Re: [TGIF] RE: [Friday] Re: [VOTE] Should this list discontinueit's long, treasured heritage

[Dave Derry <dd...@acm.org>]

+1 on that!

As a long time lurker on this list I'd like to add my $0.02 to this
discussion.  I agree with Cliff and Andrew (and Joel) that the value of this
list goes beyond just Struts issues. This is not a support forum, a help
line, or 411 (that's the # for information for those of you not in the US),
but it is a community. No one is developing with Struts in a vacuum. Struts
is a tool being used for software development/engineering. We all also use a
number of other tools and technologies. And, like Cliff, I find that
discussions about these other tools and techniques is a "broadening'
experience. Yes there are other forums that are more appropriate for
discussing those tools, if you are interested in in-depth discussions or
resolutions to technical problems with those tools. But, as a community,
sharing of information and experiences, IMHO, is entirely appropriate.

I also feel that the REALLY OT banter serves a purpose in helping to relieve
stress. And we all deal with stress!. It also helps to cement the sense of
community and camaraderie that is a hall mark of this list (and which makes
it the most interesting list that I subscribe to). And I don't know how many
of you have noticed, but the people who are "wasting" bandwidth with OT
banter are some of those who contribute the most to this list. I personally
get much more annoyed by the bandwidth that gets wasted with the same inane
questions over and over because so many people are to lazy to a)check the
archives, b)read the docs, or c)try something before asking "Will this
work?". You won't get far in this business by taking the easy way out, or
expecting someone else to give you the answer/solution to easy
questions/problems.

Sorry for the long post.

Dave Derry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Rowley" <cl...@onsea.net>
To: <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TGIF] RE: [Friday] Re: [VOTE] Should this list discontinueit's
long, treasured heritage


> +1 Yep yep, definitely agree (already voted, not trying to vote again).
> I started the XP discussion off, and the reason I asked here was because
> I was curious to know how developers using Struts and related
> technologies use XP, or not - because if I were to learn and adopt it
> (which I am, incidentally) I would be using Struts and related
> technologies.  I'm pretty sure there were people lurking who also
> benefited from the whole discussion too.  So in terms of Struts support,
> it was off topic - but in terms of development using Struts, I think it
> was perhaps on topic.
>
> Thin line, as you can see - but it's not just the every day usage of
> Struts that is important to developers using Struts.  In fact, as a
> result of another 'off-topic' discussion, I am now evaluating IntelliJ
> Idea - which has made another part of my job more tolerable :)
>
> >
> > But I'm thinking about how war stories mixed into a good college lecture
> > generally seemed to improve retention for the whole class. Sometimes it
> > did get out of hand, but the benefit was greater than the cost.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > (And it is Friday for me here.)
> >
> > --
> > Joel Rees <jo...@alpsgiken.gr.jp>



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