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Posted to ftpserver-users@mina.apache.org by Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com> on 2009/03/02 18:55:12 UTC
Re: [32.4% spam] Re: Location of configuration file in embedded mode
Thanks for the response. But now, I'm really confused. I wasn't
planning on having to write java code just to be able to use this server
out of the box for my server needs. I want to replace IIS on my host
machine for all of my clients and use the Apache FTP server for all FTP
needs. I don't have off the wall requirements. Just a bunch of users
that need to get to their domain directories (while I and other admins
can FTP to any of the domain directories, etc.
I thought I could download the server, install it, create a
configuration XML file or preferably a database and be up and running.
Now you're telling me that if I want virtual directories, I've got to
write Java code?
I'm a veteran java programmer. But I have no knowledge of Spring or
what it is (other than what I read, briefly). And if I'm writing code,
that means I have to create classes... subclasses of what? Do I write
my own main? How do I register my code.
But I'm diverging. I didn't make time on my schedule to write an FTP
server or any part of one.
Even in your code, you didn't answer my fundamental question..... can I
have one user read/write certain directories on the server (random
directories, not all neatly nested under 'My Documents" or "MyRoot"),
and have another user read/write a different set of directories
(possibly with overlap to the directories of the first user?
In your code, you simply said, "load the config file" which I guess
implies that somewhere all of that info I was describing is defined in
the config file. But I still have no clue. The database schema doesn't
seem to have any tables or fields that support that.
I think you need an end-to-end real-life installation/configuration
example of using this server in a medium-large scale environment (other
than single user, etc). I know it's new. And if you tell me it's just
not ready for prime time yet, so be it. I'll be disappointed. But I'll
wait.
But please tell me I don't have to learn a new Java framework and write
a java library in order to use this server for the basic IIS-equivalent
function. That's definitely not the model for any other server at Apache.
Thanks again.
Jerry
Niklas Gustavsson wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Edward Scanzano <es...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Where do I put the configuration file if I am in 100% embedded mode?
>>
>> How do I tell the ServerFactory (presume) where the configuration file is located?
>>
>
> Either you can use the FtpServer API directly, in which case you do
> not use any configuration file. Or, you can use Spring to load the
> configuration file for you, if so, it would look something like:
>
> BeanFactory factory = new XmlBeanFactory(new
> FileSystemResource("yourconfigfile.xml"));
> FtpServer server = (FtpServer) factory.getBean("TheIdOfYourServer");
>
> /niklas
>
>
Re: [32.4% spam] Re: Location of configuration file in embedded mode
Posted by David Latorre <dv...@gmail.com>.
can I
> have one user read/write certain directories on the server (random
> directories, not all neatly nested under 'My Documents" or "MyRoot"), and
> have another user read/write a different set of directories (possibly with
> overlap to the directories of the first user?
So if I understand correctly you want to have access to e,g, c:\software ,
c:\stuff\movies,
with a user and access only to c:\work , c:\stuff\movies\action with
another. Did I understand correctly? Unless I'm missing something you can't
do this now - only if you use Unix symlinks or probably Windows junction
points.
Sure there's room for improvement in this area but luckily enough you don't
need any knowledge of Spring whatsoever to contribute in this area. This
said, I'm planning on working on this when I find the time- unfortunately
i've been really busy for the last few months so my contributions have been
less than scarce.
2009/3/2 Niklas Gustavsson <ni...@protocol7.com>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for the response. But now, I'm really confused. I wasn't
> planning
> > on having to write java code just to be able to use this server out of
> the
> > box for my server needs. I want to replace IIS on my host machine for
> all
> > of my clients and use the Apache FTP server for all FTP needs. I don't
> have
> > off the wall requirements. Just a bunch of users that need to get to
> their
> > domain directories (while I and other admins can FTP to any of the domain
> > directories, etc.
> >
> > I thought I could download the server, install it, create a configuration
> > XML file or preferably a database and be up and running.
