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Posted to dev@royale.apache.org by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> on 2018/09/24 15:49:13 UTC
Apache Royale Jewel Browser List supported
Hi,
today I was testing Jewel in Browserstack to see minimum versions required
to see Jewel Example without problems.
This is the list:
Desktop
- *Chrome v44* - (released *July,21, 2015*)
- *Firefox v34* - (released *Dec, 1, 2014*)
- *Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 y Edge 15*
- *Safari 11.1, Mac OS X High Sierra, *(released* Feb, 22 2018*)
Mobile
- *iOS 11. 19 *(release* Sep 2017*)
- *Android 5*, (released, *2014*) , although I think Android devices can be
very different between manufactures, so maybe is not as easy, I tried with
Samsung Galaxy different models and versions)
I'll put this info on the wiki
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Apache Royale Jewel Browser List supported
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi,
to add to what Greg said in his email: I remember Alex and others talk in
some thread (maybe when Royale was FlexJS time) about
rise the barrier from IE9 to IE10 at least. Maybe to IE11 too, but I can
ensure that. If that's the case, I think compiler and framework was
populated with changes that are only supported for that versions. I didn't
make a research in flexjs list so I could be wrong.
El mar., 3 sept. 2019 a las 10:00, Greg Dove (<gr...@gmail.com>)
escribió:
> Hi Piotr,
>
> Royale might work for IE9 for some things, but I think (my opinion) it is
> fair to say that it is probably only reliable with IE11 as the base 'IE'
> browser. Some as3 language level features or core types may not reasonable
> before that. I don't think IE9 had TypedArrays for example, which means
> things like BinaryData won't work, and all the AMF remoting stuff etc, as
> one example.
>
> If someone is insisting on IE9 compatibility, then it might be possible to
> get there by limiting what you use, or with some es5 polyfills. Polyfills
> are standard practice for this type of thing when you need to do it with
> React or whatever, but I don't think others are doing this yet with Royale
> (I might be wrong).
> For the older IE browsers, I assume the flash player will continue to work
> if the browser is in a contained environment like some sort of intranet
> (which it probably should be), and therefore should continue to run the
> original flex app... so when I have spoken to clients about Royale IE
> compatibility, IE11 seems to be a common base, with most people (or at
> least one of them: me) waiting for it to fade away as soon as possible. But
> that doesn't mean that it's easy to convince everybody.
> Aside from that, the general problem with older browsers is that actively
> supporting them prolongs the 'problem' of needing to support them. At the
> moment I would not be inclined to say that Royale supported IE9, and
> hesitant about IE10 - but again it depends what you use. Hello World might
> work... but that's not really an app.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 7:35 PM Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Carlos,
> >
> > I thought that Royale can work even in IE9. Jewel not but Basic should. I
> > recall this information I think when we were FlexJS.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > wt., 3 wrz 2019 o 09:31 Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > others could say if I'm wrong or not but I think minimum version for IE
> > is
> > > 11.
> > > But take into account that in the case of IE, users always can run
> normal
> > > old flex version.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > El mar., 3 sept. 2019 a las 6:13, Chris Velevitch (<
> > > chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > >
> > > > Does Royale need to use strict? I ask this because IE9 doesn't
> support
> > > > ES5 use strict.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 15:41, Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Chris,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think nobody makes a test for this. But Royale uses ES5 at
> compiler
> > > > > level, so all browsers that support that ES version should work [1]
> > > > >
> > > > > For Jewel the page is this [2]
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_versions.asp
> > > > > [2] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/component-sets/jewel.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > El jue., 29 ago. 2019 a las 7:19, Chris Velevitch (<
> > > > > chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a list of supported browsers for non-Jewel based apps?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 23:49, Carlos Rovira <
> > carlosrovira@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > today I was testing Jewel in Browserstack to see minimum
> versions
> > > > > > required
> > > > > > > to see Jewel Example without problems.
