confluence is caching permissions somewhere [1]. Trying
> to figure out where.
>
> [1] http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Performance+Tuning
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>> Jean,
>>>
>>> you should have access now.
>>
>> Not quite -- I get
>> "You do not have permission to view this page."
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> -jean
>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the
>>>>> private
>>>>> committers-only Wiki:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to avoid
>>>>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator
>>>>> mentors do not
>>>>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
>>>>> ObjectStyle).
>>>>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register an id
>>>>> under
>>>>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions
>>>>> to access
>>>>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> -jean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
I can confirm that Jira permissions didn't get through to the
Confluence (even after restart). Dow! It didn't happen on older
versions of Confluence.
Looks like Confluence is caching permissions somewhere [1]. Trying to
figure out where.
[1] http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Performance+Tuning
Andrus
On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> Jean,
>>
>> you should have access now.
>
> Not quite -- I get
> "You do not have permission to view this page."
>
> thanks,
>
> -jean
>
>> Andrus
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the private
>>>> committers-only Wiki:
>>>>
>>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>>>
>>>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to avoid
>>>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>>>
>>>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors
>>>> do not
>>>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
>>>> ObjectStyle).
>>>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register an id
>>>> under
>>>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions to
>>>> access
>>>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>>>
>>>
>>> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> -jean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Jean,
>
> you should have access now.
Not quite -- I get
"You do not have permission to view this page."
thanks,
-jean
> Andrus
>
> On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the private
>>> committers-only Wiki:
>>>
>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>>
>>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to avoid
>>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>>
>>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors do not
>>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on ObjectStyle).
>>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register an id
>>> under
>>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions to access
>>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>>
>>
>> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> -jean
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Jean,
you should have access now.
Andrus
On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the private
>> committers-only Wiki:
>>
>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>>
>> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to avoid
>> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>>
>> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors
>> do not
>> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on
>> ObjectStyle).
>> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register an id
>> under
>> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions to
>> access
>> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
>
> sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
>
> thanks,
>
> -jean
>
>
>
Re: Preview of the release announcement
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> I just put a preview of Cayenne release announcement on the private
> committers-only Wiki:
>
> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/x/4AY
>
> Nothing that our users do not know already, still decided to avoid
> spoiling the fun on the release date :-)
>
> Please comment and modify it on the Wiki. Our Incubator mentors do not
> have access to this currently (as Confluence is still on ObjectStyle).
> If Jim, Jean, Brian want to review/comment, please register an id under
> ObjectStyle jira and let me know - I'll set the permissions to access
> this page: http://objectstyle.org/jira
sure, count me in. I registered as 'jta'.
thanks,
-jean