>
> Right, you can. What misled me was your use of "embedded", something
> we normally call it when you embed FtpServer into your Java
> application rather than running it standalone. For running it
> standalone, which seems to be what you want, here's the basic tutorial
> to get you started:
>
> http://mina.apache.org/ftpserver/running-ftpserver-stand-alone-in-5-minutes.html
>
> After that, most of what you might want to do is described in the
> documentation for the configuration.
> http://mina.apache.org/ftpserver/documentation.html
>
> > Now you're telling me that if I want virtual directories, I've got to
> write
> > Java code?
> >
> > I'm a veteran java programmer. But I have no knowledge of Spring or what
> it
> > is (other than what I read, briefly). And if I'm writing code, that
> means I
> > have to create classes... subclasses of what? Do I write my own main?
> How
> > do I register my code.
> >
> > But I'm diverging. I didn't make time on my schedule to write an FTP
> server
> > or any part of one.
>
> No, you do not need to write any classes if you want to run FtpServer
> out of the box. Of course, we do offer some APIs for extending
> FtpServer if you find it doesn't fulfill you needs.
>
> > Even in your code, you didn't answer my fundamental question..... can I
> > have one user read/write certain directories on the server (random
> > directories, not all neatly nested under 'My Documents" or "MyRoot"), and
> > have another user read/write a different set of directories (possibly
> with
> > overlap to the directories of the first user?
>
> Now, you didn't ask that fundamental question so I didn't know to
> reply to it :-) Anyways, the answer is yes.
>
> > In your code, you simply said, "load the config file" which I guess
> implies
> > that somewhere all of that info I was describing is defined in the config
> > file. But I still have no clue. The database schema doesn't seem to
> have
> > any tables or fields that support that.
>
> The configuration file is an XML file, you can find several examples
> in the release download as well as documentation on our site.
>
> > I think you need an end-to-end real-life installation/configuration
> example
> > of using this server in a medium-large scale environment (other than
> single
> > user, etc). I know it's new. And if you tell me it's just not ready for
> > prime time yet, so be it. I'll be disappointed. But I'll wait.
>
> Have a look at the tutorial and our other documentation and see how
> far that gets you. Also, there are lots of people on this mailing list
> who are happy to help you out if you get stuck. And, we're always
> improving both the code and documentation so let us know if there is
> anything your missing.
>
> When you say "medium-large scale", is that number of users, concurrent
> users, complex configuration or some other parameter? I know of
> several large deployments of FtpServer with users that seems to be
> happy, but I'll let them tell you instead (if they want to of course).
>
> > But please tell me I don't have to learn a new Java framework and write a
> > java library in order to use this server for the basic IIS-equivalent
> > function. That's definitely not the model for any other server at
> Apache.
>
> Well, you don't (unless you want to embed it into a Java application
> that is) but a major pro with FtpServer compared to IIS, FileZilla or
> the many other FTP servers out there is likely our API.
>
> /niklas
>
Re: [32.4% spam] Re: Location of configuration file in embedded mode
Posted by Niklas Gustavsson <ni...@protocol7.com>.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com> wrote:
> Very disappointing, and incredibly limiting IMHO. I thought I saw the term
> "Virtual Directory support" on the feature list for this FTP server. What
> is that referring to if not this type of function?
While I did not write that myself, my interpretation is that it refers
to our file system abstraction which enables you to write a file
system for any type of backend (database, JMS, native file system and
so on). Maybe we should change the wording to make it more clear?
/niklas
Re: [32.4% spam] Re: Location of configuration file in embedded mode
Posted by Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com>.
Very disappointing, and incredibly limiting IMHO. I thought I saw the
term "Virtual Directory support" on the feature list for this FTP
server. What is that referring to if not this type of function?
Thanks.
Jerry
David Latorre wrote:
> can I
>
>> have one user read/write certain directories on the server (random
>> directories, not all neatly nested under 'My Documents" or "MyRoot"), and
>> have another user read/write a different set of directories (possibly with
>> overlap to the directories of the first user?