> > > > > > > This is the list:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Desktop
> > > > > > > - *Chrome v44* - (released *July,21, 2015*)
> > > > > > > - *Firefox v34* - (released *Dec, 1, 2014*)
> > > > > > > - *Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 y Edge 15*
> > > > > > > - *Safari 11.1, Mac OS X High Sierra, *(released* Feb, 22
> 2018*)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mobile
> > > > > > > - *iOS 11. 19 *(release* Sep 2017*)
> > > > > > > - *Android 5*, (released, *2014*) , although I think Android
> > > devices
> > > > can
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > very different between manufactures, so maybe is not as easy, I
> > > tried
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > Samsung Galaxy different models and versions)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll put this info on the wiki
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Chris Velevitch
> > > > > > m: 0415 469 095
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > --
> > > > Chris Velevitch
> > > > m: 0415 469 095
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
> > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
> >
>
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Apache Royale Jewel Browser List supported
Posted by Greg Dove <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hi Piotr,
Royale might work for IE9 for some things, but I think (my opinion) it is
fair to say that it is probably only reliable with IE11 as the base 'IE'
browser. Some as3 language level features or core types may not reasonable
before that. I don't think IE9 had TypedArrays for example, which means
things like BinaryData won't work, and all the AMF remoting stuff etc, as
one example.
If someone is insisting on IE9 compatibility, then it might be possible to
get there by limiting what you use, or with some es5 polyfills. Polyfills
are standard practice for this type of thing when you need to do it with
React or whatever, but I don't think others are doing this yet with Royale
(I might be wrong).
For the older IE browsers, I assume the flash player will continue to work
if the browser is in a contained environment like some sort of intranet
(which it probably should be), and therefore should continue to run the
original flex app... so when I have spoken to clients about Royale IE
compatibility, IE11 seems to be a common base, with most people (or at
least one of them: me) waiting for it to fade away as soon as possible. But
that doesn't mean that it's easy to convince everybody.
Aside from that, the general problem with older browsers is that actively
supporting them prolongs the 'problem' of needing to support them. At the
moment I would not be inclined to say that Royale supported IE9, and
hesitant about IE10 - but again it depends what you use. Hello World might
work... but that's not really an app.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 7:35 PM Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> I thought that Royale can work even in IE9. Jewel not but Basic should. I
> recall this information I think when we were FlexJS.
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> wt., 3 wrz 2019 o 09:31 Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> napisał(a):
>
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > others could say if I'm wrong or not but I think minimum version for IE
> is
> > 11.
> > But take into account that in the case of IE, users always can run normal
> > old flex version.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > El mar., 3 sept. 2019 a las 6:13, Chris Velevitch (<
> > chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
> >
> > > Does Royale need to use strict? I ask this because IE9 doesn't support
> > > ES5 use strict.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 15:41, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Chris,
> > > >
> > > > I think nobody makes a test for this. But Royale uses ES5 at compiler
> > > > level, so all browsers that support that ES version should work [1]
> > > >
> > > > For Jewel the page is this [2]
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_versions.asp
> > > > [2] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/component-sets/jewel.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > El jue., 29 ago. 2019 a las 7:19, Chris Velevitch (<
> > > > chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a list of supported browsers for non-Jewel based apps?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 23:49, Carlos Rovira <
> carlosrovira@apache.org
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > today I was testing Jewel in Browserstack to see minimum versions
> > > > > required
> > > > > > to see Jewel Example without problems.
> > > > > > This is the list:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Desktop
> > > > > > - *Chrome v44* - (released *July,21, 2015*)
> > > > > > - *Firefox v34* - (released *Dec, 1, 2014*)
> > > > > > - *Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 y Edge 15*
> > > > > > - *Safari 11.1, Mac OS X High Sierra, *(released* Feb, 22 2018*)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mobile
> > > > > > - *iOS 11. 19 *(release* Sep 2017*)
> > > > > > - *Android 5*, (released, *2014*) , although I think Android
> > devices
> > > can
> > > > > be
> > > > > > very different between manufactures, so maybe is not as easy, I
> > tried
> > > > > with
> > > > > > Samsung Galaxy different models and versions)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll put this info on the wiki
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > > --
> > > > > Chris Velevitch
> > > > > m: 0415 469 095
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > --
> > > Chris Velevitch
> > > m: 0415 469 095
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
>
Re: Apache Royale Jewel Browser List supported
Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.
