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Posted to dev@maven.apache.org by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> on 2008/04/13 16:20:47 UTC
Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Hi,
I have contact Leif of JSW but have yet to get a response about the
license change.
Project that start using a commercially liberal license and then
switching long into the life of a project is wrong. If you want to do
the GPL/commercial thing then say so from the start. I have nothing
wrong with this model, but for libraries and tools using a
commercially liberal license is the best way to get community adoption
and then to flip the license I find a little unsavory.
Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that was
not GPL?
Thanks,
Jason
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Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by ajbanck <aj...@planet.nl>.
Hi,
What is the status of this, was a (Codehaus) project created?
Thanks,
Arent-Jan
Jason van Zyl-2 wrote:
>
> Ok, so I won't bother trying to find the exact point at which the
> license changed and take the tag for the 3.2.3.
>
> I'll just create a project at Codehaus unless someone wants to put it
> somewhere else.
>
> On 13-Apr-08, at 1:11 PM, Chris Custine wrote:
>> I have been irritated about this and thinking the same thing for the
>> past
>> week, so if a fork occurs I am willing to help maintain it and tweak
>> it.
>> Honestly there isn't too much wrong with the current 3.2.3 version
>> that I am
>> aware of, but I think we can improve on it none the less.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 13-Apr-08, at 10:34 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have contact Leif of JSW but have yet to get a response about the
>>>>> license change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Project that start using a commercially liberal license and then
>>>>> switching long into the life of a project is wrong. If you want
>>>>> to do the
>>>>> GPL/commercial thing then say so from the start. I have nothing
>>>>> wrong with
>>>>> this model, but for libraries and tools using a commercially
>>>>> liberal license
>>>>> is the best way to get community adoption and then to flip the
>>>>> license I
>>>>> find a little unsavory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that
>>>>> was
>>>>> not GPL?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree. That's pretty bad.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a lot of time but am wiling to help where I can. I
>>>> am not
>>>> familiar with building C artifacts with Maven but am dying to learn.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The NAR plugin will easily do it, so it would be interesting from a
>>> build
>>> perspective but we could continue to work on it. I'd hire a C
>>> developer to
>>> work on it before I would support a project that does the BSDish ->
>>> GPL
>>> switch-a-roo years into a project.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jason van Zyl
>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>> jason at sonatype dot com
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>
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>>> of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget
>>> the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful
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>>> signs of decline and decay.
>>>
>>> -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
>>>
>>>
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
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> Founder, Apache Maven
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RE: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by "Brian E. Fox" <br...@reply.infinity.nu>.
I would take the 3.2.3 tag as the svn base and then apply the diff up to
1383 on a branch so we have the tag and the diff to work with.
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From: chris.custine@gmail.com [mailto:chris.custine@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Custine
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:17 PM
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Subject: Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
The license change was at rev 1384 and the 3.2.3 release was at 1235 so
we
may want to also grab 1383 and review the change history in between. It
looks like there are quite a few changes in there so some of them may be
worth having.
Chris
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> Ok, so I won't bother trying to find the exact point at which the
license
> changed and take the tag for the 3.2.3.
>
> I'll just create a project at Codehaus unless someone wants to put it
> somewhere else.
>
>
> On 13-Apr-08, at 1:11 PM, Chris Custine wrote:
>
> > I have been irritated about this and thinking the same thing for the
> > past
> > week, so if a fork occurs I am willing to help maintain it and tweak
it.
> > Honestly there isn't too much wrong with the current 3.2.3 version
that
> > I am
> > aware of, but I think we can improve on it none the less.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 13-Apr-08, at 10:34 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have contact Leif of JSW but have yet to get a response
about
> > > > > the
> > > > > license change.
> > > > >
> > > > > Project that start using a commercially liberal license and
then
> > > > > switching long into the life of a project is wrong. If you
want to
> > > > > do the
> > > > > GPL/commercial thing then say so from the start. I have
nothing
> > > > > wrong with
> > > > > this model, but for libraries and tools using a commercially
> > > > > liberal license
> > > > > is the best way to get community adoption and then to flip the
> > > > > license I
> > > > > find a little unsavory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version
that
> > > > > was
> > > > > not GPL?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I agree. That's pretty bad.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have a lot of time but am wiling to help where I can. I
am
> > > > not
> > > > familiar with building C artifacts with Maven but am dying to
learn.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The NAR plugin will easily do it, so it would be interesting
from a
> > > build
> > > perspective but we could continue to work on it. I'd hire a C
> > > developer to
> > > work on it before I would support a project that does the BSDish
->
> > > GPL
> > > switch-a-roo years into a project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > > Alan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > Jason van Zyl
> > > Founder, Apache Maven
> > > jason at sonatype dot com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track
> > > of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget
> > > the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful
> > > groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a
> > > clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as
> > > signs of decline and decay.