>>
>
> So if I understand correctly you want to have access to e,g, c:\software ,
> c:\stuff\movies,
> with a user and access only to c:\work , c:\stuff\movies\action with
> another. Did I understand correctly? Unless I'm missing something you can't
> do this now - only if you use Unix symlinks or probably Windows junction
> points.
>
> Sure there's room for improvement in this area but luckily enough you don't
> need any knowledge of Spring whatsoever to contribute in this area. This
> said, I'm planning on working on this when I find the time- unfortunately
> i've been really busy for the last few months so my contributions have been
> less than scarce.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/3/2 Niklas Gustavsson <ni...@protocol7.com>
>
>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the response. But now, I'm really confused. I wasn't
>>>
>> planning
>>
>>> on having to write java code just to be able to use this server out of
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> box for my server needs. I want to replace IIS on my host machine for
>>>
>> all
>>
>>> of my clients and use the Apache FTP server for all FTP needs. I don't
>>>
>> have
>>
>>> off the wall requirements. Just a bunch of users that need to get to
>>>
>> their
>>
>>> domain directories (while I and other admins can FTP to any of the domain
>>> directories, etc.
>>>
>>> I thought I could download the server, install it, create a configuration
>>> XML file or preferably a database and be up and running.
>>>
>> Right, you can. What misled me was your use of "embedded", something
>> we normally call it when you embed FtpServer into your Java
>> application rather than running it standalone. For running it
>> standalone, which seems to be what you want, here's the basic tutorial
>> to get you started:
>>
>> http://mina.apache.org/ftpserver/running-ftpserver-stand-alone-in-5-minutes.html
>>
>> After that, most of what you might want to do is described in the
>> documentation for the configuration.
>> http://mina.apache.org/ftpserver/documentation.html
>>
>>
>>> Now you're telling me that if I want virtual directories, I've got to
>>>
>> write
>>
>>> Java code?
>>>
>>> I'm a veteran java programmer. But I have no knowledge of Spring or what
>>>
>> it
>>
>>> is (other than what I read, briefly). And if I'm writing code, that
>>>
>> means I
>>
>>> have to create classes... subclasses of what? Do I write my own main?
>>>
>> How
>>
>>> do I register my code.
>>>
>>> But I'm diverging. I didn't make time on my schedule to write an FTP
>>>
>> server
>>
>>> or any part of one.
>>>
>> No, you do not need to write any classes if you want to run FtpServer
>> out of the box. Of course, we do offer some APIs for extending
>> FtpServer if you find it doesn't fulfill you needs.
>>
>>
>>> Even in your code, you didn't answer my fundamental question..... can I
>>> have one user read/write certain directories on the server (random
>>> directories, not all neatly nested under 'My Documents" or "MyRoot"), and
>>> have another user read/write a different set of directories (possibly
>>>
>> with
>>
>>> overlap to the directories of the first user?
>>>
>> Now, you didn't ask that fundamental question so I didn't know to
>> reply to it :-) Anyways, the answer is yes.
>>
>>
>>> In your code, you simply said, "load the config file" which I guess
>>>
>> implies
>>
>>> that somewhere all of that info I was describing is defined in the config
>>> file. But I still have no clue. The database schema doesn't seem to
>>>
>> have
>>
>>> any tables or fields that support that.
>>>
>> The configuration file is an XML file, you can find several examples
>> in the release download as well as documentation on our site.
>>
>>
>>> I think you need an end-to-end real-life installation/configuration
>>>
>> example
>>
>>> of using this server in a medium-large scale environment (other than
>>>
>> single
>>
>>> user, etc). I know it's new. And if you tell me it's just not ready for
>>> prime time yet, so be it. I'll be disappointed. But I'll wait.
>>>
>> Have a look at the tutorial and our other documentation and see how
>> far that gets you. Also, there are lots of people on this mailing list
>> who are happy to help you out if you get stuck. And, we're always
>> improving both the code and documentation so let us know if there is
>> anything your missing.