Carlos,
I thought that Royale can work even in IE9. Jewel not but Basic should. I
recall this information I think when we were FlexJS.
Thanks,
Piotr
wt., 3 wrz 2019 o 09:31 Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> napisał(a):
> Hi Chris,
>
> others could say if I'm wrong or not but I think minimum version for IE is
> 11.
> But take into account that in the case of IE, users always can run normal
> old flex version.
>
> thanks
>
> Carlos
>
> El mar., 3 sept. 2019 a las 6:13, Chris Velevitch (<
> chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
> > Does Royale need to use strict? I ask this because IE9 doesn't support
> > ES5 use strict.
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 15:41, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > I think nobody makes a test for this. But Royale uses ES5 at compiler
> > > level, so all browsers that support that ES version should work [1]
> > >
> > > For Jewel the page is this [2]
> > >
> > > [1] https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_versions.asp
> > > [2] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/component-sets/jewel.html
> > >
> > >
> > > El jue., 29 ago. 2019 a las 7:19, Chris Velevitch (<
> > > chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > >
> > > > Is there a list of supported browsers for non-Jewel based apps?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 23:49, Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > today I was testing Jewel in Browserstack to see minimum versions
> > > > required
> > > > > to see Jewel Example without problems.
> > > > > This is the list:
> > > > >
> > > > > Desktop
> > > > > - *Chrome v44* - (released *July,21, 2015*)
> > > > > - *Firefox v34* - (released *Dec, 1, 2014*)
> > > > > - *Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 y Edge 15*
> > > > > - *Safari 11.1, Mac OS X High Sierra, *(released* Feb, 22 2018*)
> > > > >
> > > > > Mobile
> > > > > - *iOS 11. 19 *(release* Sep 2017*)
> > > > > - *Android 5*, (released, *2014*) , although I think Android
> devices
> > can
> > > > be
> > > > > very different between manufactures, so maybe is not as easy, I
> tried
> > > > with
> > > > > Samsung Galaxy different models and versions)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll put this info on the wiki
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > --
> > > > Chris Velevitch
> > > > m: 0415 469 095
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Chris
> > --
> > Chris Velevitch
> > m: 0415 469 095
> >
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
--
Piotr Zarzycki
Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
<https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
Re: Apache Royale Jewel Browser List supported
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi Chris,
others could say if I'm wrong or not but I think minimum version for IE is
11.
But take into account that in the case of IE, users always can run normal
old flex version.
thanks
Carlos
El mar., 3 sept. 2019 a las 6:13, Chris Velevitch (<
chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Does Royale need to use strict? I ask this because IE9 doesn't support
> ES5 use strict.
>
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 15:41, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > I think nobody makes a test for this. But Royale uses ES5 at compiler
> > level, so all browsers that support that ES version should work [1]
> >
> > For Jewel the page is this [2]
> >
> > [1] https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_versions.asp
> > [2] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/component-sets/jewel.html
> >
> >
> > El jue., 29 ago. 2019 a las 7:19, Chris Velevitch (<
> > chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
> >
> > > Is there a list of supported browsers for non-Jewel based apps?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 23:49, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > today I was testing Jewel in Browserstack to see minimum versions
> > > required
> > > > to see Jewel Example without problems.
> > > > This is the list:
> > > >
> > > > Desktop
> > > > - *Chrome v44* - (released *July,21, 2015*)
> > > > - *Firefox v34* - (released *Dec, 1, 2014*)
> > > > - *Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 y Edge 15*
> > > > - *Safari 11.1, Mac OS X High Sierra, *(released* Feb, 22 2018*)
> > > >
> > > > Mobile
> > > > - *iOS 11. 19 *(release* Sep 2017*)
> > > > - *Android 5*, (released, *2014*) , although I think Android devices
> can
> > > be
> > > > very different between manufactures, so maybe is not as easy, I tried
> > > with
> > > > Samsung Galaxy different models and versions)
> > > >
> > > > I'll put this info on the wiki
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > --
> > > Chris Velevitch
> > > m: 0415 469 095
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Velevitch
> m: 0415 469 095
>
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Apache Royale Jewel Browser List supported
Posted by Chris Velevitch <ch...@gmail.com>.
