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putting the alphas on the website downloads section
I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older supported
releases" section in the downloads page? I'd make it clear that this is
alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
Jon
Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section
Posted by Jon Haddad <jo...@jonhaddad.com>.
Seems reasonable. I can set up that wiki page and update the website at
the end of the week, unless someone else gets to it first.
Maybe I should know this already - is there a nightly build that's already
created we could also point people to?
Jon
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 2:59 PM Michael Shuler <mi...@pbandjelly.org>
wrote:
> wiki != project website
>
> I think this sounds completely reasonable for a wiki page, and anyone
> can edit easily. Good suggestion.
>
> Michael
>
> On 11/4/19 3:18 PM, Joshua McKenzie wrote:
> > Is there an opportunity to consider a separate "upcoming release testing"
> > type page with downloads to alpha releases? Sounds like, as per letter of
> > the law, we wouldn't that on the official project page but getting
> > something going where we can have project-wide "test out this alpha" or
> > where individual devs could post builds of a feature they're working on
> at
> > similar milestones (alpha, beta, etc) might be helpful in terms of
> getting
> > a healthier dev <-> user feedback cycle going on some things. Maybe a
> wiki
> > page with this type of information?
> >
> > Ultimately I'd like to see a way for us to reduce friction to users
> getting
> > involved in the testing of C* if possible without crossing that line into
> > risking people running alpha code on accident in a production
> environment.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Michael Shuler <mi...@pbandjelly.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I will also add that I did send the user@ list 4.0-alpha release notes,
> >> along with dev@, and also added to the @cassandra tweet last week. I
> >> thought those were acceptable to get a little wider audience, but didn't
> >> want to link from downloads page, since this is explicit.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> On 11/4/19 2:06 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:
> >>> -1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)
> >>>
> >>> "During the process of developing software and preparing a release,
> >>> various packages are made available to the developer community for
> >>> testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that
> >>> might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds,
> >>> snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only
> >>> people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people
> >>> following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of
> the
> >>> conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public
> >>> are downloading such test packages, then remove them."
> >>>
> >>> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
> >>>> I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable
> >>>> on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us
> >>>> feedback around it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dinesh
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad <jo...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
> >>>>> Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older
> >>>>> supported
> >>>>> releases" section in the downloads page? I'd make it clear that this
> >> is
> >>>>> alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jon
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section
Posted by Michael Shuler <mi...@pbandjelly.org>.
wiki != project website
I think this sounds completely reasonable for a wiki page, and anyone
can edit easily. Good suggestion.
Michael
On 11/4/19 3:18 PM, Joshua McKenzie wrote:
> Is there an opportunity to consider a separate "upcoming release testing"
> type page with downloads to alpha releases? Sounds like, as per letter of
> the law, we wouldn't that on the official project page but getting
> something going where we can have project-wide "test out this alpha" or
> where individual devs could post builds of a feature they're working on at
> similar milestones (alpha, beta, etc) might be helpful in terms of getting
> a healthier dev <-> user feedback cycle going on some things. Maybe a wiki
> page with this type of information?
>
> Ultimately I'd like to see a way for us to reduce friction to users getting
> involved in the testing of C* if possible without crossing that line into
> risking people running alpha code on accident in a production environment.
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Michael Shuler <mi...@pbandjelly.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I will also add that I did send the user@ list 4.0-alpha release notes,
>> along with dev@, and also added to the @cassandra tweet last week. I
>> thought those were acceptable to get a little wider audience, but didn't
>> want to link from downloads page, since this is explicit.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On 11/4/19 2:06 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:
>>> -1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)
>>>
>>> "During the process of developing software and preparing a release,
>>> various packages are made available to the developer community for
>>> testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that
>>> might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds,
>>> snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only
>>> people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people
>>> following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the
>>> conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public
>>> are downloading such test packages, then remove them."
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
>>>> I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable
>>>> on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us
>>>> feedback around it.
>>>>
>>>> Dinesh
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad <jo...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
>>>>> Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older
>>>>> supported
>>>>> releases" section in the downloads page? I'd make it clear that this
>> is
>>>>> alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>
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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section
Posted by Joshua McKenzie <jm...@apache.org>.
Is there an opportunity to consider a separate "upcoming release testing"
type page with downloads to alpha releases? Sounds like, as per letter of
the law, we wouldn't that on the official project page but getting
something going where we can have project-wide "test out this alpha" or
where individual devs could post builds of a feature they're working on at
similar milestones (alpha, beta, etc) might be helpful in terms of getting
a healthier dev <-> user feedback cycle going on some things. Maybe a wiki
page with this type of information?
Ultimately I'd like to see a way for us to reduce friction to users getting
involved in the testing of C* if possible without crossing that line into
risking people running alpha code on accident in a production environment.
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Michael Shuler <mi...@pbandjelly.org>
wrote:
> I will also add that I did send the user@ list 4.0-alpha release notes,
> along with dev@, and also added to the @cassandra tweet last week. I
> thought those were acceptable to get a little wider audience, but didn't
> want to link from downloads page, since this is explicit.
>
> Michael
>
> On 11/4/19 2:06 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:
> > -1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)
> >
> > "During the process of developing software and preparing a release,
> > various packages are made available to the developer community for
> > testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that
> > might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds,
> > snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only
> > people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people
> > following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the
> > conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public
> > are downloading such test packages, then remove them."
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
> >> I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable
> >> on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us
> >> feedback around it.
> >>
> >> Dinesh
> >>
> >>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad <jo...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
> >>> Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older
> >>> supported
> >>> releases" section in the downloads page? I'd make it clear that this
> is
> >>> alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
> >>>
> >>> http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
> >>>
> >>> Jon
> >>
> >>
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> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cassandra.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cassandra.apache.org
> >>
>
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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section
Posted by Michael Shuler <mi...@pbandjelly.org>.
I will also add that I did send the user@ list 4.0-alpha release notes,
along with dev@, and also added to the @cassandra tweet last week. I
thought those were acceptable to get a little wider audience, but didn't
want to link from downloads page, since this is explicit.
Michael
On 11/4/19 2:06 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:
> -1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)
>
> "During the process of developing software and preparing a release,
> various packages are made available to the developer community for
> testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that
> might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds,
> snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only
> people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people
> following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the
> conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public
> are downloading such test packages, then remove them."
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what
>
> Michael
>
> On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
>> I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable
>> on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us
>> feedback around it.
>>
>> Dinesh
>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad <jo...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
>>> Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older
>>> supported
>>> releases" section in the downloads page? I'd make it clear that this is
>>> alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
>>>
>>> http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
>>>
>>> Jon
>>
>>
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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section
Posted by Michael Shuler <mi...@pbandjelly.org>.
-1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)
"During the process of developing software and preparing a release,
various packages are made available to the developer community for
testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that
might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds,
snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only
people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people
following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the
conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public
are downloading such test packages, then remove them."
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what
Michael
On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
> I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us feedback around it.
>
> Dinesh
>
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad <jo...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
>>
>> I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
>> Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older supported
>> releases" section in the downloads page? I'd make it clear that this is
>> alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
>>
>> http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
>>
>> Jon
>
>
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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section
Posted by Dinesh Joshi <dj...@apache.org>.
I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us feedback around it.
Dinesh
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad <jo...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
>
> I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
> Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older supported
> releases" section in the downloads page? I'd make it clear that this is
> alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
>
> http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
>
> Jon
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