>>
>> When you say "medium-large scale", is that number of users, concurrent
>> users, complex configuration or some other parameter? I know of
>> several large deployments of FtpServer with users that seems to be
>> happy, but I'll let them tell you instead (if they want to of course).
>>
>>
>>> But please tell me I don't have to learn a new Java framework and write a
>>> java library in order to use this server for the basic IIS-equivalent
>>> function. That's definitely not the model for any other server at
>>>
>> Apache.
>>
>> Well, you don't (unless you want to embed it into a Java application
>> that is) but a major pro with FtpServer compared to IIS, FileZilla or
>> the many other FTP servers out there is likely our API.
>>
>> /niklas
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [32.4% spam] Re: Location of configuration file in embedded mode
Posted by Niklas Gustavsson <ni...@protocol7.com>.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the response. But now, I'm really confused. I wasn't planning
> on having to write java code just to be able to use this server out of the
> box for my server needs. I want to replace IIS on my host machine for all
> of my clients and use the Apache FTP server for all FTP needs. I don't have
> off the wall requirements. Just a bunch of users that need to get to their
> domain directories (while I and other admins can FTP to any of the domain
> directories, etc.
>
> I thought I could download the server, install it, create a configuration
> XML file or preferably a database and be up and running.
Right, you can. What misled me was your use of "embedded", something
we normally call it when you embed FtpServer into your Java
application rather than running it standalone. For running it
standalone, which seems to be what you want, here's the basic tutorial
to get you started:
http://mina.apache.org/ftpserver/running-ftpserver-stand-alone-in-5-minutes.html
After that, most of what you might want to do is described in the
documentation for the configuration.
http://mina.apache.org/ftpserver/documentation.html
> Now you're telling me that if I want virtual directories, I've got to write
> Java code?
>
> I'm a veteran java programmer. But I have no knowledge of Spring or what it
> is (other than what I read, briefly). And if I'm writing code, that means I
> have to create classes... subclasses of what? Do I write my own main? How
> do I register my code.
>
> But I'm diverging. I didn't make time on my schedule to write an FTP server
> or any part of one.
No, you do not need to write any classes if you want to run FtpServer
out of the box. Of course, we do offer some APIs for extending
FtpServer if you find it doesn't fulfill you needs.
> Even in your code, you didn't answer my fundamental question..... can I
> have one user read/write certain directories on the server (random
> directories, not all neatly nested under 'My Documents" or "MyRoot"), and
> have another user read/write a different set of directories (possibly with
> overlap to the directories of the first user?
Now, you didn't ask that fundamental question so I didn't know to
reply to it :-) Anyways, the answer is yes.
> In your code, you simply said, "load the config file" which I guess implies
> that somewhere all of that info I was describing is defined in the config
> file. But I still have no clue. The database schema doesn't seem to have
> any tables or fields that support that.
The configuration file is an XML file, you can find several examples
in the release download as well as documentation on our site.
> I think you need an end-to-end real-life installation/configuration example
> of using this server in a medium-large scale environment (other than single
> user, etc). I know it's new. And if you tell me it's just not ready for
> prime time yet, so be it. I'll be disappointed. But I'll wait.
Have a look at the tutorial and our other documentation and see how
far that gets you. Also, there are lots of people on this mailing list
who are happy to help you out if you get stuck. And, we're always
improving both the code and documentation so let us know if there is
anything your missing.
When you say "medium-large scale", is that number of users, concurrent
users, complex configuration or some other parameter? I know of
several large deployments of FtpServer with users that seems to be
happy, but I'll let them tell you instead (if they want to of course).
> But please tell me I don't have to learn a new Java framework and write a
> java library in order to use this server for the basic IIS-equivalent
> function. That's definitely not the model for any other server at Apache.
Well, you don't (unless you want to embed it into a Java application
that is) but a major pro with FtpServer compared to IIS, FileZilla or
the many other FTP servers out there is likely our API.
/niklas