> > >
> > > -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> jason at sonatype dot com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> the course of true love never did run smooth ...
>
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>
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Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by Chris Custine <cc...@apache.org>.
The license change was at rev 1384 and the 3.2.3 release was at 1235 so we
may want to also grab 1383 and review the change history in between. It
looks like there are quite a few changes in there so some of them may be
worth having.
Chris
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> Ok, so I won't bother trying to find the exact point at which the license
> changed and take the tag for the 3.2.3.
>
> I'll just create a project at Codehaus unless someone wants to put it
> somewhere else.
>
>
> On 13-Apr-08, at 1:11 PM, Chris Custine wrote:
>
> > I have been irritated about this and thinking the same thing for the
> > past
> > week, so if a fork occurs I am willing to help maintain it and tweak it.
> > Honestly there isn't too much wrong with the current 3.2.3 version that
> > I am
> > aware of, but I think we can improve on it none the less.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 13-Apr-08, at 10:34 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have contact Leif of JSW but have yet to get a response about
> > > > > the
> > > > > license change.
> > > > >
> > > > > Project that start using a commercially liberal license and then
> > > > > switching long into the life of a project is wrong. If you want to
> > > > > do the
> > > > > GPL/commercial thing then say so from the start. I have nothing
> > > > > wrong with
> > > > > this model, but for libraries and tools using a commercially
> > > > > liberal license
> > > > > is the best way to get community adoption and then to flip the
> > > > > license I
> > > > > find a little unsavory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that
> > > > > was
> > > > > not GPL?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I agree. That's pretty bad.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have a lot of time but am wiling to help where I can. I am
> > > > not
> > > > familiar with building C artifacts with Maven but am dying to learn.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The NAR plugin will easily do it, so it would be interesting from a
> > > build
> > > perspective but we could continue to work on it. I'd hire a C
> > > developer to
> > > work on it before I would support a project that does the BSDish ->
> > > GPL
> > > switch-a-roo years into a project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > > Alan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > Jason van Zyl
> > > Founder, Apache Maven
> > > jason at sonatype dot com
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track
> > > of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget
> > > the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful
> > > groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a
> > > clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as
> > > signs of decline and decay.
> > >
> > > -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> jason at sonatype dot com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> the course of true love never did run smooth ...
>
> -- Shakespeare
>
>
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Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
Ok, so I won't bother trying to find the exact point at which the
license changed and take the tag for the 3.2.3.
I'll just create a project at Codehaus unless someone wants to put it
somewhere else.
On 13-Apr-08, at 1:11 PM, Chris Custine wrote:
> I have been irritated about this and thinking the same thing for the
> past
> week, so if a fork occurs I am willing to help maintain it and tweak
> it.
> Honestly there isn't too much wrong with the current 3.2.3 version
> that I am
> aware of, but I think we can improve on it none the less.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 13-Apr-08, at 10:34 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have contact Leif of JSW but have yet to get a response about the
>>>> license change.
>>>>
>>>> Project that start using a commercially liberal license and then
>>>> switching long into the life of a project is wrong. If you want
>>>> to do the
>>>> GPL/commercial thing then say so from the start. I have nothing
>>>> wrong with
>>>> this model, but for libraries and tools using a commercially
>>>> liberal license
>>>> is the best way to get community adoption and then to flip the
>>>> license I
>>>> find a little unsavory.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that
>>>> was
>>>> not GPL?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. That's pretty bad.
>>>
>>> I don't have a lot of time but am wiling to help where I can. I
>>> am not
>>> familiar with building C artifacts with Maven but am dying to learn.
>>>
>>>
>> The NAR plugin will easily do it, so it would be interesting from a
>> build
>> perspective but we could continue to work on it. I'd hire a C
>> developer to
>> work on it before I would support a project that does the BSDish ->
>> GPL
>> switch-a-roo years into a project.
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> jason at sonatype dot com
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track
>> of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget
>> the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful
>> groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a
>> clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as
>> signs of decline and decay.