Does Royale need to use strict? I ask this because IE9 doesn't support
ES5 use strict.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 15:41, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I think nobody makes a test for this. But Royale uses ES5 at compiler
> level, so all browsers that support that ES version should work [1]
>
> For Jewel the page is this [2]
>
> [1] https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_versions.asp
> [2] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/component-sets/jewel.html
>
>
> El jue., 29 ago. 2019 a las 7:19, Chris Velevitch (<
> chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
> > Is there a list of supported browsers for non-Jewel based apps?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 23:49, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > today I was testing Jewel in Browserstack to see minimum versions
> > required
> > > to see Jewel Example without problems.
> > > This is the list:
> > >
> > > Desktop
> > > - *Chrome v44* - (released *July,21, 2015*)
> > > - *Firefox v34* - (released *Dec, 1, 2014*)
> > > - *Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 y Edge 15*
> > > - *Safari 11.1, Mac OS X High Sierra, *(released* Feb, 22 2018*)
> > >
> > > Mobile
> > > - *iOS 11. 19 *(release* Sep 2017*)
> > > - *Android 5*, (released, *2014*) , although I think Android devices can
> > be
> > > very different between manufactures, so maybe is not as easy, I tried
> > with
> > > Samsung Galaxy different models and versions)
> > >
> > > I'll put this info on the wiki
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Chris
> > --
> > Chris Velevitch
> > m: 0415 469 095
> >
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
--
Chris
--
Chris Velevitch
m: 0415 469 095
Re: Apache Royale Jewel Browser List supported
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi Chris,
I think nobody makes a test for this. But Royale uses ES5 at compiler
level, so all browsers that support that ES version should work [1]
For Jewel the page is this [2]
[1] https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_versions.asp
[2] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/component-sets/jewel.html
El jue., 29 ago. 2019 a las 7:19, Chris Velevitch (<
chris.velevitch@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Is there a list of supported browsers for non-Jewel based apps?
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 23:49, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > today I was testing Jewel in Browserstack to see minimum versions
> required
> > to see Jewel Example without problems.
> > This is the list:
> >
> > Desktop
> > - *Chrome v44* - (released *July,21, 2015*)
> > - *Firefox v34* - (released *Dec, 1, 2014*)
> > - *Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 y Edge 15*
> > - *Safari 11.1, Mac OS X High Sierra, *(released* Feb, 22 2018*)
> >
> > Mobile
> > - *iOS 11. 19 *(release* Sep 2017*)
> > - *Android 5*, (released, *2014*) , although I think Android devices can
> be
> > very different between manufactures, so maybe is not as easy, I tried
> with
> > Samsung Galaxy different models and versions)
> >
> > I'll put this info on the wiki
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Velevitch
> m: 0415 469 095
>
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Apache Royale Jewel Browser List supported
Posted by Chris Velevitch <ch...@gmail.com>.
Is there a list of supported browsers for non-Jewel based apps?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 23:49, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> today I was testing Jewel in Browserstack to see minimum versions required
> to see Jewel Example without problems.
> This is the list:
>
> Desktop
> - *Chrome v44* - (released *July,21, 2015*)
> - *Firefox v34* - (released *Dec, 1, 2014*)
> - *Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 y Edge 15*
> - *Safari 11.1, Mac OS X High Sierra, *(released* Feb, 22 2018*)
>
> Mobile
> - *iOS 11. 19 *(release* Sep 2017*)
> - *Android 5*, (released, *2014*) , although I think Android devices can be
> very different between manufactures, so maybe is not as easy, I tried with
> Samsung Galaxy different models and versions)
>
> I'll put this info on the wiki
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
--
Chris
--
Chris Velevitch
m: 0415 469 095