>>
>> -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
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>>
Thanks,
Jason
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jason at sonatype dot com
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Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by Chris Custine <cc...@apache.org>.
I have been irritated about this and thinking the same thing for the past
week, so if a fork occurs I am willing to help maintain it and tweak it.
Honestly there isn't too much wrong with the current 3.2.3 version that I am
aware of, but I think we can improve on it none the less.
Thanks,
Chris
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>
> On 13-Apr-08, at 10:34 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> >
> > On Apr 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have contact Leif of JSW but have yet to get a response about the
> > > license change.
> > >
> > > Project that start using a commercially liberal license and then
> > > switching long into the life of a project is wrong. If you want to do the
> > > GPL/commercial thing then say so from the start. I have nothing wrong with
> > > this model, but for libraries and tools using a commercially liberal license
> > > is the best way to get community adoption and then to flip the license I
> > > find a little unsavory.
> > >
> > > Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that was
> > > not GPL?
> > >
> >
> > I agree. That's pretty bad.
> >
> > I don't have a lot of time but am wiling to help where I can. I am not
> > familiar with building C artifacts with Maven but am dying to learn.
> >
> >
> The NAR plugin will easily do it, so it would be interesting from a build
> perspective but we could continue to work on it. I'd hire a C developer to
> work on it before I would support a project that does the BSDish -> GPL
> switch-a-roo years into a project.
>
>
> > Regards,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >
> >
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> jason at sonatype dot com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track
> of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget
> the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful
> groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a
> clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as
> signs of decline and decay.
>
> -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
>
>
>
>
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Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On 13-Apr-08, at 10:34 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> On Apr 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have contact Leif of JSW but have yet to get a response about the
>> license change.
>>
>> Project that start using a commercially liberal license and then
>> switching long into the life of a project is wrong. If you want to
>> do the GPL/commercial thing then say so from the start. I have
>> nothing wrong with this model, but for libraries and tools using a
>> commercially liberal license is the best way to get community
>> adoption and then to flip the license I find a little unsavory.
>>
>> Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that
>> was not GPL?
>
> I agree. That's pretty bad.
>
> I don't have a lot of time but am wiling to help where I can. I am
> not familiar with building C artifacts with Maven but am dying to
> learn.
>
The NAR plugin will easily do it, so it would be interesting from a
build perspective but we could continue to work on it. I'd hire a C
developer to work on it before I would support a project that does the
BSDish -> GPL switch-a-roo years into a project.
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Thanks,
Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Apache Maven
jason at sonatype dot com
----------------------------------------------------------
Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track
of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget
the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful
groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a
clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as
signs of decline and decay.
-- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
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Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Apr 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have contact Leif of JSW but have yet to get a response about the
> license change.
>
> Project that start using a commercially liberal license and then
> switching long into the life of a project is wrong. If you want to
> do the GPL/commercial thing then say so from the start. I have
> nothing wrong with this model, but for libraries and tools using a
> commercially liberal license is the best way to get community
> adoption and then to flip the license I find a little unsavory.
>
> Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that was
> not GPL?
I agree. That's pretty bad.
I don't have a lot of time but am wiling to help where I can. I am
not familiar with building C artifacts with Maven but am dying to learn.
Regards,
Alan
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Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by James William Dumay <ja...@atlassian.com>.
I've also had to patch it once - if there is a fork of it I may also use
or contribute.
James
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 06:02 +1000, Brett Porter wrote:
> On 14/04/2008, at 12:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> > Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that was
> > not GPL?
>
> I'm continuing to use 3.2.3. I've had to patch it once [1], but I'm
> not sure how much I'll need to work on a fork of it since that version
> has been pretty stable.
>
> So if a fork arises I may contribute and use it.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
> [1] http://svn.codehaus.org/mojo/trunk/mojo/appassembler/appassembler-maven-plugin/src/main/patches/
>
> --
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> brett@apache.org
> http://blogs.exist.com/bporter/
>
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Re: Java Service Wrappers unfortunate license change
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
On 14/04/2008, at 12:20 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Anyone interested in forking it and maintaining the version that was
> not GPL?
I'm continuing to use 3.2.3. I've had to patch it once [1], but I'm
not sure how much I'll need to work on a fork of it since that version
has been pretty stable.
So if a fork arises I may contribute and use it.
Cheers,
Brett
[1] http://svn.codehaus.org/mojo/trunk/mojo/appassembler/appassembler-maven-plugin/src/main/patches/
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